Avatar is not the only story thats been retold
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You clearly haven't read my epic novel spanning the cheese covered armadillo aristocrat life in the wars of a slightly soiled but still usable linens. It also covers life after the war from the perspective of his trusty sidekick, the bug invested magically alive laundry.Archangel357 said:
Still whether something is orignal or not shouldn't detract from whether it's good or not. Unless of course it's idiotically similar, plagerism terrority.
Don't be stupid, that's just every Lee Child book ever written.Demon ID said:
But yeah, originality doesn't neccesarily make something good, generally the best things are not original ideas but ones that have been built on from previous ones.
"If I have seen further it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants."
gonna have to agree on this one...TheComedown said:
and very much this one. I don't hate anything because its "edgy and cool." I hate it because its a big pile of crap or a huge disappointment, or something along those lineskingcom said:
Bollocks, i was hoping you wouldn't notice that. I also think your quote is very true with this subject. Now onward to write my new novel, one which will be in fact original. I'm thinking secret lusts of a stereo sound system which has traveled through time.Superior Mind said:
Well when my mate told me what his lecture had said, I tried to disprove him and failed. Either way, there are not many variations of basic story lines and so it's unsurprising that Avatar has the same story as Dances With Wolves.Queen Michael said:
If you are going down that route, I don't know why people don't just say that there is one basic story: "personQueen Michael said:
"Bad artists copy, good artists steal" - Pablo Picasso. I found Avatar more enjoyable than either Pocahontas or Dances with Wolves, so I can't really begrudge it for being based on them.
Yea Avitars story has been done before, but that wasn't my beef with it, I hated it because the plot was crap and nothing beats a damn assault mech.bat_trapper said:
OT: All of them have been done before, everything rips of something else, but if the plot is good and the characters are likable it makes the movie worth seeing.
Yeah tons of unoriginal movies come out each year. Avatar at least somewhat tried to stay original, I have to give it credit for that. But, they story did greatly resemble that of Pocahontas and other elements (marine-like guys in space fighting aliens) have been done before.
Actually the reason a lot of people don't like Avatar is because it's an over-hyped mediocre story that got attention because of flashy, gimmicky effects.
Every story has been retold, it's just whether the retelling is good is what matters. Also as for your Robin Hood comparison, Robin Hood is the same story same characters, it admits it's been done before, the reason people hated Avatar for 'not being original' (I agree it's a lame argument, btw) is because it was the same story retold with new characters, which some could see as 'stealing.'
Every story has been retold, it's just whether the retelling is good is what matters. Also as for your Robin Hood comparison, Robin Hood is the same story same characters, it admits it's been done before, the reason people hated Avatar for 'not being original' (I agree it's a lame argument, btw) is because it was the same story retold with new characters, which some could see as 'stealing.'
Cities are built on the bones of older civilisations...
Uh, that is to say, the accepted "Classic" story is merely a retelling of an even older one. I believe the first stories- all of them- came from the very first being to achieve sapience. This person must have been BORED.
Uh, that is to say, the accepted "Classic" story is merely a retelling of an even older one. I believe the first stories- all of them- came from the very first being to achieve sapience. This person must have been BORED.
There are no original stories, only the ones who try to look original, and the ones whom make no bones about it.
It'd be rather hard for anyone making a Robin Hood movie to try to argue that it's anything but based on something that came before it.
Unfortunately for Avatar? Where do I start? No, I don't mind that it's a rip off, its just how much of it is so blatant. It's one thing to lovingly rip off something else or literally have it be a re-telling. It's a whole different can of worms when it feels like the movie's going through IP's like a cheap whore in France. The icing on the cake? They spent nine years on this movie. The dialogue is bad. The acting is bad- really the only good jobs where the roles that were one dimensional. 3/4ths of your acting job is done before you've even opened your mouth when you're a tall, cut old man with a scar running down his face decked in military fatigues. The special effects are not plausible (floating mountains) or mildly yawn inducing (IE; big fuckin' explosions- didn't need a sci fi movie just to do that.)
So in other words it's just pretty to look at. You may as well run music and put it on mute because you're not missing much. All that and they spent nine years making it.
It'd be rather hard for anyone making a Robin Hood movie to try to argue that it's anything but based on something that came before it.
Unfortunately for Avatar? Where do I start? No, I don't mind that it's a rip off, its just how much of it is so blatant. It's one thing to lovingly rip off something else or literally have it be a re-telling. It's a whole different can of worms when it feels like the movie's going through IP's like a cheap whore in France. The icing on the cake? They spent nine years on this movie. The dialogue is bad. The acting is bad- really the only good jobs where the roles that were one dimensional. 3/4ths of your acting job is done before you've even opened your mouth when you're a tall, cut old man with a scar running down his face decked in military fatigues. The special effects are not plausible (floating mountains) or mildly yawn inducing (IE; big fuckin' explosions- didn't need a sci fi movie just to do that.)
So in other words it's just pretty to look at. You may as well run music and put it on mute because you're not missing much. All that and they spent nine years making it.
Yes, the tale of taking a ring back to the place it was made in order to destroy it after reforging the ancestral sword is only loosely based.Jennacide said:
(I'm not saying this is a bad thing by any stretch. It's a great story, no matter what way it's told.)