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Vigormortis

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Legion said:
A decent sequel to the original Starship Troopers film would be nice. The second and third films were just appalling and lazy.
Would you settle for a remake? There are plans in the works to "reboot" the film.

From what I've been hearing it will be less like Paul Verhoevens film and more like the original Robert A. Heinlein novel from 1959.

I'm glad the production is moving more towards the original story. I've never been fond of Verhoeven's adaptation.

Granted, there are a lot of themes and socio-political concepts brought up in the novel that I, and many others, don't "agree" with. However, the original story is still far better than the one present in the film. If perhaps a tad more "thought-heavy" than it is "action-heavy".

But really, the novel's representation of the future world was far more interesting than the films. For simplicity's sake, think of it this way:

In the film, the "roughnecks" are just a bunch of marines with goofy looking, football-padding-inspired armor and big rifles. Almost no mobile armored presence of any kind.

The bugs are a collection of...well...just bugs. Nothing special about them.

In the novel, the "roughnecks" are more like Spartans from Halo. (a series that takes a LOT of inspiration from Starship Troopers) Only, more "robust". They wear powered armor suits that allow them to jump-jet around the battlefield, drop planetside from orbit, gave them heightened senses, increased strength, etc.

Also in the novel, the bugs were a highly advanced species. Complete with their own starships, advanced particle weaponry, etc. They were also part of a "collective" of alien species. (think Covenant. (again, Halo took a lot from this novel))

From the wiki:
In addition to Heinlein's political views, Starship Troopers popularized a number of military concepts and innovations, some of which have inspired real life research. The novel's most noted innovation is the powered armor exoskeletons used by the Mobile Infantry.[24] These suits were controlled by the wearer's own movements, but powerfully augmented a soldier's strength, speed, weight carrying capacity (which allowed much heavier personal armament), jumping ability (including jet and rocket boost assistance), and provided the wearer with improved senses (infrared vision and night vision, radar, and amplified hearing), a completely self-contained personal environment including a drug-dispensing apparatus, sophisticated communications equipment, and tactical map displays. Their powered armor made the Mobile Infantry a hybrid between an infantry unit and an armored one.

Another concept the book pioneered was that of "space-borne infantry". The heavily mechanized units of M.I. troops were attached to interstellar troop transport spacecraft, which then delivered them to planetary target zones, by dropping groups of Mobile Infantrymen onto the planet surface from orbit via individual re-entry capsules (hence the book's slang term "cap troopers" for M.I. troops). The uses for such a force?ranging from smash-and-burn raids, to surgical strikes, conventional infantry warfare, and holding beachheads?and the tactics that might be employed by such soldiers are described extensively within the novel. The tactics, training, and many other aspects of this futuristic elite force are carefully detailed: everything from the function of the armored suits themselves, to the need for multiple variants of powered armor, to the training of personnel in both suit operations and the specialized unit tactics that would be needed, to the operational use of the suits in combat.

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I guess you could say, if things turn out as planned, this new Starship Troopers film could be the Halo film fans were hoping for.
 

Vigormortis

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Meatspinner said:
They already did Judge Dredd. The best movie of the decade,FACT!). So i'm happy.

Maybe a Starship Trooper movie that's closer to the book
Yes. Yes. I begrudgingly agree.

Dredd was fantastic. If a tad campy. (deliciously so)

As for Starship Troopers...look at my previous post.
 

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Tomb Raider, maybe. Possibly with Mill Jovovich, Nicolas Cage and Joseph Gordon Levitt instead of Angelina Jolie, Chris Barrie (who was fucking awesome and is fucking awesome in everything) and that other guy.

Alternatively just wipe every Uwe Boll movie from existence, make them all again in order to not totally screw up the time space continuum and redeem Alone in the Dark...
 

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Vigormortis said:
Meatspinner said:
They already did Judge Dredd. The best movie of the decade,FACT!). So i'm happy.

Maybe a Starship Trooper movie that's closer to the book
Yes. Yes. I begrudgingly agree.

Dredd was fantastic. If a tad campy. (deliciously so)

As for Starship Troopers...look at my previous post.
Dude, I had completely forgotten about the bug spaceship. All the more reason to remake it.
 
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The Room needs a sequel and it would be bad but still be hilariously bad. Joke(sorta) but seriously, the only movie that needs it that I can think off is the Green Lantern.
 

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Yeah, I could see a Punisher remake, especially after this:


revjor said:
Redo League of Extraordinary Gentleman.

but not shitty.
And this, because I actually kinda like this movie but wish I could like it more.

OT: Inception could've been a bit better. It had a cool concept but the characters and the story was a bit...flat.
 

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But, that movie isn't supposed to be standard "badass driving movie." I know it might sound like I'm talking out of my ass, but it's supposed to be a slower moving film, not a fast-paced one that's full of action.
No, I completely understand. I went into the movie knowing it would be like that. But the first scene showed his skills as a driver and how he would pay attention to details to take advantage of his surroundings and it was really interesting and well made. I can understand wanting to have a slower paced movie, but the opening scene got you excited and ready for action which I felt was wrong. When the most exciting part of the movie is the opening, it gives you the wrong impression. That, on top of the fact that the characters and story weren't exactly interesting. The main dude was really the most interesting character and I truly didn't feel a connection with anyone else. I still like the movie and thought it was well made, I just wish that if he was going to do a driving movie, he should have made a driving movie, and if he wanted to do a revenge drama, he should have done a revenge drama. I didn't feel like he meshed the two very well and it just didn't reach its full potential is all.

That's just a problem I have with movies like that, though. Because they try to play it off as "if you didn't like it, you didn't get it." No, I get that it was a slow movie. It was just a worse-than-average slow movie. I feel the same way about the American. Beautifully filmed, well acted, but other than that just long and boring with a sub-par story.
 

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Elect G-Max said:
Reboot Transformers. For the love of god, just scrap this Shia/Mumblebee story arc and start over with the Ark crew waking up in 1984.
Or better yet, set it on Cybertron. No squishy humans there!

And get High Moon Studios to assist.
 

Vigormortis

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Meatspinner said:
Dude, I had completely forgotten about the bug spaceship. All the more reason to remake it.
Now you're startin' to see why I hate the Verhoeven film so much.

I liked the concept on paper, in that he took the story in a slightly less preachy direction than the novel. (though, it's still quite preachy, just on the opposite end of the socio-political spectrum and done in a half-assed satirical way.)

However, the execution was just poorly done. The rewrites and alterations were unnecessary. The overall acting and direction mediocre. The plot riddled with more holes than the dead bugs on the battlefield.

The one redeeming factor was the special effects. Which, if I'm honest, were really damned impressive. They still (mostly) hold up today. Much like the effects in Jurassic Park.

Either way, as I said before, I'm really hopeful for this remake. Though, I'm also hoping it doesn't end up like the other remake of an old Verhoeven film; one that was also loosely based on a fantastic classic sci-fi novel. (and one I also didn't like)

*cough* Total Recall *cough*

But then, maybe I shouldn't hold my breath. I don't have that much faith in Hollywood when it comes to doing adaptations of old classics now-a-days. After all, we're talking about film producers that have decided to put Roland Emmerich in charge of directing the film adaptation of Issac Asimov's classic "Foundation" series.

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TRON! Oh... wait...

TheIronRuler said:
Waterworld has potential, but the script can be heavily rewritten and it can be a really good movie
Definitely would be up for a Waterworld sequel.

Glademaster said:
The Room needs a sequel
Haha! Sure, why not!?

I'll say U-571. Remake it exactly the same, except they're British.
 

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I really, really enjoyed Starship Troopers. I liked the book a lot too. I would love to see a worthwhile sequel though.
 

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Taken. right? RIGHT??

I have to say Transformers. First 2 was terrible (haven't seen 3rd movie) and at least 2 new movies are coming out.

Might as well just hope that it'll be good.
 

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Spawn! That movie was complete crap
Watch the animated series it was one of the best animated series out there. The only down side is it never quite finises it just sorta cuts off.
 

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2) The Punisher.
This would have to be a remake of a sequel. The oringinal Punisher was awful, missed the character by a mile and was horribly tame aside from one totally unneeded squick scene where an innocent character is horribly tortured.

Punisher Warzone...well, it tried. It started bloody well, with the origin of Jigsaw, good gore but then went all Constantine with remakes of awesome Punisher MAX characters that had almost nothing to do with the originals and sucked horribly.

You know, almost every single arc of MAX would make a good film, especially the two arcs involving the Russians. Just keep it true to the material.
The thing about the punisher is that so few people know how to write a decent punisher comic let alone a punisher movie. The trick is to focus on the side characters rather than Frank himself. Frank is always best when he is shown as almost a force of nature and we observe criminals as they attempt to avoid their fate or cops as they attempt to catch him. That is why Rukia ongoing is so great because it is focused the way I describe and that is why the MAX series was so good.
 

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Vigormortis said:
Legion said:
A decent sequel to the original Starship Troopers film would be nice. The second and third films were just appalling and lazy.
Would you settle for a remake? There are plans in the works to "reboot" the film.

From what I've been hearing it will be less like Paul Verhoevens film and more like the original Robert A. Heinlein novel from 1959.

I'm glad the production is moving more towards the original story. I've never been fond of Verhoeven's adaptation.

Granted, there are a lot of themes and socio-political concepts brought up in the novel that I, and many others, don't "agree" with. However, the original story is still far better than the one present in the film. If perhaps a tad more "thought-heavy" than it is "action-heavy".

But really, the novel's representation of the future world was far more interesting than the films. For simplicity's sake, think of it this way:

In the film, the "roughnecks" are just a bunch of marines with goofy looking, football-padding-inspired armor and big rifles. Almost no mobile armored presence of any kind.

The bugs are a collection of...well...just bugs. Nothing special about them.

In the novel, the "roughnecks" are more like Spartans from Halo. (a series that takes a LOT of inspiration from Starship Troopers) Only, more "robust". They wear powered armor suits that allow them to jump-jet around the battlefield, drop planetside from orbit, gave them heightened senses, increased strength, etc.

Also in the novel, the bugs were a highly advanced species. Complete with their own starships, advanced particle weaponry, etc. They were also part of a "collective" of alien species. (think Covenant. (again, Halo took a lot from this novel))

From the wiki:
In addition to Heinlein's political views, Starship Troopers popularized a number of military concepts and innovations, some of which have inspired real life research. The novel's most noted innovation is the powered armor exoskeletons used by the Mobile Infantry.[24] These suits were controlled by the wearer's own movements, but powerfully augmented a soldier's strength, speed, weight carrying capacity (which allowed much heavier personal armament), jumping ability (including jet and rocket boost assistance), and provided the wearer with improved senses (infrared vision and night vision, radar, and amplified hearing), a completely self-contained personal environment including a drug-dispensing apparatus, sophisticated communications equipment, and tactical map displays. Their powered armor made the Mobile Infantry a hybrid between an infantry unit and an armored one.

Another concept the book pioneered was that of "space-borne infantry". The heavily mechanized units of M.I. troops were attached to interstellar troop transport spacecraft, which then delivered them to planetary target zones, by dropping groups of Mobile Infantrymen onto the planet surface from orbit via individual re-entry capsules (hence the book's slang term "cap troopers" for M.I. troops). The uses for such a force?ranging from smash-and-burn raids, to surgical strikes, conventional infantry warfare, and holding beachheads?and the tactics that might be employed by such soldiers are described extensively within the novel. The tactics, training, and many other aspects of this futuristic elite force are carefully detailed: everything from the function of the armored suits themselves, to the need for multiple variants of powered armor, to the training of personnel in both suit operations and the specialized unit tactics that would be needed, to the operational use of the suits in combat.

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I guess you could say, if things turn out as planned, this new Starship Troopers film could be the Halo film fans were hoping for.

I haven't read the book but ive been told that there is much more of an emphasis on the recruitment and boot camp process ala Full Metal Jacket rather than the war against the arachnids.

I know there is also speculation that the reboot of the story will be considerably less violent than its predecessor.
 

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I wanna see a new max payne movie, preferably remake
i didnt mind the first one but i think everyone agrees it couldve gone better,
would be cool to see it follow the plot better as opposed to the mix and match way they did
in the film,
or have it start at the beginning of MP2 with max back as a cop and then it all going tits up again.
 

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A faithful Max Payne film. You have a revenge-noir story, go for it damn it!
Vigormortis said:
Legion said:
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Ninja'd! Adding to what this guy said, one of the screenwriters said the following in an interview. It's not a trailer but still exciting nonetheless.[sub]For a fanboy like me anyway >_>.[/sub]

Nerdist: What are you working on now?
ZS: We are working on many things. We are working on a show for the SyFy channel called The Magicians. We're waiting to find out whether it's going to go to pilot or not. We are working on the reboot of Starship Troopers for Sony. It's not a continuation of the Verhoeven films. It's actually going back to the Robert Heinlein novel and to being much more a straight ahead, World War II movie in space. We like to say, "it's From Here to Eternity in power armor."

Nerdist: Inside me is a guy screaming "ROUGHNECKS!"
ZS: Exactly. It?s all about getting Johnny Rico in the power armor.

Nerdist: As a fan of the book, Verhoeven's movies were great, but there's still a completely different movie to be made.
ZS: That's the movie we're making. I love the Verhoeven movie too. But the Verhoeven movie's essentially a satire of the book and of the first Gulf War and the kind of media culture around it. What we're doing is not an exact adaptation of the book, because there would be about 2 minutes of action and 115 minutes of philosophical lectures if it was exactly that. It's a little bit like the Peter Jackson version of Lord of the Rings. The book you remember in your mind is there, but the action is kind of blown up. We still try and have a lot of the same philosophical points, but hopefully illustrate them through doing rather than lecturing.

Nerdist: Will the science in that be accurate?
ZS: As accurate as we can make it. Let's just say the bugs will have spaceships. The bugs will be Heinlein's bugs and not shooting asteroids across the galaxy from plasma out of their butts.
This is shaping up to be the Starship Troopers film I've always wanted to see. The granddaddy of mechs and space marines finally gets its own film.