Back from the dead: scientists trying to bring back mammoths

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Mammoths, which went extinct about 10,000 years ago, may once again walk the Earth.

A team of researchers will attempt to resurrect the species using cloning technologies after obtaining tissue this summer from the carcass of a mammoth preserved in a Russian mammoth research laboratory. It has already established a technique to extract DNA from frozen cells.

"Preparations to realize this goal have been made," said Prof. Akira Iritani, leader of the team and a professor emeritus of Kyoto University.

Under the plan, the nuclei of mammoth cells will be inserted into an elephant's egg cells from which the nuclei have been removed to create an embryo containing mammoth genes.

The embryo will then be inserted into an elephant's womb in the hope that the animal will give birth to a baby mammoth.

Researchers from Kinki University's Graduate School of Biology-Oriented Science and Technology began the study in 1997.

On three occasions, the team obtained mammoth skin and muscle tissue excavated in good condition from the permafrost in Siberia.

However, most nuclei in the cells were damaged by ice crystals and were unusable. The plan to clone a mammoth was abandoned.

In 2008, Dr. Teruhiko Wakayama of Kobe's Riken Center for Developmental Biology succeeded in cloning a mouse from the cells of mouse that had been kept in deep-freeze for 16 years. The achievement was the first in the world.

Based on Wakayama's techniques, Iritani's team devised a technique to extract the nuclei of eggs--only 2 percent to 3 percent are in good condition--without damaging them.

Last spring, the team invited Minoru Miyashita, a professor of Kinki University who was once head of Osaka's Tennoji Zoo, to participate in the project.

Miyashita asked zoos across the nation to donate elephant egg cells when their female elephants died.

The team also invited the head of the Russian mammoth research laboratory and two U.S. African elephant researchers as guest professors to the university. The research became a joint effort by Japan, Russia and the United States.

If a cloned mammoth embryo can be created, Miyashita and the U.S. researchers, who are experts in animal in vitro fertilization, will be responsible for transplanting the embryo into an African elephant.

The team said if everything goes as planned, a mammoth will be born in five to six years.

"If a cloned embryo can be created, we need to discuss, before transplanting it into the womb, how to breed [the mammoth] and whether to display it to the public," Iritani said. "After the mammoth is born, we'll examine its ecology and genes to study why the species became extinct and other factors."
SOURCE [http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features/science/T110108003296.htm]

Previous efforts in the 1990s to recover nuclei in cells from the skin and muscle tissue from mammoths found in the Siberian permafrost failed because they had been too badly damaged by the extreme cold.

But a technique pioneered in 2008 by Dr. Teruhiko Wakayama, of the Riken Centre for Developmental Biology, was successful in cloning a mouse from the cells of another mouse that had been frozen for 16 years.

Now that hurdle has been overcome, Akira Iritani, a professor at Kyoto University, is reactivating his campaign to resurrect the species that died out 5,000 years ago.
"Now the technical problems have been overcome, all we need is a good sample of soft tissue from a frozen mammoth," he told The Daily Telegraph.

He intends to use Dr Wakayama's technique to identify the nuclei of viable mammoth cells before extracting the healthy ones.

The nuclei will then be inserted into the egg cells of an African elephant, which will act as the surrogate mother for the mammoth.

Professor Iritani said he estimates that another two years will be needed before the elephant can be impregnated, followed by the approximately 600-day gestation period.

He has announced plans to travel to Siberia in the summer to search for mammoths in the permafrost and to recover a sample of skin or tissue that can be as small as 3cm square. If he is unsuccessful, the professor said, he will ask Russian scientists to provide a sample from one of their finds.

"The success rate in the cloning of cattle was poor until recently but now stands at about 30 per cent," he said. "I think we have a reasonable chance of success and a healthy mammoth could be born in four or five years."
SOURCE [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8257223/Mammoth-could-be-reborn-in-four-years.html]

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So it turns out that some boffins have an insane/completely logical plan to bring back the Mammoths. Now I ask you Escapees, is this a good thing in your book or is it a bad thing? Why so or why not? Oh and would you rather the mammoth come back or the Smilodons (sabretooth tigers).

I prefer the sabertooth myself..

At any rate I am not so sure about bringing back an extinct species, I mean, what purpose will a single mammoth serve (other than a massive fur coat)? I mean sure if the whole thing is successful scientists will probe and test the animal but I hardly expect the data (if any) to be new or startling. What we will have is an animal that is evolutionarily ill-equipped and stuck in some zoo/laboratory thing.. It's a cool idea to bring back the Mammoth but ultimately I think not a very high priority at the moment.

Now a T-Rex....
 

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Not a good idea at all.

Basically, they're going to create something that isn't ever going to be 100% mammoth, and then spend the next few decades poking and prodding it while it barely survives 10,000 years worth of viral evolution that it's ill-equipped to deal with.

Best case scenario, they shift it to a zoo/safari park where it can be gawped at by bored parents and dribbling children, slowly being blinded by a million flashbulbs.

They can't really release it into the wild, so what's the point, other than to prove they can?
 

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Private Custard said:
Not a good idea at all.

Basically, they're going to create something that isn't ever going to be 100% mammoth, and then spend the next few decades poking and prodding it while it barely survives 10,000 years worth of viral evolution that it's ill-equipped to deal with.

Best case scenario, they shift it to a zoo/safari park where it can be gawped at by bored parents and dribbling children, slowly being blinded by a million flashbulbs.

They can't really release it into the wild, so what's the point, other than to prove they can?
That's it: because we can.

That's why humans have done most things:

Build huge structures, go to far, hard to reach places, formulate ideas, going to the moon.

Because we can.

On topic, it's a good idea in thoery, but it just get's to complicated in pratice.
 

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Private Custard said:
Not a good idea at all.

Basically, they're going to create something that isn't ever going to be 100% mammoth, and then spend the next few decades poking and prodding it while it barely survives 10,000 years worth of viral evolution that it's ill-equipped to deal with.

Best case scenario, they shift it to a zoo/safari park where it can be gawped at by bored parents and dribbling children, slowly being blinded by a million flashbulbs.

They can't really release it into the wild, so what's the point, other than to prove they can?
Because while it's kind of pointless bringing back all these species that died out millions of years ago, if it can successfully be done to bring one extinct animal back to nature then it could be possible to use similar techniques to restore other animals that have died out or are exceptionally endangered, due to human actions. Which would be of great benefit to this planet, even if it's of no real use or benefit to bring back the mammoths. Personally, I'm intrigued, but also slightly skeptical. I'll wait for the boffins to show proper results before I'm convinced that it's a feasible idea.
 

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Uh why do they need to do this and does the mammoth even have a natural habitat anymore that's resonable?Because I can't see introducing something the size of a fucking elephant into an area like Alaska,Russia,or Canada without massive detriments to the environment.
 

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They're basically elephants with fur that aren't suited for today's climate.
Woop.
Bring back a Tyrannasaurus Rex and I'll be interested. You could win wars with that.
 

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PurpleLeafRave said:
They're basically elephants with fur that aren't suited for today's climate.
Woop.
Bring back a Tyrannasaurus Rex and I'll be interested. You could win wars with that.
Maybe strap a howitzer on it and possibly a railgun or 3?
 

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Trivun said:
Private Custard said:
Not a good idea at all.

Basically, they're going to create something that isn't ever going to be 100% mammoth, and then spend the next few decades poking and prodding it while it barely survives 10,000 years worth of viral evolution that it's ill-equipped to deal with.

Best case scenario, they shift it to a zoo/safari park where it can be gawped at by bored parents and dribbling children, slowly being blinded by a million flashbulbs.

They can't really release it into the wild, so what's the point, other than to prove they can?
Because while it's kind of pointless bringing back all these species that died out millions of years ago, if it can successfully be done to bring one extinct animal back to nature then it could be possible to use similar techniques to restore other animals that have died out or are exceptionally endangered, due to human actions. Which would be of great benefit to this planet, even if it's of no real use or benefit to bring back the mammoths. Personally, I'm intrigued, but also slightly skeptical. I'll wait for the boffins to show proper results before I'm convinced that it's a feasible idea.
Then why don't they work on currently endangered species, such as tigers, sociable lapwings, pandas, blue whales etc...?

Morbid curiosity is the driving force behind this. Humans have done many things because they want to see if they can, but most of these things have a point.

To bring an animal back after 10,000 years, just so they have a live specimen to play with, just seems a little wrong.
 

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bad thing I think its a bad idea to ressurect species that have been long dead and that dead things should remain dead but I always wanted too try mamoth meat (sounds tasty)
 

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PurpleLeafRave said:
They're basically elephants with fur that aren't suited for today's climate.
Woop.
Bring back a Tyrannasaurus Rex and I'll be interested. You could win wars with that.
but how do you top a T-rex from eating your own army? though it would still kick ass to have a T-rex in your army
 

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I'm all for it, but I'm a huge fan of scientific advancement in any area, really.

Trying to think what they could be used for, though... Maybe starting a fast-food chain that serves mammoth-burgers?
 

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If this goes well, then I imagine a whole host of opportunities would reveal themselves. I'm not a man of science so I can't say what these might be but I'm sure they'll be twice as shit-bat insane.

My only thought, I guess, is that they would keep using the newly-cloned mammoth to produce purer strains until 100% mammoth is attained. Then they get more and more until, eventually, they attempt to take over the world with an army of wooly mammoths.

Ok, that bit was a little silly, but my original statements still stand.
 

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Private Custard said:
Not a good idea at all.

Basically, they're going to create something that isn't ever going to be 100% mammoth, and then spend the next few decades poking and prodding it while it barely survives 10,000 years worth of viral evolution that it's ill-equipped to deal with.
Immunity is unrelated to genetics. It's related to the types of antibodies in the bloodstream. So what you said is ridiculous. Besides, viruses only attack specific species. Remember the end of War of the Worlds? Yeah, you see that was a movie where they made shit up. There are no viruses on Earth that can attack Martians. There are no universal viruses.

I like this idea because it will show we can still use old tissue samples to bring back extinct species. You know the Bee population is declining? Bees are needed to polinate a lot of our food. So if they go extinct...we're screwed. But if we have a tissue sample in storage, we can use this technique to reintroduce them to the wild.

There are a lot of species that are being stored in underground vaults. It would be nice to know we might be able to do something with them one day.
 

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henritje said:
PurpleLeafRave said:
They're basically elephants with fur that aren't suited for today's climate.
Woop.
Bring back a Tyrannasaurus Rex and I'll be interested. You could win wars with that.
but how do you top a T-rex from eating your own army? though it would still kick ass to have a T-rex in your army
Who says your army has to be in the area when you release the T-rex? Imagine what a mindfuck that would be for your enemies.
 

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PurpleLeafRave said:
henritje said:
PurpleLeafRave said:
They're basically elephants with fur that aren't suited for today's climate.
Woop.
Bring back a Tyrannasaurus Rex and I'll be interested. You could win wars with that.
but how do you top a T-rex from eating your own army? though it would still kick ass to have a T-rex in your army
Who says your army has to be in the area when you release the T-rex? Imagine what a mindfuck that would be for your enemies.
good point maybe we should equip them with lasers
 

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BlackWidower said:
Private Custard said:
Not a good idea at all.

Basically, they're going to create something that isn't ever going to be 100% mammoth, and then spend the next few decades poking and prodding it while it barely survives 10,000 years worth of viral evolution that it's ill-equipped to deal with.
Immunity is unrelated to genetics. It's related to the types of antibodies in the bloodstream. So what you said is ridiculous. Besides, viruses only attack specific species. Remember the end of War of the Worlds? Yeah, you see that was a movie where they made shit up. There are no viruses on Earth that can attack Martians. There are no universal viruses.

I like this idea because it will show we can still use old tissue samples to bring back extinct species. You know the Bee population is declining? Bees are needed to polinate a lot of our food. So if they go extinct...we're screwed. But if we have a tissue sample in storage, we can use this technique to reintroduce them to the wild.

There are a lot of species that are being stored in underground vaults. It would be nice to know we might be able to do something with them one day.
So a creature closely related to elephants stands no chance of catching a modern day virus then??

Even a baby elephant at Twycross Zoo, here in the UK, got ill soon after birth. Imagine what will happen to a creature that hasn't had 10,000 years to build its immune system along with the viruses of the time.

I'm all for keeping tissue samples of important creatures of our time (the bee thing is a good example). But a mammoth.......what's the point?

No-one's offered a single valid reason as to why the mammoth thing is a good idea, when there are plenty of other creatures scientists could work with.
 

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Wait, I thought we already did that?







Serial face on: No, that really wouldn't be a good idea for anything past proving we could do it. It's a waste of time and resources on something that really isn't going to benefit us much at all, let alone any mammoth they bring back to life. I say, if they have such a good plan to do it, we just give em some cake and tell em good job, we really believe you can do it, but please, just don't, ok?
 

PurpleLeafRave

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henritje said:
PurpleLeafRave said:
henritje said:
PurpleLeafRave said:
They're basically elephants with fur that aren't suited for today's climate.
Woop.
Bring back a Tyrannasaurus Rex and I'll be interested. You could win wars with that.
but how do you top a T-rex from eating your own army? though it would still kick ass to have a T-rex in your army
Who says your army has to be in the area when you release the T-rex? Imagine what a mindfuck that would be for your enemies.
good point maybe we should equip them with lasers
And armour. Maybe they'd look a bit like this.
 

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Private Custard said:
BlackWidower said:
Private Custard said:
Not a good idea at all.

Basically, they're going to create something that isn't ever going to be 100% mammoth, and then spend the next few decades poking and prodding it while it barely survives 10,000 years worth of viral evolution that it's ill-equipped to deal with.
Immunity is unrelated to genetics. It's related to the types of antibodies in the bloodstream. So what you said is ridiculous. Besides, viruses only attack specific species. Remember the end of War of the Worlds? Yeah, you see that was a movie where they made shit up. There are no viruses on Earth that can attack Martians. There are no universal viruses.

I like this idea because it will show we can still use old tissue samples to bring back extinct species. You know the Bee population is declining? Bees are needed to polinate a lot of our food. So if they go extinct...we're screwed. But if we have a tissue sample in storage, we can use this technique to reintroduce them to the wild.

There are a lot of species that are being stored in underground vaults. It would be nice to know we might be able to do something with them one day.
So a creature closely related to elephants stands no chance of catching a modern day virus then??

Even a baby elephant at Twycross Zoo, here in the UK, got ill soon after birth. Imagine what will happen to a creature that hasn't had 10,000 years to build its immune system along with the viruses of the time.

I'm all for keeping tissue samples of important creatures of our time (the bee thing is a good example). But a mammoth.......what's the point?

No-one's offered a single valid reason as to why the mammoth thing is a good idea, when there are plenty of other creatures scientists could work with.
Again, Immunity is unrelated to genetics (which is what cloning works with). It's related to the types of antibodies in the bloodstream.

The mammoth is being born today, not 10,000 years ago and being taken out of hibernation. The immunities to various diseases we are born with are not due to our genes, we get them from our birth mothers. So this mammoth will get his immunities from his birth mother, likely an elephant or something. So this mammoth will be immune to all illnesses that an elephant is immune to.

Does that make sense?