Baa Baa Black Sheep now considered racist

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You see that title up there? You see that story? Currently making a comeback? It's a lie. It's not true and it never has been.

The story of Baa Baa Pink/White/Rainbow/Blue sheep has been going on since the 70s (at least!) and it goes as follows:

'A primary school in Unspecified, England is banning pupils from singing the song Baa Baa Black Sheep on the grounds of racism. Instead, pupils are being made to sing Baa Baa White/Pink/Rainbow/Little/Cthulhoid Sheep.'

It first appeared in a local newspaper not exactly renowned for its validity. From there the Daily Mail (who else) picked up the story and it soon become a national phenomenon, outrage was registered, complaints were lodged and nobody actually stopped to ask the school about it. The school who have always maintained that they never actually stopped their pupils singing the song as it was.

Since then every few years it comes back, and unfortunately there is now a small basis for the story. When teaching children colours, or phonics (now compulsory in English schooling, thanks Michael Gove, you're a journalist not an educator) it makes sense to use simple rhymes they already know to teach them such things. Baa Baa all the colours of the rainbow sheep teaches them about colours, Baa Baa little sheep teaches them a slightly altered melody (which helps somehow with phonics) It is not the only nursery rhyme which is altered in this fashion, but it is of course the only one they can pretend has racial connotations. In point of fact my mother, who is a PGCE lecturer of ten years and a primary school teacher of fifteen, teaches an entire half module on how to alter nursery rhymes to provide multiple lessons from one basic melody.

*pant *pant

Discussion value: Have you ever experienced instances of mass hysteria over something you know to be false? Have you found it impossible to convince people, even with proof, that what they believe is a lie? And I don't mean classic 'conspiracy theories' like 9/11, I mean something that is all but accepted as common sense, apart from the few actually intelligent people who bothered to do the research (ie. you.)
 

Jonluw

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Aaawwwww...
I opened this thread to call you out on the bullshit story.
Now what do I do?
 

Esotera

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GM crops. There is literally nothing wrong with them, yet I almost guarantee by the time this thread is over someone will have tried to call me out on this, whilst producing no conclusive evidence whatsoever that they're harmful to humans. Same with aspartame...it's one of the most tested food additives in the history of humanity, and they haven't found anything wrong with it (I'm fairly sure).
 

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I was going to call this out as bullshit as well.

Um...oh...you know that thing about how The War of the Worlds on radio caused mass panic in the US? Made up by the US newspapers to discredit radio.
 

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Don't know anything THAT widespread. Most shit I've heard is the same old "We never landed on the moon!" or "Daddy Long-Legs have the most potent venom in the world but their fangs aren't long enough to pierce human skin" stuff.

Or that Wikipedia isn't a credible source of information.
 

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'This food has chemicals in so it's bad, eat this organic food instead'
All food contains chemicals
'But these ones aren't natural, they're man-made'
Humans are natural, why wouldn't the things we make be natural?

I got two in one
 

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Esotera said:
GM crops. There is literally nothing wrong with them, yet I almost guarantee by the time this thread is over someone will have tried to call me out on this, whilst producing no conclusive evidence whatsoever that they're harmful to humans. Same with aspartame...it's one of the most tested food additives in the history of humanity, and they haven't found anything wrong with it (I'm fairly sure).
There are issues like that fact that the increased survival abilities of the crops can undermine an ecosystem if they spread to the wild.
And gene modification allows companies to do rather immoral things. Such as creating a monopoly on corn.
 

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Jonluw said:
And gene modification allows companies to do rather immoral things. Such as creating a monopoly on corn.
Let's be fair about this, and not confuse the benefits of actually, you know, feeding people with the scumbag lawyer tricks Monsanto pulls. That's not a problem of genetic modification, that's a problem of legislators being for sale to the highest bidder.
 

Jonluw

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targren said:
Jonluw said:
And gene modification allows companies to do rather immoral things. Such as creating a monopoly on corn.
Let's be fair about this, and not confuse the benefits of actually, you know, feeding people with the scumbag lawyer tricks Monsanto pulls. That's not a problem of genetic modification, that's a problem of legislators being for sale to the highest bidder.
Indeed.
I'm just saying it opens doors, and as of right now we aren't very careful with what doors we let people open.
 

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I find the term Cthuluoid exceptionally offensive.

It offends my religion, and greatly offends our Starnborn Makers.
 

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There was a news report about a woman that had her Facebook account stolen. It started off with "What are the hardships you can face if your identity is stolen?" I was watching (or rather, I was in the same room) with my parents when that was on TV so I just murmured my answer "Not, too big". And then I revised that to a yelled "WHAT?!" when the news people said otherwise. Apparently, that woman had to contact the police and lawyers and several other institutions to do something. I call bullshit on that. Why? Let's see what Fb's FAQ has to say about it [http://www.facebook.com/help/hacked]. Or maybe how about this [http://www.facebook.com/hacked] if you didn't catch that - the URL is facebook-dot-com-forwardslash-hacked - this is how you recover your account - you don't need the police or anything. Maybe unless Facebook staff are not being helpful (I doubt it - bad publicity) but anyway, she didn't even attempt to do that.

And there was this other time news people managed to show me new depths of stupidity. Let me give you a background first. There was a torrent site that had free and premium accounts and premium just had extra features enabled but were in no way needed to access or use the website. Let's assume the subscription fee was $2 per months (I don't remember and that wasn't even the currency but it should be around that price). And there was a brief snapshot of the currently active peers at the front page of the website.

If you download a thing, you are a leecher, if you're uploading something, you're a seeder. If you're doing any of those, you're a peer. If you're downloading three things, you count as three leechers, same with the other two. So, as you see, each "active peer" is in no way a single person.

Some journalist went out and did the Math how the website was making millions each month by multiplying the active peers by the monthly fee. Totally ignoring 1. The VAT on the fee 2. That the number of peers is not the number of people 3. That not all of the people using the website were paying. If I was to hazard a guess, it would be less than a quarter.

There is trying to scare people and there is being totally incompetent. The journalist was totally incompetent.

Oh, and another story of an incompetent journalist: my mother read a pile of bullshit an article about "the dangers of hackers online". And she, not being technically savay (I don't hold it against her) turned to me for more information. I'm happy about that - my parents at least try to verify what they hear/read. Anyway, the article went on how evil hackers could steal your IP address and do stuff with it to launder money and hack other people. I cannot relate the full share of stupidity there was since it was quite a long time ago (and I try not to think about it). But I can say for sure that what the article described had no basis in reality.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Jonluw said:
Aaawwwww...
I opened this thread to call you out on the bullshit story.
Now what do I do?
I know right?

Now I'm stuck in a thread without anything clever to say...
I know! I was going to make a clever comment about it being 2002 or something. Now what?
 

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MelasZepheos said:
'A primary school in Unspecified, England is banning pupils from singing the song Baa Baa Black Sheep on the grounds of racism. Instead, pupils are being made to sing Baa Baa White/Pink/Rainbow/Little/Cthulhoid Sheep.'
Whilst not true, having a class sing Baa Baa Cthulhoid Sheep would be so awesome.
 

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Jonluw said:
Esotera said:
GM crops. There is literally nothing wrong with them, yet I almost guarantee by the time this thread is over someone will have tried to call me out on this, whilst producing no conclusive evidence whatsoever that they're harmful to humans. Same with aspartame...it's one of the most tested food additives in the history of humanity, and they haven't found anything wrong with it (I'm fairly sure).
There are issues like that fact that the increased survival abilities of the crops can undermine an ecosystem if they spread to the wild.
And gene modification allows companies to do rather immoral things. Such as creating a monopoly on corn.
The same could be said of traditional crops though as well...potatoes are pretty hard to get rid of once they've been planted, for example. But I get your point. GM crops really need multiple different strains for each harvest, that'd solve a lot of resistance issues we're going to see in the coming decades. No idea how corporations such as Monsanto can be taken down a peg though.
 

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Paedophilia =/= child molestation.

Whether this is a very important or just a semantic difference depends entirely on your viewpoint and personal morals, but it's still a common misconception that needs to be corrected.