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Avatar 3D is a film where, unlike many films before it, what is really on display and can be considered the 'star' of the film is the concept of Pandora. The planet, creatures and ultimately the Na'vi themselves clearly represent the bulk of thought and budget allocations.

There is indeed a lot of well documented Cameron military technology on display here but it only features as technology to drive up against the natural defences (flora and fauna) of Pandora. The latter being far more intricate, conceptually complex and of course, entirely computer generated as opposed to part set part special effect. This does not diminish the importance or effort put into the human devices in the film merely to acknowledge that the scale of the eco-system that is depicted feels vast, intricate and real unlike many (but not all) depicted alien environments of previous films.

As a poster film for space exploration, non-exploitation of ecosystems and respect of other cultures and places the film is flawless however such well intentioned messages do not necessarily make for innovative narrative and entertaining film. Avatar does not surprise with its' story however it is competantly told and from a cinematography point of view well executed.

If every film you watch must revolutionise narrative construct then you're either very fussy about what you watch or perpetually disappointed to the point of depression.

If you are of a more level-headed ilk and take hype with a healthy dose of salt and expect to see a well told story from James Cameron, who is in this instance a master of technical execution (currently without peer) telling a solid but unremarkable story then you will see an exceptional feast for the eyes and be relayed a coherant, understandable but untaxing plot with some well rounded if slightly cliched characters.

Net result: A visual revolution driving a solid but uninspired narrative with a good cast and performances of confidently constructed characters.

Now onto the 3D - is it worth it?!

Honestly, it's a two part answer.

Early in the film there are many interior, multi-layered (fore - mid - background) shots that make the 3D really feel like you're witnessing the events on screen, that the camera is not a camera at all but rather a portal to the events you are seeing, fundamentally this is an amazing experience that makes you feel physically connected to what's on screen.

However as the film progresses I admit that wider shots of the environment often don't impress (in 3D immersion as opposed to cinematic quality) as much because there's little in the foreground to connect you to the scene. Additionally when the action heats up and cuts become faster and more involved there's less time for the 3D effects to take hold and unless something on the screen comes really close to the camera you don't feel as involved or much like you're witnessing an event, more that you are in fact watching a film.

So on the one hand there are amazing scenes that work from an immersive point of view, on the other hand none of them are the scenes you'd probably like to feel most connected to.

I suspect however that as with films themselves 3D is probably more of a personal choice at the moment rather than an overalapping format that's vying for removal of standard 2D. I found 3D enjoyable and noticable in a majority of shots and this definitely increased my immersion in a number of scenes. If you don't want to, can't or just feel reticent to stump extra money for the ticket I have little doubt that the 2D version of the film is equally enjoyable.

Caveat - I have yet to see the film in 2D so I don't know whether or not I will feel a distinct lack of the 3D but when I do see it (yes I'm going back for more) I'll update this section of the review to tell you if retrospectively 3D added enough to justify the expense.
 

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And here I thought this was gonna be the world's first 3-dimensional review. *mope*
 

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I saw it in 3D. Saw that is no more as a gimmick. A nice gimmick, but not what made me think it was the best movie ever! Just in okay ho hum movie.
 

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Casual Shinji - It was, I worked really hard to make the text fly at you, was I too subtle?!

Kuchinawa212 - Yeah I agree, 3D is not refined enough to be a new universal format more of a feature you can do with or without dependent on what you want. It's like the sauce of the fast food industry, what's important is the meal but if you want a nice garnish, it's there just waiting to be used.
 

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I saw Avatar in 2D because the theater I went to has times about as convenient as having a spear through your eye. But I don't think it would have been much different in 3D.

I liked the performances and the characters and the action scenes were a lot better then the atrocious action/lets-edit-this-as-fast-as-possible scenes in Ninja Assassin. I liked the whole concept of Pandora and the environments were well but together.

It was epic but certainly not shit your pants then rip your face off epic. It was good. Better then the last few movies I've seen on the silver screen. From the director of the Titanic, it was all I expected.
 

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Furburt said:
DeMoNxDaVe said:
I saw Avatar in 2D because the theater I went to has times about as convenient as having a spear through your eye. But I don't think it would have been much different in 3D.
It is, believe me. It makes the film.

OP: I saw both, and the 3D version is the best. Sucks you in completely.
Oh cool. Now I have to murder whoever came up with the times.

Also, I FUCKING LOVE your picture. Evil Dead movies ftw.
 

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It was a great retelling of a classic story with a director that actually knows that special effects and story are not interchangeable. The design was brilliant, the story (though admittedly not the most original) was well-structured along with its characters, and the messages it proclaimed were not too in-your-face. I loved it, personally.

My only complaint is the name of the rare macguffin mineral the humans were hunting. Seriously? Unobtainium? Wow.
 

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Furburt said:
DeMoNxDaVe said:
Also, I FUCKING LOVE your picture. Evil Dead movies ftw.
"WHO'S LAUGHING NOW!?! AAAAARRRGH!!"

Or

Thank you.
Best line ever: "yo she-*****. Let's go."

Well one of them.

Ursus Astrorum said:
My only complaint is the name of the rare macguffin mineral the humans were hunting. Seriously? Unobtainium? Wow.
Yeah that had me cracking up. seriousness, seriousness, unobtainium, tries more seriousness, drowned by audiences laughter, guy in front "WHAT?! WHAT'S SO FUNNY!? HE JUST SAID UNOBTAINIUM!", more laughter.
 

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It was ok. Way too preachy, very few original concepts or ideas, ok acting. It looked very good though, so I'm gonna give it a solid B-
 

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I'll give this movie a B+ just for the sheer creativity in the world Cameron created. Pandora was the best character in the film. Everything else, and I mean everything else is completely forgettable. What sticks with me is the beautiful wilderness that made up Pandora, and how fascinated I was just looking at a forest time and time again.
 

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MetallicaRulez0 said:
I'll give this movie a B+ just for the sheer creativity in the world Cameron created. Pandora was the best character in the film. Everything else, and I mean everything else is completely forgettable. What sticks with me is the beautiful wilderness that made up Pandora, and how fascinated I was just looking at a forest time and time again.
That was pretty much the only redeeming quality of this movie. The story was eye scratchingly slow, it would have been a whole lot better if he had cut 45 min from the it or just spent more time exploring the creatures and world of pandora.
 

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Furburt said:
DeMoNxDaVe said:
I saw Avatar in 2D because the theater I went to has times about as convenient as having a spear through your eye. But I don't think it would have been much different in 3D.
It is, believe me. It makes the film.

OP: I saw both, and the 3D version is the best. Sucks you in completely.
Really? For me, 3D movies don't work. Although, other movies seem any different from actual life in terms of, I don't know, 3Dness? Maybe I'm just messed up.

Anyway, do you have to wear those cardboard goggles? I remember seeing spykids 3d, and when I didin't wear the goggles the colors were all screwed up.
 

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dimensione510 said:
Furburt said:
DeMoNxDaVe said:
I saw Avatar in 2D because the theater I went to has times about as convenient as having a spear through your eye. But I don't think it would have been much different in 3D.
It is, believe me. It makes the film.

OP: I saw both, and the 3D version is the best. Sucks you in completely.
Really? For me, 3D movies don't work. Although, other movies seem any different from actual life in terms of, I don't know, 3Dness? Maybe I'm just messed up.

Anyway, do you have to wear those cardboard goggles? I remember seeing spykids 3d, and when I didin't wear the goggles the colors were all screwed up.
You have to wear 3D polarised glasses, which are essentially just like normal glasses, albeit oversized ones that make you look like someone from Weezer.

Anyway, well worth seeing in 3D, on an Imax if possible, or at least on the biggest screen you can find. The 3D effect, coupled with James Cameron's borderline psychopathic need for attention to detail about every grain of sand shown on screen helps create a truly revolutionary effect. You're conning yourself of an experience by seeing it in 2D.
 

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GuerrillaClock said:
dimensione510 said:
Furburt said:
DeMoNxDaVe said:
I saw Avatar in 2D because the theater I went to has times about as convenient as having a spear through your eye. But I don't think it would have been much different in 3D.
It is, believe me. It makes the film.

OP: I saw both, and the 3D version is the best. Sucks you in completely.
Really? For me, 3D movies don't work. Although, other movies seem any different from actual life in terms of, I don't know, 3Dness? Maybe I'm just messed up.

Anyway, do you have to wear those cardboard goggles? I remember seeing spykids 3d, and when I didin't wear the goggles the colors were all screwed up.
You have to wear 3D polarised glasses, which are essentially just like normal glasses, albeit oversized ones that make you look like someone from Weezer.

Anyway, well worth seeing in 3D, on an Imax if possible, or at least on the biggest screen you can find. The 3D effect, coupled with James Cameron's borderline psychopathic need for attention to detail about every grain of sand shown on screen helps create a truly revolutionary effect. You're conning yourself of an experience by seeing it in 2D.

Yeah, but 3D has utterly no effect for me. I couldn't tell a 3D movie from a normal one even if I had glasses. Neither of them look any different from reality, so I don't get the appeal.
 

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dimensione510 said:
Yeah, but 3D has utterly no effect for me. I couldn't tell a 3D movie from a normal one even if I had glasses. Neither of them look any different from reality, so I don't get the appeal.
Hmm, not sure what the problem is then. Unless it's in Imax 3D, 3D in most films isn't really consciously noticable, in that it's never flying out of the screen at you. In Avatar, it's used to add a real depth and richness to already stunning cinematography, and put you 'in' the film, rather than bring the film out to you.

I have to say I prefer the more muted uses of 3D to just abusing it by having stuff pointlessly flung out of the screen at you, but that's just me. If you don't like 3D at all, then Avatar might just be the film to win you over. I would certainly highly recommend seeing it in 3D.
 

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Furburt said:
dimensione510 said:
Anyway, do you have to wear those cardboard goggles? I remember seeing spykids 3d, and when I didin't wear the goggles the colors were all screwed up.
The new ones are Real 3d, and they work much better.

This is from someone with a bolloxed left eye, so those old ones never worked for me at all.

These ones are fucking great. You stop noticing it after about 20 minutes, but it improves the experience overall.
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