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PrinceOfShapeir

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Pappytech, given that we don't even have personal firearms a personal railgun is a bit of a stretch. Given the immense size and weight of it though, I'll allow it. That said it's a little bit overpowered as it is, essentially a Sniper Bazooka. You're also going to need to figure out a way this guy can remain underground, it wouldn't be hard for the Republic to find a giant carrying a gun bigger than he is.
 

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I'm still pretty iffy on ripping entire buildings down. If it takes any serious amount of time at all between Dirk attacking and Daria ripping the Republic is going to send in its own forces, including their own Metalbenders.
The initial infiltration isn't a real head-on assault most of the time. It's more of Dirk slipping in and giving Daria a path. She bursts in, and rips the metal out of the lower levels, leaving the whole thing without a support base. It's an effort to move the metal, but it's not time consuming. It's like jenga, you take out one right piece and it all falls down.
 

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PrinceOfShapeir said:
You're also going to need to figure out a way this guy can remain underground, it wouldn't be hard for the Republic to find a giant carrying a gun bigger than he is.
Well, judging by how you've described the Resistance in your response to Captainguy, it sounds like they'd have a whole lot of safe houses/hideouts/secret bases scattered around town, maybe with some secret sewer tunnels connecting a few of them. I don't think it's too far-fetched to have Mac bounce around from safe house to safe house, based on what part of the city he happens to be operating out of at the time.

He's also pretty good at just sneaking around, if that helps.
 

PrinceOfShapeir

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How can he be good at sneaking around? He's like 500 pounds with that gun of his and he's like 30% metal. Think about it, Pappytech, do you really think everyone who sees this guy is going to be all 'Viva la Resistance' when the Secret Police come through asking if they saw anything suspicious? If the people know anything eventually someone will point at the huge cyborg with the giant gun who ran into the Jasmine Dragon chain store on the corner and vanished.
 

Pappytech

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You know, the one thing that really irks me about stealth games is that they all focus on the exact same components of sneakiness. Lurking in the shadows, snapping an isolated guard's neck, shooting out light-bulbs with your silenced pistol/crossbow.

Sure, that kind of stealth is fun and cinematic, but it means that simple stuff like blending in get ignored in favor of the more "interesting" approaches.

Anyway, Mac's brand of stealth does not involve jumping from ledge to ledge and using a grappling hook to get everywhere, no. He does his fair share of skulking through alleyways, sure, but that's about it.

No, he relies far more on three rather simple principles: patience, planning, and being a generally nice guy.

Considering the absolute range he commands, it's rare that Mac would ever be particularly close to a target. By the time police are actually able to determine where the shot came from, odds are he's already high and away. And on the rare occasion that he's forced to be within such a distance, he'll have already mapped out the least-populated streets, tunnels, and fire escapes in order to best facilitate his getaway.

But anyway, about that tea shop example you mapped out. Here's how Mac would handle something like that:

19:00. He walks into the Jasmine Dragon, sits down, and orders a cup of tea.
19:15. Having finished his cup of tea, he walks back to the counter, and orders a second. On his way back to his table, he tosses a few coins to the musician sitting in the corner, requesting an old Earth Kingdom song.
19:45. Having just finished his fourth cup of tea, he picks up his admittedly large backpack, pays the bill, bows to and thanks the owner, and leaves the store.
19:47. Earth shattering kaboom.
19:50. He reenters the shop, muttering about weird noises, and orders two cups of tea: one for himself, and one for the homeless guy he just found who desperately needs something to warm him up.

So yeah, less of the sneaky assassin thing, more of the just being generally nice, inconspicuous, and careful.

Also, I feel inclined to mention that this is the Avatar universe. There is no way in hell Mac's the only 7 foot cyborg walking around.
 

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So I have to be THAT GUY and ask, are laser swords allowed? Because if I can be an airbending Jedi then this has just gotten a lot more interesting.
 

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Name: Klon Stone

Age: 19

Gender: Male

Appearance: At 1'6 Meters, Klon is not a very tall person, his short black hair and white skin clearly indicating his fire nation heritage. His right arm is a cybernetic replacement, and a fairly small version at that. He wears mostly black clothing with red highlights, which still is a popular fashion from those of the former Fire Nation. On missions, he also wears a bit of face paint, as traditional to his family.

Personality: A rather fun loving guy, Klons tends to like to crack jokes and tries to be helpful in attempt to make friends. Sometimes his jokes and jabs are funny and clever, other times it falls on it's face. Still, he either lighten up the grim world he lives in, try to keep a smile on his face and the faces of those around him.

Under the surface, things are not quite what they appear.Do to his upbringing, Klon didn't gather many real social skills nor had many people to actually learn it from. Klon longs for friendship, but tends to attach himself to a group and allow himself to be walked all over. Him joining the resistance (OOC: we are all part of the resistance, right?) is not much of an exception. Klon is very good at hiding his depression, though.

Skills: Unlike most non-benders, particularly of those who are from the Fire Lands, Klon is ranged fighter. Coming from a long line of bowmen, often rumored (although never confirmed) to be the same ones that once bested Avatar Aang. While alone, he cannot preform the famous acts such as the net shot, nor can Klon hit a coin from a person hand, he is still a fairly good shot, able to usually get an arrow on center mass of a person at around 70 meters, and can put enough strength behind the bow to pierce a cybered limb at 30.

His close range abilities leave a lot to be desired. He never trained anything above some basic sparring, his father concentrating on teaching Klon archery above all else. He tends to rely on waving around his shock collar/knife, hoping to get a hit on a person or to run away. Unarmed, he can throw a nasty punch from his cybered arm, but can be easily beaten by those trained in any of the martial arts. Klon does have some good climbing and some tracking skills from hunting as a child, and fairly good at taking out an enemy before they know he is there, but he is no where near the level of the Blue Spirits.

Gear: Above all else, Klon has his trusty compound bow. It is a little under a meter long, has a fiber optic sight on it and a VERY heavy draw weight, about 150 pounds, which would be impossible to draw for even a well trained bowman. His cybered limb, while not strong enough to bench press a car or punch through a car hood, is strong enough to managed the bow he has. The arrows are carbon fiber, fairly strong, common among other bowmen/crossbowmen, and reusable if Klon can safely retrieve them.

Klon has a few other weapons as well. He has a much smaller, foldable bow, which is not nearly as powerful but much more concealable when the situation demands it. Melee is down to a simple combat knife and a shock stick.

History: Klon was a sole son to the Roc bowyer family, both famous for their great archery talents and fine bows. Klon was raised in the village the family had lived in for centuries, learning how to shoot and make bows and arrows. Klon never went to more school than was mandated as law, leaving his last class at 16 to further his family's craft.

Industrialization brought (and forced) many innovations from the once staganent craft of archery. With the rise of artillery, demands for personal ranged weapons that could even be used by a non bender kept growing. The Roc family kept to there bows, even as other families switched to crossbows and the chu ko nu (repeating crossbows), which required far less time to train with and were better at piercing modern armor. The invention of cybernetic limbs was the innovation the Roc family needed, or so Klon's father thought. Against the protests of both his mother and Klon himself, Klon was forced to undergo limb replacement surgery on his draw arm. It sort of worked, convincing some to add the bows to special units, although no one was really willing to cut off the limbs of common soldiers (both for moral and cost reasons).

Representatives from the Republic, however, were not to keen on letting many weapon creators exist outside of Republic city, and went to arrest the Roc family. When Klon's father resisted, he was burned to a crisp. Klon grabbed his father's best bow, a knife, and some arrows, and just ran, never learning what the fate of his mother. He got on some boats, hoping to hide from the Republic's law, but ended up in Republic city mostly by accident. Now he drifts about, doing odd jobs, and working with the resistance.
 

PrinceOfShapeir

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No, Laser Swords are not allowed. There are a bevy of weapons you can choose from, but not lightsabers.

Pappytech, how do you shove a weapon that is literally taller than your guy is into a backpack? There is no way that a weapon as sophisticated as a railgun can just be broken into its components and carried around in a suitcase, especially when you clearly state it's a repurposed artillery weapon. I'm not budging on this, Pappytech, find a way to change it.
 

Pappytech

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So... That's a yes to AI, cybernetic implants/prosthetics, and space travel, but a no to the snazzy Mass Effect weapon storage technology? Awwwwwwww... :(

But in all seriousness, how many weapons can you name that CAN'T be broken down into smaller parts or components? Even if it's just for maintenance or repair, all modern weaponry needs to be able to be broken down into its individual pieces, and Iskander is no exception. Granted, its chamber is still huge, but the vast majority of the weapon's size comes from its barrel. Which, again, is detachable and collapsible. I'm not saying it can be shoved inside a briefcase, but a giant backpack is another thing entirely.

Also, I NEVER said anything about Iskander being a repurposed artillery weapon. I made the comparison between Mac and a one-man artillery unit, true, but that's it. And even if it was just an artillery weapon, I'm still fairly certain they can be broken down into smaller bits.
 

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CJ1145 said:
The initial infiltration isn't a real head-on assault most of the time. It's more of Dirk slipping in and giving Daria a path. She bursts in, and rips the metal out of the lower levels, leaving the whole thing without a support base. It's an effort to move the metal, but it's not time consuming. It's like jenga, you take out one right piece and it all falls down.
You stopped responding after this one, Prince. Just curious if that means you're OK with what I said to justify the sheets, or if there are any things remaining.
 

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I've had enough of this, Pappytech. I'm not arguing anymore. Character denied.

CJ, you cannot rip an entire building down with one metalbender in less than five minutes. Period.
 

Pappytech

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Alright, fair enough. You're the GM, after all.

Sorry we couldn't come to an agreement; I was kind of growing attached to the character. I'll go ahead and remove the sheet.
 

CJ1145

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Prince, it's basic physics. It's not hard for a Metalbender, particularly one with years of experience doing exactly this, to tear out most of the metal on the ground level, and maybe the one above, of a building. Buildings require a very precise framework, when they get that big, to remain balanced and stable. Remove even that bit of the structure, or if you want to get picky the concrete and such too--metalbenders are earthbenders as well, after all--at a point as vital as the base of the skyscraper, it's going down. Gravity and its own narrowness combined with its height work against it.

And it's not like they'd make a clean getaway every single time. But if we're canonically unable to take the forces of the Republic in a fight long enough to make our escape, what is even the point of this RP? By the time any forces do arrive, enough damage would have been done, especially if focused on a single side or two of the building, to start toppling the thing. By then, it would be FAR harder to prop it back up. We've stopped talking the work of one metalbender, and gotten into hundreds. A situation like that, with a building all but horizontal, only held up by the efforts of the Republic's concentrated effort, would still get across the message of "The Republic is not safe" that the twins want to get across.
 

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I just said no. Characters are denied.

When I say flat 'No' to something, it is not an invitation to continue arguing.
 

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PrinceOfShapeir said:
I've had enough of this, Pappytech. I'm not arguing anymore. Character denied.

CJ, you cannot rip an entire building down with one metalbender in less than five minutes. Period.
Don't see a specific denial of the sheet, but whatever. Understood, brochacho, physics need not apply. And let me just say, as a man with extensive Pathfinder DMing experience, rebuffing players' attempts to defend their actions to preserve your own carefully-constructed control? Great way to run a game. You'll encounter no problems or disgruntled group members, ever.
 

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PrinceOfShapeir said:
No, Laser Swords are not allowed. There are a bevy of weapons you can choose from, but not lightsabers.
Aww, well then I guess I will take the idea elsewhere. Good luck with the rp then.
 

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PrinceOfShapeir said:
I've had enough of this, Pappytech. I'm not arguing anymore. Character denied.

CJ, you cannot rip an entire building down with one metalbender in less than five minutes. Period.
Don't see a specific denial of the sheet, but whatever. Understood, brochacho, physics need not apply. And let me just say, as a man with extensive Pathfinder DMing experience, rebuffing players' attempts to defend their actions to preserve your own carefully-constructed control? Great way to run a game. You'll encounter no problems or disgruntled group members, ever.
Yeah, I listened and I denied it. Also, I'm not denying physics, because holy shit Physics + Avatar -don't really mix well-, not when you're dealing with Bending. I wasn't specifically denying the sheet -then-, I was denying the ability to rip down buildings with casual ease. -Now- I'm denying the sheets because you refused to take no for an answer. Good day, sir.
 

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Physics and Avatar don't mix? Well that makes it even less sensible to deny the power. And seeing as how Toph could knock a building's wall down with minimal effort, knocking a building down doesn't seem implusible by any level of suspension of disbelief. It's not like that's going to be his end all move for everything.

Also, going by your responses on this thing, I'm seeing a major problem. You can't mix Avatar with a world that has inconsistant advancement. There's no reason why you cant have a railgun if there are people walking around with cybernetics. And the reason for why regular guns don't exist is weak because non-benders would have been behind ways to kill benders. Including firearms.

Basically, this world makes no sense, and all the rules you've been making up as to why certain things fit while others don't are arbitrary. My advice, you may want to do some major reformatting if you want this to work.

That's all for me. I'll be withdrawing the sheet now. Later.
 

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CJ1145 said:
Prince, it's basic physics. It's not hard for a Metalbender, particularly one with years of experience doing exactly this, to tear out most of the metal on the ground level, and maybe the one above, of a building. Buildings require a very precise framework, when they get that big, to remain balanced and stable. Remove even that bit of the structure, or if you want to get picky the concrete and such too--metalbenders are earthbenders as well, after all--at a point as vital as the base of the skyscraper, it's going down. Gravity and its own narrowness combined with its height work against it.

And it's not like they'd make a clean getaway every single time. But if we're canonically unable to take the forces of the Republic in a fight long enough to make our escape, what is even the point of this RP? By the time any forces do arrive, enough damage would have been done, especially if focused on a single side or two of the building, to start toppling the thing. By then, it would be FAR harder to prop it back up. We've stopped talking the work of one metalbender, and gotten into hundreds. A situation like that, with a building all but horizontal, only held up by the efforts of the Republic's concentrated effort, would still get across the message of "The Republic is not safe" that the twins want to get across.
CJ, your assuming that more than 200 years in the future they wouldn't have better building materials and techniques. Think about us. Early 19th century you couldn't build more than 5 stories without being worried about earthquakes, wind speed, and dynamic weight. 200 years later? We have the materials and know-how to build 1000 foot structures in our sleep that can withstand constant-gale force winds. Most modern Skyscrapers can take a van packed with explosives to their lobbies and stay standing.

Now, assuming your concerns weren't bombs, but more often Earth-benders ripping chunks out of the wall, and metal benders wrecking supports. You would design a set of techniques and materials that would resist them, and use those for your supports. Girder's too pure to bend, composite concrete made from artificial materials that won't earth-bend and so on. Or wood. You know they could just use that stuff.

Also I will be getting a sheet up later.