Awful Characters Find Their Way Into ME3

[Woodsey]

Alright, so I was just on the Mass Effect wikia, as after watching a friend play Arrival, I was curious as to what was known about potential party members in ME3. After several paragraphs of perusing I came upon this frightening detail: Both Kaiden and Ashley can be recruited.

Really? I mean, honestly. For starters, it's one thing to recycle characters (especially those that PS3 players will not have much insight into) from older titles. But it's a completely different story when you include the emo Kaiden, who never ceased to complain about his bio-implants, and the disturbingly racist/xenophobic Ashley

I liked both Kaidan and Ash. Don't like them, don't recruit them.

And considering we spent the entire last game building a team, I'm not exactly sure why you think we'd get a completely new roster.

Well, what if a lot of your party members got killed off? Would you just have the party members that weren't killed off? This could make for a pretty boring roster. Plus, while a lot of party members are awesome, I could see how meeting no one new ( or very few new party members ) could make the game a bit boring.

"Completely new".

I'm sure there are enough characters to account for people who were pretty terrible at the second game.

 

[Tdc2182]

Let's put this into perspective...

"OMG, they are bringing back Hermione and Ron for the final Harry Potter book? I hated those guys"

They literally are the central characters that have been with you through the entire trilogy now, and for many of us, your first love interest.

I would have been dissapointed if they didn't bring them back (Though truthfully, I'm going to enjoy rubbing the Tali into that stone cold *****'s face.)

 

[Tdc2182]

Out of all the ME1 party members to bring back for the final and 3rd installment they don't choose Wrex?! Garrus and Sheppard were acceptable for 2, its hard to hate their characters. But common, its Wrex! Who doesn't wanna bring a can of Krogan-woop-ass on some bitches?

EDIT: If we can't have Wrex then Male Sheppard and Kaiden Romance will be acceptable

Phht...

Rectify...

 

[natster43]

So bringing characters back who played a major role in the first one for the end of the trilogy is lazy?

 

[Avatar Roku]

Well, I understand not having both Jack and Kaiden in ME3, due to some very less-than-subtle similarities. Perhaps I was a bit hyperbolic in my descriptions of Kaiden and Ashley, but I genuinely didn't enjoy the presence of either in Mass Effect, Ashely moreso than Kaiden. No amount of conversation or logic seemed to pry her away from her convictions.

A person won't giver up her convictions after being talked to about them a half dozen times? Wow. Imagine that. That's totally not how real people are.

Having said that, she also totally DOES change if you talk to her.

I will declare ME3 to be the most glorious story/game I have encountered, to date, if they include the rachni that you had the potential of saving in ME1; and speak with/through via message in ME2, in ME3.

Oh, you definitely will. Think about it; the entire trilogy has been about finding allies against the Geth. There's the rachni (if alive. The message in ME2 hints at that quite a bit), the geth (possibly with greater numbers, depending on Legion's mission), the Krogan (if Wrex is alive), the Migrant Fleet (If Tali is alive and loyal, I bet), the Alliance (Anderson and Hackett for the win), and the Council (If Anderson's on, I bet. Though I'd hope even Udina couldn't ignore an invasion of earth). Really begins to make some of those Renegade options look shortsighted, eh?

EDIT: I totally forgot to mention that you have the Shadow Broker on your side now too. Things are looking up for Shep.

 

[Stevepinto3]

This is one of the most inane and petty rage posts I've seen in a while. You're upset because a party member from the first game in a series is *possibly* making an appearance in the next title in it? Seriously?

As far as I'm aware they haven't said definitively what characters will or will not appear in ME3, but I'd be willing to bet we'll see some from both 1 and 2. Garrus and Tali I'd expect just because they've been along the whole time. I think Mordin might be an important character because of the choices you can make in his mission in 2, and that may have consequences in 3. Same thing with Legion. Also Wrex, just because he's Wrex.

Also I think it's worth noting that the only party member guaranteed to survive both games is Liara. I'm not sure how that will work out, especially if you did the DLC and now what she's up to.

 

[Avatar Roku]

This is one of the most inane and petty rage posts I've seen in a while. You're upset because a party member from the first game in a series is *possibly* making an appearance in the next title in it? Seriously?

As far as I'm aware they haven't said definitively what characters will or will not appear in ME3, but I'd be willing to bet we'll see some from both 1 and 2. Garrus and Tali I'd expect just because they've been along the whole time. I think Mordin might be an important character because of the choices you can make in his mission in 2, and that may have consequences in 3. Same thing with Legion. Also Wrex, just because he's Wrex.

Also I think it's worth noting that the only party member guaranteed to survive both games is Liara. I'm not sure how that will work out, especially if you did the DLC and now what she's up to.

Well, Wrex is important not just because he's awesome, but also because he's loyal to Shepard and commands most of the Krogan. Think about it.

Hell, see my post above. Both Kaiden and Ashley fill the niche of "Alliance Party Member", and at least one of them is guaranteed to survive, so that fits.

 

[DeadSpaced]

This is one of the most inane and petty rage posts I've seen in a while. You're upset because a party member from the first game in a series is *possibly* making an appearance in the next title in it? Seriously?

As far as I'm aware they haven't said definitively what characters will or will not appear in ME3, but I'd be willing to bet we'll see some from both 1 and 2. Garrus and Tali I'd expect just because they've been along the whole time. I think Mordin might be an important character because of the choices you can make in his mission in 2, and that may have consequences in 3. Same thing with Legion. Also Wrex, just because he's Wrex.

Also I think it's worth noting that the only party member guaranteed to survive both games is Liara. I'm not sure how that will work out, especially if you did the DLC and now what she's up to.

Well, Wrex is important not just because he's awesome, but also because he's loyal to Shepard and commands most of the Krogan. Think about it.

Hell, see my post above. Both Kaiden and Ashley fill the niche of "Alliance Party Member", and at least one of them is guaranteed to survive, so that fits.

What's interesting is that they've confirmed that you'll be getting another human Alliance party member named James Sanders, as if we needed another.

 

[Avatar Roku]

This is one of the most inane and petty rage posts I've seen in a while. You're upset because a party member from the first game in a series is *possibly* making an appearance in the next title in it? Seriously?

As far as I'm aware they haven't said definitively what characters will or will not appear in ME3, but I'd be willing to bet we'll see some from both 1 and 2. Garrus and Tali I'd expect just because they've been along the whole time. I think Mordin might be an important character because of the choices you can make in his mission in 2, and that may have consequences in 3. Same thing with Legion. Also Wrex, just because he's Wrex.

Also I think it's worth noting that the only party member guaranteed to survive both games is Liara. I'm not sure how that will work out, especially if you did the DLC and now what she's up to.

Well, Wrex is important not just because he's awesome, but also because he's loyal to Shepard and commands most of the Krogan. Think about it.

Hell, see my post above. Both Kaiden and Ashley fill the niche of "Alliance Party Member", and at least one of them is guaranteed to survive, so that fits.

What's interesting is that they've confirmed that you'll be getting another human Alliance party member named James Sanders, as if we needed another.

...and what's wrong with that? You complain that they use old characters, you complain that they make new ones, what will possibly make you happy?

 

[Goofguy]

I will declare ME3 to be the most glorious story/game I have encountered, to date, if they include the rachni that you had the potential of saving in ME1; and speak with/through via message in ME2, in ME3.

Well seeing as how there was some strong foreshadowing in the message in ME2, I think it would be absolutely retarded not to include them after all the effort put in to the rachni in the first two games.

OP: of course ME2 characters will be included. As for Kaidan, sure he was whiny but even if I am forced to recruit him, nothing prevents me from leaving him in the cargo bay of the Normandy while Garrus, Liara and I go off to save the galaxy.

 

[DeadSpaced]

Well, I'll take the new character over Kaiden or Ashley. I'm just pointing out that it's somewhat odd that they're, in your terms, filling a niche that (regardless of the player's actions) will have already been filled. As for complaining about old characters, it was moreso the virtue that I didn't enjoy them as party members that I took issue with. I'd be more than okay with Wrex or Liara returning, as well as (almost) anyone from ME2.

 

[easternflame]

The name of the planet is vermire, hehe, I'm such a troll.

OT Ok, so I think, characters like samara, liara, garrus, wrex, grunt, thane should return, another thing that'll piss a lot of people off is if miranda doesn't return. Because she was the main love intrest in the game and if you romanced her and did the last mission with her she ends up

Spoiler

quiting cerberus so even if they're trying to kill you, she has no reason to hate you

Also I never gave a shit between Ashley and Kaidan, Kaidan survived because I cared more about the spy team than Ashley, and I always thought Ashley was a little skanky racist ***** who had it coming although I must say, she looks hot for Mass Effect 3 http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.276649-Poll-Mass-Effect-3-Ashley-got-Hot-Also-see-Kaiden.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Well, I'll take the new character over Kaiden or Ashley. I'm just pointing out that it's somewhat odd that they're, in your terms, filling a niche that (regardless of the player's actions) will have already been filled. As for complaining about old characters, it was moreso the virtue that I didn't enjoy them as party members that I took issue with. I'd be more than okay with Wrex or Liara returning, as well as (almost) anyone from ME2.

Maybe I should clarify. I was referring to the fact that every ME1 squadmate seems to be leading some kind of faction. For example, Tali is influential among the Migrant Fleet (if she was found innocent), Wrex leads the Krogan, I'd be shocked if Garrus didn't get another badass squad together, etc. It's possible the Human Survivor from ME1 will be influential enough in the Alliance to get help. Sanders seems more like a straight-up squadmate.

 

[Piscivore]

Honestly, as long as Tali and Grunt make it into ME3(and by make it in I mean follow me throughout the whole game) I'll be totally satisfied. Thane would be a nice addition, and I'd like an opportunity to correct the mistake of allowing Ashley to live but Tali and Grunt were by far the big fish of the game for me.

In the event that Tali'Zorah is not in ME3 in a major capacity, I'll be starting a new thread on where the staff of bioware live and how effective their home security is...

 

[Avatar Roku]

Honestly, as long as Tali and Grunt make it into ME3(and by make it in I mean follow me throughout the whole game) I'll be totally satisfied. Thane would be a nice addition, and I'd like an opportunity to correct the mistake of allowing Ashley to live but Tali and Grunt were by far the big fish of the game for me.

In the event that Tali'Zorah is not in ME3 in a major capacity, I'll be starting a new thread on where the staff of bioware live and how effective their home security is...

Actually, I don't think they will be in the game as game-long squadmates, but they'll definitely be in. My conception is they'll be rallying their faction to support you, so maybe you'll have 1 mission wherein they are in your squad so you can help unite the faction or something like that. Granted, that's just my uninformed ideas, but I think it sounds good.

 

[DeadSpaced]

Well, I'll take the new character over Kaiden or Ashley. I'm just pointing out that it's somewhat odd that they're, in your terms, filling a niche that (regardless of the player's actions) will have already been filled. As for complaining about old characters, it was moreso the virtue that I didn't enjoy them as party members that I took issue with. I'd be more than okay with Wrex or Liara returning, as well as (almost) anyone from ME2.

Maybe I should clarify. I was referring to the fact that every ME1 squadmate seems to be leading some kind of faction. For example, Tali is influential among the Migrant Fleet (if she was found innocent), Wrex leads the Krogan, I'd be shocked if Garrus didn't get another badass squad together, etc. It's possible the Human Survivor from ME1 will be influential enough in the Alliance to get help. Sanders seems more like a straight-up squadmate.

Ah, okay, that makes sense, I see what you mean.

One has to wonder though, based on all the recruitable characters they've confirmed from both Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, how much room is going to be left for new recruitable characters. I'd at least like a couple few, maybe two or three, if that's not too much to ask. Then again, maybe ME 3 will just have a "crazy huge" roster. After all, the roster jumped from 6 to 11 characters from 1 to 2 (not including DLC characters from 2).

 

[Nylis]

This probably the reason they weren't recruitable in ME2 - they wanted at least one of them alive for canon - same with Liara.

I can guarantee you that isn't why.

Bioware has already shown that their canon is more important than what you do in your save file and are willing to resurrect dead characters to tell the story their way.

Actually that IS why Kaidan/Ashley, Wrex and Liara weren't playable in ME2. I remember seeing an interview with Casey Hudson, he was answering questions about ME2, this was before the game came and they were releasing info about it. The above mentioned characters could not be allowed to die because they had important roles in ME3. And since the whole idea of ME2 was that anyone could die, they couldn't have them as playable characters.

 

[Et3rnalLegend64]

Some people actually like Ashley and Kaiden, so I do hope Bioware won't cut them out just for complainers like you. Personally, I don't care either way if they're in the game or not, but they have fans who were pissed that you couldn't take them back in ME2.

On another note, it would also kinda suck if you can't recruit your ME2 characters when some people went through the trouble to make sure they all come back alive at the end of the suicide mission.

I wanna see Tali and a resolution to the Quarian/Geth situation, Grunt or Wrex just because, Samara or her replacement just to see how the game handles it, Liara because my first Shepard romanced her, and maybe Mordin or Thane if they're not dead yet. Zaeed probably got paid already and left. No idea about Kasumi.