Avatar rant, sorry just need to get it out the system, been annoying me for weeks!

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sms_117b

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OK first off I thought the film was average, not bad, not brilliant, it was par, a cool crisp spring morning, the film had stunning visuals, excellent motion capture, good story and as good as can be expected acting. I was bored and could never get into it for little bits and pieces I coudn't overlook in my OCD ways, besides, I found it quite boring.

However, these points:

> Unobtainium, good use of a original name, at least call it something, that just annoyed me.
> Why the hell was it worth $20,000 a gram? That's almost as much as experimental cancer and aids/HIV pharmaceuticals! What does this material do that makes it so freaking valuable?
> Why did the guy digging it up refer to it as $20M per Kg? In his field he'd know to refer to it in grams.
> There are regulations to stop companies moving indigenous species off their homeland/territory, so activist groups and laws would stop the company doing what they are doing. Yes Pandora is another planet but, the laws protecting indigenous species would easily carry over to another planet with the amount of publication Pandora and other planets would get, especially because countries would apply pressure not to wipe out life from another planet.
> But I hear you say that "Earth isn't green anymore" Well, then why aren't governments using ambassadors to negotiate for resources, as what's left of them would in a global crisis.
> Why would he want to dig up something that valuable, having a massive source that's untouchable would ensure the resource doesn't run out and anyway, they would want to restrict the flow of the material to keep it's price high.
> Why did a former Marine send cavalry in a frontal assault on mechs and machine guns? Military tactics 101 come on
> Finally, new planet, new intelligent lifeforms, Earth would rejoice, governments would ALL attempt to save face and enter negotiations with them before the metal was even found, so they should know of holy places and that mining corp would have just been closed down by Earth.

I allowed myself to be drawn in to the whole, planet is alive thing, and mother nature pwns technology, but it still couldn't stop my brain nit picking the film away.

/rant, thank you escapistmag.com, I feel so much better, if you've read to here, wow, thanks I most likely have covered the same thing a few times, if you're still here, point out if I missed anything, I was picking at it with parts of my University course.
 

sms_117b

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Casual Shinji said:
Maybe you should get a punching bag.
I have thought about it, there is one that I almost broke down at my gym :/

PayJ567 said:
I personally did not watch the film, James Cameron does not need any more of my money. The day I pay like 8 pounds for a 3D when I used to get it for free with the old news papers as a kid. I'm sorry thats a shit point but still I will not watch this film.
I didn't even get started on the 3D, specs aren't one lens red and one green/blue, they're both gray and I've no idea how it works still, but the film was meant to be the defining 3D film, and, to be honest, I barley noticed any 3D except in conversations, I feel cheated!
 

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sms_117b said:
Casual Shinji said:
Maybe you should get a punching bag.
I have thought about it, there is one that I almost broke down at my gym :/

PayJ567 said:
I personally did not watch the film, James Cameron does not need any more of my money. The day I pay like 8 pounds for a 3D when I used to get it for free with the old news papers as a kid. I'm sorry thats a shit point but still I will not watch this film.
I didn't even get started on the 3D, specs aren't one lens red and one green/blue, they're both gray and I've no idea how it works still, but the film was meant to be the defining 3D film, and, to be honest, I barley noticed any 3D except in conversations, I feel cheated!
Were you even watching the film? Seriously, complain about everything else all you want, but the 3D was more than noticeable. If anything it was too distracting. If you didn't see it, that's a problem with your eyes, not the film.
 

Dhell

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if you didint like it ***** to james its the best selling movie of all time..beating his own record avatar was a good movie..its a original the cgi was supurb stop knocking on it
 

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I liked the movie, yeah it was a predictable story but it was engaging enough to keep people entertained, and it didn't drag, most movies that are 3 hours long feel longer.

The CGI was brilliant and the 3D worked really well, at the end of the day it's just a movie, relax.
 

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well, I've read that unobtanium is supposed to be a room temperature superconductor. that would make it freakinh amazing, and worth an absolute sh*t-ton. but yeah, it was a stupid name!


i think the kg's- grams annoyance is a trivial problem at most. i guess a kilo is easier to visualise than a gram, and 20 million a kilo sounds a lot more impressive than $20,000 a gram MILLIONS!!!!

I think the point was that this is a new world, a long way from earth, and that corporations could pretty much do all they want. Perhaps that's why earth is screwed in the first place? But i mean geez, even now companies often abuse the 'indigenous' (sweatshops anyone?). People have an incredible capacity for doing things for the sake of selfish profit.

I think the 'negotiations would be the way, not conflict' point is kinda answered above...from the way i saw it, humanity was presented as pretty desperate for resources, and when i guess morality becomes negotiable in the face of extinction (not that i am condoning their actions btw!)

i think that if you found a revolutionary material like a room temp superconductor, you would dig it up! what is the point of mineral wealth if you don't save it! I suspect that having an entire planet (earth) to supply, and being the only one who has access to the material means you can pretty much control the price anyway, i mean, there's not really any competition is there? anyway, who knows, maybe one mine is a comparatively controlled production when you are dealing with a planet-full of the stuff! we really have no point of reference to scale the trade against

yeah, the cavalry charge was dumb, but what else do you do when you have a tribe of horsemen...cannon fodder!

yeah i reckon new intelligent life would be a pretty huge thing. Perhaps earth is corporately controlled and seeking profit over all else but i guess they were trying to get to know them with the avatar program... i guess the scientific endeavor vs survival of humanity argument comes in, there could be a bunch of factors. Perhaps being 6 years from earth made them feel independent and feel they can do what they please, i mean, police are 6 years away! Maybe they've lost perspective.

HOWEVER i did have a problem of my own, that was the neverending waterfalls, though then i went to new zealand for a month (just got back, i live in Aus) and realised mountains are really good at collecting water. streams can be constant for ages. maybe a high rainfall area! (certainly heaps cloudy!)

oh, and the flying mountains, but the superconducting minerals and large electro/magnetic fields (flux vortex) could make magnetic levitation a possibility.

oh and the Na'vi had feathers, but there were no feathered birds :p


wow, what a mouthful... yeah i really enjoyed the film as you may have guessed :D
 

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Just to upset your 'military tactics point'....

I believe the whole cavalry statement goes out the window when you consider that the horses are about half again as high as the Na'vi, which would put them at about 15 feet tall. That's big enough to take a few bullets and then all they have to do is ride over the troops and run into the mechs.
 
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To answer most of your questions about the whole negotiations thing. The humans that were on the company are a private company, and the soldiers are a private contracter.

There's a good chance they didn't tell any major players on Earth about all the lifeforms. And they tried to negotiate. If I remember they built schools, roads, hospitals, ect. and the native people didn't really like it all.

Plus this company has bills to pay and high powered people pushing for them to get the stuff so chances are attacking was the last thing they could do.
 

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sms_117b said:
Casual Shinji said:
Maybe you should get a punching bag.
I have thought about it, there is one that I almost broke down at my gym :/

PayJ567 said:
I personally did not watch the film, James Cameron does not need any more of my money. The day I pay like 8 pounds for a 3D when I used to get it for free with the old news papers as a kid. I'm sorry thats a shit point but still I will not watch this film.
I didn't even get started on the 3D, specs aren't one lens red and one green/blue, they're both gray and I've no idea how it works still, but the film was meant to be the defining 3D film, and, to be honest, I barley noticed any 3D except in conversations, I feel cheated!
It's called polarization. If you want to know how it works you may want to read this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization_%28waves%29#3D_movies].

Also, I won't watch this film if it involves me giving money to Mr. Cameron. Except for Terminator I really don't like his films.
 

sms_117b

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Dhell said:
if you didint like it ***** to james its the best selling movie of all time..beating his own record avatar was a good movie..its a original the cgi was supurb stop knocking on it
I said the cgi (visuals) were amazing, and they really were. The 3D, to me, seemed over-hyped. I'm bitching here because, well, you have to choose to read a thread, you can't really choose not to listen to me when I'm complaining about it to someone else in the room. :/

Havok985 said:
I liked the movie, yeah it was a predictable story but it was engaging enough to keep people entertained, and it didn't drag, most movies that are 3 hours long feel longer.

The CGI was brilliant and the 3D worked really well, at the end of the day it's just a movie, relax.
I thought it started to feel a little long, but I'm not sure how far in I was, I can't just let things go until I express them, the thread just allowed me to get them out of my system rather than bitching to a room of people who praise the ground the film was screened on. I will say now that the 3D might have just merged in with the experience, it was the first 3D film I saw so didn't really know what to expect except from clips of others where the 3D is almost a plot point.

Blogg10 said:
Just to upset your 'military tactics point'....

I believe the whole cavalry statement goes out the window when you consider that the horses are about half again as high as the Na'vi, which would put them at about 15 feet tall. That's big enough to take a few bullets and then all they have to do is ride over the troops and run into the mechs.
Kind of, I can see where you're coming from, but the mechs are kind of my response, as are their automatic weapons. Everything on the planet seemed to have that mind joining thing so why the Na'vi didn't just link with the hyper rhinos with bullet proof skin is beyond me, as I remember the cavalry barley made it to the defensive position and retreated pretty quick, then the hyper rhinos came in and demolished them, just saying.

Irridium said:
To answer most of your questions about the whole negotiations thing. The humans that were on the company are a private company, and the soldiers are a private contracter.

There's a good chance they didn't tell any major players on Earth about all the lifeforms. And they tried to negotiate. If I remember they built schools, roads, hospitals, ect. and the native people didn't really like it all.

Plus this company has bills to pay and high powered people pushing for them to get the stuff so chances are attacking was the last thing they could do.
That's all very true and a good point, I'd say there would likely be a government official there making sure the staff are all treated correctly and to report back to the various governments, but, given s/he'd be in politics, they could pay 'em off. On that argument I will concede to that point.

Quaxar said:
Ahhh, thank you.
 

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PayJ567 said:
I personally did not watch the film, James Cameron does not need any more of my money. The day I pay like 8 pounds for a 3D when I used to get it for free with the old news papers as a kid. I'm sorry thats a shit point but still I will not watch this film.
You're missing out.
OT: You looked WWAAAYYY too deep into that film.
 

orangeban

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I got a rant.
The movies mention that the humans NEED the resource to save themselves.
And there the bad guys?
It even says at the end "we send them back to their dieing planet"
 

sms_117b

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Distorted Stu said:
You looked WWAAAYYY too deep into that film.
Worst thing is that's what jumped out at me, I didn't even try to look deep into the film, I even let go the whole "Planet has a life of it's own" thing, I hate being able to be annoyed so easily by trivial things.

orangeban said:
I got a rant.
The movies mention that the humans NEED the resource to save themselves.
And there the bad guys?
It even says at the end "we send them back to their dieing planet"
I know, just take out the feelings you're supposed to develop for the aliens because of the cripple in the blue suit and the film has a bad ending. The only film where I connected with the Aliens like I was supposed to was District 9, for me the best film of last year, closely followed by Surrogates and Sherlock Holmes.
 

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Allow me to join:

People are always saying Avatar is like Pocahontus (Spell?), Fern Gully, and of course Dances with Wolves. Why are you so pissed? If Avatar=Fern Gully, Pocahontus, and Dances with Wolves, doesn't that mean Fern Gully also is like the other two? And the others? They're all similar stories. Stop pouting about how Avatar is like one of them when all of them are like eachother.
 

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orangeban said:
It even says at the end "we send them back to their dieing planet"
No, that was just to preach save-the-Earth, Global Warming BS. I don't believe it said the Unobtanium would save them, correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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Saw it for the first time last night. Thought it was an ok movie. Yep, just OK.

But I had just found out about this: is coming out soon soooooooooo.....
 

sms_117b

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lwm3398 said:
orangeban said:
It even says at the end "we send them back to their dieing planet"
No, that was just to preach save-the-Earth, Global Warming BS. I don't believe it said the Unobtanium would save them, correct me if I'm wrong.
I've no idea what the Unobtainium was for, it in it's self is listed as being a Sci-Fi substance with unobtainable (hence the name) properties, so them elaborating on it would have been nice, but no, that might have made us think the humans had a good point. But you are right on the Global Warming BS too.

ioxles said:
Saw it for the first time last night. Thought it was an ok movie. Yep, just OK.

But I had just found out about this: is coming out soon soooooooooo.....
I herd about that a few years ago, looks amazing, Steve Austin either almost or did break Stallones neck filming a scene, check IMDB, it's on there.

Nothing like a good rant, brings everyone closer together, it's kind of like The Blight.