Baa Baa Black Sheep now considered racist

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my reaction was
wait some one took the daily mail seriously? really? people really give a shit what that newspaper thinks? its basically a trolling news paper the IGN/4chan of the news industry and should be laughed at in the street.
Well it is the highest selling newspaper in the country, and apparently also has the highest traffic on its website of any of the newspaper online sites. So yeah, I'd say people read it and probably take it seriously. Kind of like how no matter how much left wing/socialist/liberals know that Fox is the joke of the televisual news, according to the Democratic Party-affiliated Public Policy Polling they are still considered the second most trusted news source in the country.
 

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dudes, c'mon. Food additives and GM crops?
Gaming. Gaming causing violence and aggression. Biggest load of crap ever, yet the news, possibly with no gamers amongst their journalists to offer another slant, come out every so often with how 'No Russian' is teaching kids how to be terrorists.
 

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Jonluw said:
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Jonluw said:
And gene modification allows companies to do rather immoral things. Such as creating a monopoly on corn.
Let's be fair about this, and not confuse the benefits of actually, you know, feeding people with the scumbag lawyer tricks Monsanto pulls. That's not a problem of genetic modification, that's a problem of legislators being for sale to the highest bidder.
Indeed.
I'm just saying it opens doors, and as of right now we aren't very careful with what doors we let people open.
Problem is, the EU refuses to even touch on GM crops. They have about as much credibility here as stem cell research had in the US under the Bush administration. Food packets carry 'No GM' labels as if it's a badge of achievement, and I've seen many food establishments have notices up telling people how they endeavour to never have GM ingredients as if they expect to be applauded for it. It's like having a sign up assuring people you only have gas lights and will never touch that dangerous, new-fangled electricity.

So while I agree GM crops should be carefully monitored and tested before being released for widespread use, just like you would with a new drug, I find it intensely frustrating that the EU refuses to even consider the possibility of using genetic engineering in crops. They seem to be forgetting the improved yield GM rice and wheat strains that were used in the 70s, which saved upwards of a billion people from starvation, if estimates are to be believed.

OT: The MMR vaccine fiasco. For the last goddamn time, a vaccine is not going to give your child autism. Correlation does not equal causation; the age at which autism symptoms normally appear is the same age at which the vaccine is administered. It is far more dangerous to leave your child unvaccinated against mumps, measles and rubella than to forgo it because your child may have an tiny possibility of 'catching' autism from it. Also, the way in which a couple of mothers with anecdotal evidence were presented as having an equal say in the matter to the many, many medical professionals who disproved the claim was utterly disgusting. There are still some parents who refuse the MMR vaccine for their children today thanks to this.
 

Verzin

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I'm so tired of this. Why are we all such idiots? why does everything have to be offensive?

*captcha 'hot N ready' now I'm mindlessly reciting the logo of pizza places. I feel dirty.
 

Bertylicious

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Baa Baa Black Sheep is racist. Just look at the lyrics:

Baa baa black sheep, have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full!
One for the master, one for the dame,
And one for the little boy who lives down the lane.

The hidden implication is that the White sheep, noticibly absent from the story, would be less willing to create wool and (judging from its recaliant attitude in not being immediatly present in the rhyme) more disruptive and less willing to serve.

Now that is important because the origin of the story was actually Flemish, who were renowned for their black sheep during the 17th century, although the name of the breed escapes me at this time. The White sheep, however, was at the time the prevelant breed associated with Welsh herds, the Cheviot. Flemish herd owners, in leauge with sponsers in the Government at Westminster, wished to sell their stock to England which was heavily reliant on herds in Wales and Scotland for wool production.

Now England, as we all know, was heavily orientated towards pig and bovine farming and the efforts of the Flemish herd owners undermined the important role of wool production from Wales, less so Scotland as their herds were mostly meat herds. Thus the infamous nursery rhhyme was in many ways the first salvo in a race war that would ultimately end in the infamous (and tragically mostly forgotton) Ponty Pandy massacre of 1816.

The massacre caused an uproar which in turn led to a reduction in the English-Flemish links in the upper class which has been cited as one of the influences of the 1830 Belgian uprising which, of course, resulted in the nation of Belgium.
 

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This has been the case for like 15 years. It was the very 1st thing to happen when they invented the concept of political correctness.
 

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I was going to comment how this was an old story blown out of proportion but the OP did it so I got nothing. Damn you OP you pulled the wool over our eyes with your thread title.

One popular bullshit story that the papers in Britain loved, was that offices are banning office Christmas parties and Christmas will be renamed Winterval as to not offend non-Christians. When actually Winterval was a series of public events held in Birmingham in during the winter. The name was the brilliant brain storm of Head of Events in Birmingham City Council, combining the words 'winter' and 'festival' to become 'winterval' (must of took him all day with that one). The name had nothing to do with PC rebranding of Christmas but the papers went mad with it anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterval

Also any law that the papers report that has been passed by the EU i.e. illegal to sell bananas that are too curvy or fishermen having where hair nets while fishing. It's sad how much people fall for this even when the papers admit their just making it up.

captcha: case closed
 

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Liquidacid23 said:
Verzin said:
I'm so tired of this. Why are we all such idiots? why does everything have to be offensive?
cause it's more fun that way... and people like to complain so they need stuff to complain about
It gets old. The constant bickering of what is offensive vs public outrage at censorship or marring tradition or something.

'This offends __X__ miscellaneous ethnicity/gender/religion/other. better call my lawyer!'

I'm kind of sick of it. Everything is damn well offensive to someone if they're willing to take it just the right way, but I question how much it matters: there is a line between offensive language/concept/belief and 'real' discrimination.

to be perfectly honest, I think the majority of the people who live in modernized countries and get outrage by 'offensive' things don't know what real discrimination 'is'.

as I understand it, When your situation is the same and you're prevented from having the same rights as a group that you are only different from physically, sexually, and/or in appearance. That is discrimination.

There are places in the world where you can and will be chopped to death with a hatchet for being gay. and your neighbors will call your death just because god says gays are evil.

Americans/the English to a lesser extent, on the other hand, seem to have no grounding in reality. we carry our torch of eradicating offensiveness in all forms and seem to get hyped up by the media into borderline religious fervor on these petty and completely absurd non-issues.

There are 'real' problems with discrimination in the world. But I think we've created one that's almost as big as real racism or discrimination: fear of being labeled as a discriminator.

In what kind of society is it acceptable for schools to censor relatively bland children's rhymes out of fear of offending someone?
'that school condoned use of the word BLACK SHEEP! QUICK!! someone alert the supreme court!'
 

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The 'Nuclear Disaster' at Three Mile Island.

Total Deaths: 0

Radiation Exposure: About as much as you'd get on an airplane flight.

Total Amount of Land/Food Spoiled: 0

Total Panic Level: OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAND!

Far Reaching Consequences: Hundreds of regulations and protests against a very safe and efficient power source.
 

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This whole racism stuff is ridiculous. If I'm working outside with a friend, he gets thirsty and I tell him to "use the spig" if one of my neighbors overhears that conversations I could probably get sued for racism. Fucking ridiculous these days
 

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Flailing Escapist said:
This whole racism stuff is ridiculous. If I'm working outside with a friend, he gets thirsty and I tell him to "use the spig" if one of my neighbors overhears that conversations I could probably get sued for racism. Fucking ridiculous these days
I don't know what a spig is but it sounds awful.

BAN THIS SICK FILTH!
 

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I've gotten into a few debates over the existence of Illuminati and whether or not they really run everything. I think it's a bunch of bullshit but everybody that argues with me just says "DUDE, GO LOOK AT THE YOUTUBE VIDEOS!" Which are just a bunch of weird pictures quickly edited together with creepy music and million cherry picked instances of "Illuminati" symbols which are usually from super trivial crap anyways.

Then of course the 9/11 "truthers" but I tend to avoid the topic because the theories are just so stupid and already disproven. Of course all you'll hear is "The scientists are working for the government, all of them!" Riiiiight.
 

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It's not just this. Pretty much anything that involves the word black is probably considered racist here in the UK.
Take blackboards for example: I've been told you can no longer use that word. Chalkboards is the acceptable term.

Though not racially motivated, you can no longer use the phrase 'brainstorming'. Since that might be offensive to anyone who happens to have epilepsy.
 

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TailstheHedgehog said:
dudes, c'mon. Food additives and GM crops?
Gaming. Gaming causing violence and aggression. Biggest load of crap ever, yet the news, possibly with no gamers amongst their journalists to offer another slant, come out every so often with how 'No Russian' is teaching kids how to be terrorists.
I'm not so sure, I've read a lot more studies that said they do cause aggression and aggressive behaviour than I've read studies that say they don't. Especially in younger kids, although this can be mitigated with parental oversight and intervention.

The real problem is how generalisable is this research to the real world. Certainly a lot of gamers are verbally aggressive during online play, and I've been known to shout at the TV whilst gaming, which I don't do watching TV or reading a book. Does that mean games are going to make you act violently towards your fellow man? Maybe, doubfully, but I havent seen that evidence yet.
 

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MelasZepheos said:
You see that title up there? You see that story? Currently making a comeback? It's a lie. It's not true and it never has been.
THANK GOD!

I was expecting to have to rant in here, but I am pleasantly surprised.
 

Something Amyss

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razer17 said:
I'm not so sure, I've read a lot more studies that said they do cause aggression and aggressive behaviour than I've read studies that say they don't. Especially in younger kids, although this can be mitigated with parental oversight and intervention.
Very few studies say that, and NO legit ones do. What do I consider legit? Peer reviewed papers.

Most studies do not say they cause aggression. They say that there is a correlation between the two. But as sense should tell you, correlation does not equal causation.
 

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"Humans are animals" has got quite a few absurd responses from ultra religious people saying if humans are animals we may as well just kill and rape one another because that is all animals ever do apparently, they also never coordinate effort like hunt in packs because and I have got this response several time "only humans form social bonds" such such as love or caring.

Yeah that has to be one of the most out your mind bullshit responses I have ever got.

Honorable mentions that got rejected due to the fact they are just to fucking stupid and people did it anyway.
"Italian food festival" is a racially offensive term: Italian community basically asks how the fuck that is true name does not change.

"You can not say the word "Christmas" at school! it is offensive": More or less people just laughed at this statement, no one was willing to enforce it as no one ever got offended.