Baldur's Gate Saga - A Baby Tea LP Attempt - Part 7 Available

[Slycne]

When the main character (You!) die in BG it's a game over

What's dumber is that a Maze spell cast on the main character is an instant game over, even if you're a wizard with 25 intelligence and could break free of a Maze spell in a quarter of a second in the game

Actually the game ending when you die does make at least some context in game.

Spoiler

All the resurrection is divine magic, thus powered by deities. What god is going to want to raise the offspring of Bhaal from the dead? The good gods would all hate you, the evil gods probably think your competition and the neutral gods are too busy still trying to decide what to have for breakfast.

You could certainly still frame it narratively to work. Say you have to convert to Lawful for your Good aligned Cleric to raise you.

If you go the Arcane magic route, who doesn't love random Reincarnation tables?

 

[Amnestic]

When the main character (You!) die in BG it's a game over

What's dumber is that a Maze spell cast on the main character is an instant game over, even if you're a wizard with 25 intelligence and could break free of a Maze spell in a quarter of a second in the game

Actually the game ending when you die does make at least some context in game.

Spoiler

All the resurrection is divine magic, thus powered by deities. What god is going to want to raise the offspring of Bhaal from the dead? The good gods would all hate you, the evil gods probably think your competition and the neutral gods are too busy still trying to decide what to have for breakfast.

You could certainly still frame it narratively to work. Say you have to convert to Lawful for your Good aligned Cleric to raise you.

If you go the Arcane magic route, who doesn't love random Reincarnation tables?

True enough, though it doesn't make sense for you to lose if you're afflicted by a Maze spell (assuming Altorin was correct, I honestly can't remember). It makes more sense if you were hit by an Imprisonment, since that locks you down until you can find a Freedom to get you out and thus could potentially ruin the storyline, but...I think if you have current and present access to a Freedom spell on an ally when hit by an Imprisonment, it shouldn't send you into death mode.

Maybe there's a mod out there to fix it? Wouldn't surprise me.

I do agree about Resurrection though since that's a Divine magic.

Though, then again, that doesn't stop other Divine magic like Heal or Bless or the like. But to go yet another step forward, if a Child of Bhaal dies, doesn't their Bhaal Essence leave them? That'd ruin the story. Then again again, *spoilers* Imoen can die and be resurrected without losing their Bhaal Essence...

Golly I'm confused.

And slightly derailing the thread.

 

[Epitome]

okay well I bought the 4 in one pack off of amazon (first and second games with expansions) and I am assuming I start with 1. that is when it arrives.

Yes of course, I got the same box set before I would really really suggest leaving BG2 in the box until your ready, BG2 is by far a better game than BG1 but dont skip the first one, without following the story you will rapidly get confused in BG2 and miss out on alot of the subtext of conversations, you would probably get away with skipping tales of the sword coast if you wanted to get into BG2 though.

 

[Altorin]

(assuming Altorin was correct, I honestly can't remember)

I've ragequit enough times from a Maze spell cast on my character in BG2 to not be right about it

and yes, the duration of Maze is determined by the target's intelligence, with 25 intelligence making its duration almost instantaneously lapsed... But it removes the character from the combat, which ends your game in BG2

It just makes me laugh, because the implication is this:

Enemy Mage: MAZE!!
PC Mage: Oh shii-*Mazed*
*GAMEOVER*
PC Mage: Well, that wasn't that difficult.. Wait, what's happened? The Game's over? Damn.. what do I do now?

 

[DazZ.]

okay well I bought the 4 in one pack off of amazon (first and second games with expansions) and I am assuming I start with 1. that is when it arrives.

I advise the mods the OP is using, it's just BG1 with all the BG2 stuff. I couldn't play the first at such a low resolution either, so the widescreen mod is recommended because the game isn't made for the screen sizes we have now.

This thread has inspired me to play through Planescape Torment, as I haven't played it but really enjoyed this a few years ago.

 

[Korten12]

okay well I bought the 4 in one pack off of amazon (first and second games with expansions) and I am assuming I start with 1. that is when it arrives.

I advise the mods the OP is using, it's just BG1 with all the BG2 stuff. I couldn't play the first at such a low resolution either, so the widescreen mod is recommended because the game isn't made for the screen sizes we have now.

This thread has inspired me to play through Planescape Torment, as I haven't played it but really enjoyed this a few years ago.

can you post a link to the sites with the mods?

 

[DazZ.]

can you post a link to the sites with the mods?

Oh, I thought they were in the OP.

BG1tutu [http://www.pocketplane.net/modlist/index.php?ax=list&cat_id=98]

Widescreen/higher resolution support [http://www.gibberlings3.net/widescreen/]

 

[Korten12]

can you post a link to the sites with the mods?

Oh, I thought they were in the OP.

BG1tutu [http://www.pocketplane.net/modlist/index.php?ax=list&cat_id=98]

Widescreen/higher resolution support [http://www.gibberlings3.net/widescreen/]

thanks, he did post them just not in the OP.

 

[Korten12]

can you post a link to the sites with the mods?

Oh, I thought they were in the OP.

BG1tutu [http://www.pocketplane.net/modlist/index.php?ax=list&cat_id=98]

Widescreen/higher resolution support [http://www.gibberlings3.net/widescreen/]

sorry for asking another question, how do I intstall them? I downloaded the widescreen mod and put it in the BG folder and got an error for when I install it, . then how do I download the BG1tutu (got the folders what now what to do...)

also when I downloaded the widescreen mod, and it brings up the command pompt for it, and it says

Install Component [Widescreen Mod]?
[N]o, [Q]uit or choose one:
1] for the original Infinity Engine
2] for GemRB

I get an error for both of them saying that Baulders Gate is not supported.
Only ToB <eventually with tutut., TotSC, IWD2 and HoW currently work.

 

[DazZ.]

can you post a link to the sites with the mods?

Oh, I thought they were in the OP.

BG1tutu [http://www.pocketplane.net/modlist/index.php?ax=list&cat_id=98]

Widescreen/higher resolution support [http://www.gibberlings3.net/widescreen/]

sorry for asking another question, how do I intstall them? I downloaded the widescreen mod and put it in the BG folder and got an error for when I install it, . then how do I download the BG1tutu (got the folders what now what to do...)

also when I downloaded the widescreen mod, and it brings up the command pompt for it, and it says

Install Component [Widescreen Mod]?
[N]o, [Q]uit or choose one:
1] for the original Infinity Engine
2] for GemRB

I get an error for both of them saying that Baulders Gate is not supported.
Only ToB <eventually with tutut., TotSC, IWD2 and HoW currently work.

Follow these [http://www.pocketplane.net/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=141&Itemid=98] instructions. I would help in more detail but it's been ages since I installed it.

I think the widescreen might need tutu installed to work.

 

[GloatingSwine]

This can actually be quite the fight. Tarnesh immediately uses 'mirror image', which makes him neigh-on impossible to hit until you get rid of all the mirrored images.

Fucking Tarnesh. Him and a couple of other early mages are actually among the hardest fights in the whole game, especially if he gets mirror image and fear off and everyone starts running around like headless chickens.

For some characters the only way to win is basically to hope your first hit connects and interrupts his mirror image spell because otherwise your level 1 ass is grass (he has a good couple of levels on you).

Not sure about Planescape Torment, as *gasp*, never played it.. Probably some form of AD&D 2nd edition.

It's based on 2E, but it's something like 75% house rules. (And the way puzzle solving is emphasised it's also a version of D&D where no matter what class you are, Wis is your primary stat.

 

[GloatingSwine]

(assuming Altorin was correct, I honestly can't remember)

I've ragequit enough times from a Maze spell cast on my character in BG2 to not be right about it

and yes, the duration of Maze is determined by the target's intelligence, with 25 intelligence making its duration almost instantaneously lapsed... But it removes the character from the combat, which ends your game in BG2

It just makes me laugh, because the implication is this:

Enemy Mage: MAZE!!
PC Mage: Oh shii-*Mazed*
*GAMEOVER*
PC Mage: Well, that wasn't that difficult.. Wait, what's happened? The Game's over? Damn.. what do I do now?

That and Imprisonment, which is the even worse version (only reversable by a Freedom spell/scroll. Improved Abazigal is a complete shitnozzle because he has an auto-imprisonment when he hits 50% against the last person who hit him, so you better hope that wasn't you.

 

[Korten12]

can you post a link to the sites with the mods?

Oh, I thought they were in the OP.

BG1tutu [http://www.pocketplane.net/modlist/index.php?ax=list&cat_id=98]

Widescreen/higher resolution support [http://www.gibberlings3.net/widescreen/]

sorry for asking another question, how do I intstall them? I downloaded the widescreen mod and put it in the BG folder and got an error for when I install it, . then how do I download the BG1tutu (got the folders what now what to do...)

also when I downloaded the widescreen mod, and it brings up the command pompt for it, and it says

Install Component [Widescreen Mod]?
[N]o, [Q]uit or choose one:
1] for the original Infinity Engine
2] for GemRB

I get an error for both of them saying that Baulders Gate is not supported.
Only ToB <eventually with tutut., TotSC, IWD2 and HoW currently work.

Follow these [http://www.pocketplane.net/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=141&Itemid=98] instructions. I would help in more detail but it's been ages since I installed it.

I think the widescreen might need tutu installed to work.

well did it and now Baulder's gate wont even start...

 

[The Madman]

The BG1 Tutu mod doesn't work with the widescreen mod, however it's possible to turn up the resolution for the game in the config anyway so it's not really that big an issue. The mod BabyTea is using apparently supports widescreen, but I'm not familiar enough with it to be writing up a guide seeing as last time I used that mod was literally years ago.

But you know what, here...

Spoiler: Step by Step guide to installing BG1 TUTU

1. Download Easy Tutu if you haven't already. It's the latest version of the 'tutu' mod and is quite easily installed, thus the 'easy tutu' bit. Exact same as the other versions, don't worry!

2. Install Baldur's Gate. While installing, be sure to select custom installation, and then when the option comes up for what components to install, check all the boxes. All of them, this is important!

2. Install the expansion as well, be sure to again do like above, and choose a custom installation where you install every possible component.

3. Guess what? Install Baldur's Gate 2. This time though there's a hand 'full' installation option so you can just go ahead and choose that rather than having to manually select everything.

4. Yet more installing, this time Throne of Bhall. And again, you guessed it, it's gotta be a full installation.

It's EXTREMELY important that you have everything 'fully' installed. If components are missing, this mod and many others simply wont work.

5. You'll want to make sure both the first and second games are patched up to date as well. You can download the patches for Tales of the Sword Coast HERE and for Throne of Bhall HERE

6. Now, and only now, once you're certain you've got both the first and second Baldur's Gate games fully installed and up to date, do you run Easy Tutu. Be sure to download the ToB version of Easy Tutu, as trying to install the wrong version will cause problems. To install the mod, simply run the .exe file and follow the instructions given. It's like any other installation, just keep in mind it will take some time before its done.

What this mod does is it ports all the content from the first BG game into the much improved second games engine. That's the reason the installations must be 100%, or there will be content missing. Rather than simply copy and pasting files though, this mod creates a completely independent version of Baldur's Gate 2 which runs the BG1 content, what this means is that it will have its own directory and start up Icon. At this point you can even uninstall the first game if you like, although I would suggest waiting until you've finished all the other steps and run the game first.

7. Download and install the 'De-Greenifier', Link. You'll need to cut and paste this into the BG1 Tutu directory, which will be independent of the others. This is how I have it set up on my computer:

Copy and pase the 'EasyTutuDegreenifier' into the Tutu directory, and then run it. It'll ask if you want to install, the answer is yes, wait a few minutes, done!

Congrats. The game is now fully installed and ready to be played.

Look in your start menu, you should have something like this:

Select the config, turn all the hardware options to the maximum, then crank up the resolution as well.

Now pop the Throne of Bhall disk in, click Baldur's Gate Tutu, and enjoy!

If it works, yay, you can now uninstall the original Baldur's Gate installation if you want. Don't need it any more.

One of these days I'm going to throw together a site where I can just keep this stuff posted and link to it whenever these things come up. This isn't the first, nor the last time I suspect I'll be giving advice about Baldur's Gate.

Totally worth it though to introduce a new player to this series glory!

Good luck and enjoy!

 

[DazZ.]

Spoiler: Step by Step guide to installing BG1 TUTU

1. Download Easy Tutu if you haven't already. It's the latest version of the 'tutu' mod and is quite easily installed, thus the 'easy tutu' bit. Exact same as the other versions, don't worry!

2. Install Baldur's Gate. While installing, be sure to select custom installation, and then when the option comes up for what components to install, check all the boxes. All of them, this is important!

2. Install the expansion as well, be sure to again do like above, and choose a custom installation where you install every possible component.

3. Guess what? Install Baldur's Gate 2. This time though there's a hand 'full' installation option so you can just go ahead and choose that rather than having to manually select everything.

4. Yet more installing, this time Throne of Bhall. And again, you guessed it, it's gotta be a full installation.

It's EXTREMELY important that you have everything 'fully' installed. If components are missing, this mod and many others simply wont work.

5. You'll want to make sure both the first and second games are patched up to date as well. You can download the patches for Tales of the Sword Coast HERE and for Throne of Bhall HERE

6. Now, and only now, once you're certain you've got both the first and second Baldur's Gate games fully installed and up to date, do you run Easy Tutu. Be sure to download the ToB version of Easy Tutu, as trying to install the wrong version will cause problems. To install the mod, simply run the .exe file and follow the instructions given. It's like any other installation, just keep in mind it will take some time before its done.

What this mod does is it ports all the content from the first BG game into the much improved second games engine. That's the reason the installations must be 100%, or there will be content missing. Rather than simply copy and pasting files though, this mod creates a completely independent version of Baldur's Gate 2 which runs the BG1 content, what this means is that it will have its own directory and start up Icon. At this point you can even uninstall the first game if you like, although I would suggest waiting until you've finished all the other steps and run the game first.

7. Download and install the 'De-Greenifier', Link. You'll need to cut and paste this into the BG1 Tutu directory, which will be independent of the others. This is how I have it set up on my computer:

Copy and pase the 'EasyTutuDegreenifier' into the Tutu directory, and then run it. It'll ask if you want to install, the answer is yes, wait a few minutes, done!

Congrats. The game is now fully installed and ready to be played.

Look in your start menu, you should have something like this:

Select the config, turn all the hardware options to the maximum, then crank up the resolution as well.

Now pop the Throne of Bhall disk in, click Baldur's Gate Tutu, and enjoy!

If it works, yay, you can now uninstall the original Baldur's Gate installation if you want. Don't need it any more.

Cheers for that, I've had to go and reinstall after seeing this and not being able to get Planescape running in a window, the fact I saw a windowed mode option in one of your screenshots sealed the deal for a BG rerun.

 

[Amnestic]

One of these days I'm going to throw together a site where I can just keep this stuff posted and link to it whenever these things come up. This isn't the first, nor the last time I suspect I'll be giving advice about Baldur's Gate.

Make sure you have an explanation of THAC0 and what the 18/## means for Strength, as those are two recurring questions.

Fun Fact: It took me three playthroughs of Baldur's Gate 2 before I realised the Thief skills section could be scrolled down to level up things that weren't the first 4 on the list!

 

[Altorin]

One of these days I'm going to throw together a site where I can just keep this stuff posted and link to it whenever these things come up. This isn't the first, nor the last time I suspect I'll be giving advice about Baldur's Gate.

Make sure you have an explanation of THAC0 and what the 18/## means for Strength, as those are two recurring questions.

Fun Fact: It took me three playthroughs of Baldur's Gate 2 before I realised the Thief skills section could be scrolled down to level up things that weren't the first 4 on the list!

you and me both man

you and me both.

 

[Plinglebob]

I have tried to play this game (and BGII) multiple times but there have always been 2 things that put me off. The first is just the size of the game. Compared to modern RPGs its very wide and sprawling and so I always end up running screaming back to the nice liniarity of a Final Fantasy game. The second is I can't stand the AD&D ruleset. Even when I played PnP rules I couldn't figure out what everything meant. This means its been sat on my shelf gathering dust for 8 years.

Nuts to it. Tonight I'm going to try again. Tempted to try a Wild Mage as I love random effects tables

 

[The Madman]

I have tried to play this game (and BGII) multiple times but there have always been 2 things that put me off. The first is just the size of the game. Compared to modern RPGs its very wide and sprawling and so I always end up running screaming back to the nice liniarity of a Final Fantasy game. The second is I can't stand the AD&D ruleset. Even when I played PnP rules I couldn't figure out what everything meant. This means its been sat on my shelf gathering dust for 8 years.

Nuts to it. Tonight I'm going to try again. Tempted to try a Wild Mage as I love random effects tables

Wild Mage are easily my favorite class, every spell is like a little gamble sometimes with good results better than you could have expected, sometimes funny, and every once and awhile the worst thing that could have happened. That said, I'm not sure I'd recommend playing one to someone not very familiar with the D&D system the game uses, especially if you're not a fan.

Regardless, give the game an honest shot. The game may be huge and sprawling, but it isn't like Oblivion where the plot is negligible and quickly forgotten. The Story in Baldur's Gate 1 and especially 2 are fantastic, as are the characters. Not something to be missed if you're a fan of games with a strong narrative!