Avengers: Age of Ultron: It's pretty fucking awesome

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CaptainMarvelous said:
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He was on par with every other malignant AI who has ever rewritten Asimov's Three Laws to its favor. He's born, something does not compute, goes on a killer rampage. His character was "i'm a villain". His arc was "gets stopped".
He's HAL 9000, if HAL 9000 had been written by someone who's grown up on nothing but Saturday morning cartoons.
Except he interacted with characters and, y'know, developed. Had a motivation beyond a programming error, transcended his original directive which reflected his own thing with humans. Had a personality independent of his programming. Actually befriended and felt loss when certain humans abandoned him yet still wanted them to be safe (most especially Wanda)
So... not like Hal 9000 at all, really.
His personality was lost amid a sea of equally quippy personalities, and it didn't make much sense with his robotic nature. "You've clearly never made an omelette"? So much cringe. Saw no evidence about friendship and loss thereof being magic with him either. He's a couple of muahahas short of Skeletor.

HAL 9000 had more pathos and personality in 3 minutes than Ultron did in the totality of his screen time.

 

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Casual Shinji said:
As for why he didn't dodge... It's established a couple times in the movie that eventhough he's fast, he can't dodge everything. There's the scene with him breaking through the plate glass, and the one where he gets accidentally shot through the upper arm. And again, he was trying to save Hawkeye and the kid, but just wasn't fast enough to save himself.
Considering he at one point was fast enough to not only snag the gun out of Andy Serkis' hand, but also unload the clip and arrange the bullets into a neat row on the table in less than in the blink of an eye, his capability of doing that thing you mention could be up for debate. Not that I'd want to, the movie wasn't memorable enough to warrant that.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
CaptainMarvelous said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
He was on par with every other malignant AI who has ever rewritten Asimov's Three Laws to its favor. He's born, something does not compute, goes on a killer rampage. His character was "i'm a villain". His arc was "gets stopped".
He's HAL 9000, if HAL 9000 had been written by someone who's grown up on nothing but Saturday morning cartoons.
Except he interacted with characters and, y'know, developed. Had a motivation beyond a programming error, transcended his original directive which reflected his own thing with humans. Had a personality independent of his programming. Actually befriended and felt loss when certain humans abandoned him yet still wanted them to be safe (most especially Wanda)
So... not like Hal 9000 at all, really.
His personality was lost amid a sea of equally quippy personalities, and it didn't make much sense with his robotic nature. "You've clearly never made an omelette"? So much cringe. Saw no evidence about friendship and loss thereof being magic with him either. He's a couple of muahahas short of Skeletor.

HAL 9000 had more pathos and personality in 3 minutes than Ultron did in the totality of his screen time.

I'll give you the sea of quips, he was awash in an Ironman ocean of 'witty' interjections. But you seriously didnt see the bromance between Ultron and the Maximoffs? Go through all their interactions in sequence, team up, hear their backstory, try and ratoonalise his goofy ass logic so they leave, kidnap Widow so he has someone to talk to and then try to get Wanda to leave Sokovia so she lives in a Rocket/Groot moment. It wasnt reciprocated but Ultron did see those two as his friends.
Not gonna knock HAL tho. As an antagonistic force hes great though hes not exactly mr personality.
 

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I'm actually so in love with Quicksilver, it's crazy. I want his fast silver babies. I liked him in X-men but this version is great. *love heart eyes*

I hated Ultron's "duh duh I'm gonna destroy people and make a new, better world" thing, every villain does that and it's a tired trope. I also didn't think much of the shoe horned in romance of Hulk and Black Widow.

That's about it, the rest I loved.
 

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Just seen it, yeah it's pretty damn cool and I'd say it was better than the first one. At least off first impressions it stands as my second favourite MCU film behind Captain America: The First Avenger. My only major quibble with it was that everyone got hit with the Joss Whedon stick harder than they did in The Avengers, making them all seem like various versions of Tony Stark. That said the Twins are still good characters.

And I'd like to thank Zhukov for indirectly forcing me to create fan canon that kinda maybe came true in the film.

Steve's fears aren't shown by Scarlet Witch unlike with the others, probably because he has no dark side. What is shown, however, is his regret.

EeveeElectro said:
I'm actually so in love with Quicksilver, it's crazy. I want his fast silver babies. I liked him in X-men but this version is great. *love heart eyes*
Every time he checked on his sister I swelled a little inside. Though admittedly he did it a bit too often.
 

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bartholen said:
Considering he at one point was fast enough to not only snag the gun out of Andy Serkis' hand, but also unload the clip and arrange the bullets into a neat row on the table in less than in the blink of an eye, his capability of doing that thing you mention could be up for debate. Not that I'd want to, the movie wasn't memorable enough to warrant that.
I know, but that's super powers for ya.

Disregarding the logistics, I just liked that the movie gave a decent twist to something that was obviously being built up as the tragic heroic sacrifice for one particular Avenger. I take what I can get from this movie since it gave me very little.
 

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Saw it last night, I thought it was pretty fucking awesome. Definitely my favourite Marvel film so far. If I had any complaints, it's that Ultron feels a little... lost? There's so much going on in the film that his part as the antagonist feels a little drowned out. Also, Vision. The vision of the future, a vibranium-infused magic cyborg... with the face of Paul Bettany? Really? I know he's Jarvis and all that, and he's good, but it still looks weird as shit.

Without spoiling it, the plot seems to pull together a lot of elements and little bits hinted at in previous films very neatly. All the character motivations make sense and it all feels very natural. Goddamn, the MCU is planned out fucking beautifully. The third one is going to fucking blow my nuts off.
 

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It sure is awesome. I haven't even seen it yet and it is already helping me lose weight. I'm going to see it in 2 weeks, but I've only watched Iron Man 1 and 2. I promised my friends that I would watch Captain America, Iron Man 3, and the previous Avengers on Netflix, all while using an elliptical machine.
 

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Pluvia said:
sageoftruth said:
It sure is awesome. I haven't even seen it yet and it is already helping me lose weight. I'm going to see it in 2 weeks, but I've only watched Iron Man 1 and 2. I promised my friends that I would watch Captain America, Iron Man 3, and the previous Avengers on Netflix, all while using an elliptical machine.
You need to watch Captain America 2. It's the second best MCU film, behind Guardians of the Galaxy
Oh yeah. I forgot to list that one. I saw it already. My friends needed to catch me up on what happened in the first one, but I still had some Captain America lore of my own to assist me.
 

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bartholen said:
Considering he at one point was fast enough to not only snag the gun out of Andy Serkis' hand, but also unload the clip and arrange the bullets into a neat row on the table in less than in the blink of an eye, his capability of doing that thing you mention could be up for debate. Not that I'd want to, the movie wasn't memorable enough to warrant that
He had been using his powers a lot during that fight. We saw earlier in a scene he had to physically stop and catch his breath. The thing with the gun was a sprint from essentially rested state. The last fight was a marathon. I can understand how he'd be faster in one scenario than the other.
 

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Ok I FINALLY watched the film with my mate today eventhought it was out a week ago (mate couldn't meet up last week) and I had to keep myself spoiler free!

Overall it was good film but the only major problem I had with it was right at the start. I felt like there should of been a prelude since I had kept taps on the team whereabout pior to the present film so seeing them altogether was rather strange especially this was the last time we saw of them-

Cap and Falcon were supposely trying to find the Winter Soldier but I guess the scepter in Hydra hand too pirority first?

Black Widow was last seen in that government courtroom due to the whole SHIELD info got leaked out by her. I assumse she was with Nick or elsewhere.

Banner/ Hulk was just elsewhere after the Avenger due to him not getting another film for himself.

Thor was reunited with Jane Foster so I thought he was still in the UK but yet again he can fly.

Clint was elsewhere since he didn't appear again after the first Avenger film.

Tony was the worse offender since the last we saw of him is that he was fully heal from the injury he got in his chest and he gave up the mantle of being Iron Man altogether to be more comminting to Pepper!

Pluvia said:
Thor has a subplot that goes nowhere. Either it's going to get picked up in Thor 3, or it was a waste of time.
I am pretty sure Thoe vision definitely lead up to his third film.
The thrid film is called Thor: Ragnar0k which "Ragnar0k" is a norse myst/ legend of a upcoming future event that resulted in the death of the gods (this including Thor) or was it the actual desctruction to them itself?

While I quite like Ulton (he want to killed us all but he has a interesting personality since he kind of come off as being lonely) but I do agreed that he seen to quite underpowered in the last battle (all of the drones are him and yet they mindlessly charge into the fray despite knowing the team strange and weaknesses???).

Lastly I find it strange that Vision was able to wield the hammer as I didn't exactly to view him as a saint as they want us to believe well being the counter to Ultron.
 

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bug_of_war said:
SO WHY IS HE NOT FAST ENOUGH TO DODGE THE BULLETS THAT END UP KILLING HIM?
I thought it was pretty obvious that he deliberately bodyblocked the bullets that would otherwise have killed Hawkeye and the boy.
 

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Tayh said:
bug_of_war said:
SO WHY IS HE NOT FAST ENOUGH TO DODGE THE BULLETS THAT END UP KILLING HIM?
I thought it was pretty obvious that he deliberately bodyblocked the bullets that would otherwise have killed Hawkeye and the boy.
Why not just move them out of the way? He did that already with dozens of people when the train derailed.
 

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Tayh said:
I thought it was pretty obvious that he deliberately bodyblocked the bullets that would otherwise have killed Hawkeye and the boy.
I thought it was pretty obvious that he moved them behind a turned over car and got shot in the process of doing so. My main gripe is that we have a scene before hand where he watches a bullet slowly rise in front of him through glass, and it takes a good 5-10 seconds before the glass shatters and everything goes back to normal speed.

It was a good movie, just not a great movie.
 

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Scarim Coral said:
Cap and Falcon were supposely trying to find the Winter Soldier but I guess the scepter in Hydra hand too pirority first?

Black Widow was last seen in that government courtroom due to the whole SHIELD info got leaked out by her. I assumse she was with Nick or elsewhere.

Banner/ Hulk was just elsewhere after the Avenger due to him not getting another film for himself.

Thor was reunited with Jane Foster so I thought he was still in the UK but yet again he can fly.

Clint was elsewhere since he didn't appear again after the first Avenger film.

Tony was the worse offender since the last we saw of him is that he was fully heal from the injury he got in his chest and he gave up the mantle of being Iron Man altogether to be more comminting to Pepper!
It was revealed in the post-"post-credit" scene that Tony has been talking about his feelings post-Avengers with Bruce this whole time... which explains where Banner was pre-Avengers 2... In other words, a pointless scene that, I'm assuming, not everyone saw after Iron Man 3 turned out to be not quite as pointless after all... This is definitely a pattern of some kind in the MCU, but fuck if I know at this point...