Ballad (?) of an ex-goth

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I was an alternative kid (I listened to a lot of nu/alternative/heavy/thrash/british new wave metal), I had long hair (my hair is dark naturally), had a tendancy to be a bit of a loner and I briefly dated a goth so I occasionally got labelled as such, but it didn' really fit with how I acted around my friends. I was just an angsty kid who hated school and distanced himself from it.
 

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Erana said:
Mookie_Magnus said:
Ughh... No one cares.

No one cares if you were a gothic child in your past... What matters is the present and the future, if that even matters at all.

I could post a long existential rant about the pointlessness of cliques and what-not... But no... In the end, it won't even matter. Hell, I don't even know why I'm posting in this pointless thread... it adds nothing to the completely shallow discussion.
All threads are pointless.
Except maybe that one about catching that pedophile...

Still, I wear a lot of black, and I do have an apreciation for NIN'n such, but by no means am I goth.
Oh if you're a goth you're not actually allowed to like NIN. It's one of the "rules". Seriously.

Goths hate NIN because he is seen as commercialising industrial music and if there's one thing goths look down on it's being popular with people outside of their social clique. Goths are very snobby and like to be an exclusive club wearing their badge of "you don't understand me".
 

Erana

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BonsaiK said:
Erana said:
Mookie_Magnus said:
Ughh... No one cares.

No one cares if you were a gothic child in your past... What matters is the present and the future, if that even matters at all.

I could post a long existential rant about the pointlessness of cliques and what-not... But no... In the end, it won't even matter. Hell, I don't even know why I'm posting in this pointless thread... it adds nothing to the completely shallow discussion.
All threads are pointless.
Except maybe that one about catching that pedophile...

Still, I wear a lot of black, and I do have an apreciation for NIN'n such, but by no means am I goth.
Oh if you're a goth you're not actually allowed to like NIN. It's one of the "rules". Seriously.

Goths hate NIN because he is seen as commercialising industrial music and if there's one thing goths look down on it's being popular with people outside of their social clique. Goths are very snobby and like to be an exclusive club wearing their badge of "you don't understand me".
Oh...
Well, that's just silly.
 

BonsaiK

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Erana said:
BonsaiK said:
Erana said:
Mookie_Magnus said:
Ughh... No one cares.

No one cares if you were a gothic child in your past... What matters is the present and the future, if that even matters at all.

I could post a long existential rant about the pointlessness of cliques and what-not... But no... In the end, it won't even matter. Hell, I don't even know why I'm posting in this pointless thread... it adds nothing to the completely shallow discussion.
All threads are pointless.
Except maybe that one about catching that pedophile...

Still, I wear a lot of black, and I do have an apreciation for NIN'n such, but by no means am I goth.
Oh if you're a goth you're not actually allowed to like NIN. It's one of the "rules". Seriously.

Goths hate NIN because he is seen as commercialising industrial music and if there's one thing goths look down on it's being popular with people outside of their social clique. Goths are very snobby and like to be an exclusive club wearing their badge of "you don't understand me".
Oh...
Well, that's just silly.
Yes... yes it is.
 

AvsJoe

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I was never 'goth' or 'emo', but I did have a spell of depression around grade 9. I got bored of it though so I changed cliques from the depressed losers to the gamers. In retrospect I call it one of the better decisions I made in my highschool career.
 

Onichanbura

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I was all around everything. There wasn't a term for what I was, but everyone knew my name.
 

Shadowed Intent

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Wow, so many people seem to think they know what Goth is when they know very very little.

Then again, that really isn't anything new.

(oh and also, stereotyping and generalizations aren't cool kids)
 

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This is one of the few reasons I'm glad to be in the tropics: anyone tries to dress like a Goth here, natural selection takes care of them.

Admittedly, I've never met one, so I can't tell if they're really as weird as people on the TV/internet say they are.
 

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BonsaiK said:
Oh yeah and goths hate emos just as much as everyone else. Probably more so than anyone else actually because it burns them hardcore when someone tars them with the "emo" brush. If you confuse emo and goth in the presence of a goth, once again the "snob factor" kicks in and they will exclude you from the social group.
This is very true. I'm an emo at my school, I don't mind, I like black, heavy music, and whatnot. But I am able to tell the difference between a goth and an emo by simply looking at the person sometimes. I'd rather be emo. My friends are so nice..

Here's a good way to tell a goth from an emo(kind of stereotypical)
-emos like music with high vocals, such as Hawthorne Heights or Chiodos.
-goths like music with lower vocals, such as..Well well,I can't think of any bands.

But whatever floats your boat. I think Goth is cool. Except for an annoying gothic aquaintance of mine who never leaves me alone..She's far too happy..
 

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I've always pretty much been a goth. They're my favourite social group to hang out with and i get on with all but the pretentious. But at the same time i'm not really anything. My music tastes are too varied to make me a goth, and all my goth friends respect the fact that I enjoy being athletic(but not sporty), and will occaisionally get stoned with hippies and listen to pink floyd, or spray graffiti and beat up chavs with a load of crusty punks.
 

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Shadowed Intent said:
Wow, so many people seem to think they know what Goth is when they know very very little.

Then again, that really isn't anything new.

(oh and also, stereotyping and generalizations aren't cool kids)
Tell me about it. So many people think they know what Goth is all about and really have no clue. Not that I was ever trying to tell them anyways.

Here are some good examples of real Goth music.

The Sisters of Mercy - Lucretia, My Reflection - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuezNswtRfo
The Cure - A Forest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZRJebBEVz0
Clan of Xymox - "Jasmine & Rose" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uPw2o1wZRg
Sunshine Blind - Release - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muG6Zo0UaBs
Bauhaus -Dark Entries - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40fIaC7Z-us
Faith And The Muse - Elyria - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ64BIS3ooc

I am also still Goth/Industrial on the inside. I may dress semi-normal now, but I still listen to the same music. Makes me miss the clubs in San Fransisco. Now that I am back in N California I will have to go back to see how Death Guild and such are doing.
 

shadowstriker86

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its funny cause i just read through all these posts, and apparently theres a regional difference in definition. but anywho, where im from if you wore all black and you werent a preppy kid you were considered a goth. didnt matter if there was an in-between category of emo along with it, you were just a goth. also the group i hung out with werent the excluding type unless you tried to rape someone.
 

Fritzvalt

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I had gothish tendencies, but never really fit into the whole goth thing completely. I definately wore a lot of black and this was before the whole emo idea got going so big.
 

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shadowstriker86 said:
So i saw the "ex-japanophile" thread (for some reason thinking that it was some guy confessing that he liked schoolgirls in japan) and it made me think about my old middle school and high school years as a goth kid. Not a wannabe vampire kid, just a kid who dressed in all black, never said a word, listened to dark music, hung out with other people dressed like me who also liked to smoke pot and eat twinkies afterwards. I know there are different levels that people have made up, things that involve being a goth and all that, but thats who i was before i graduated 7 months early and left to explore the world. Any others out here in the escapist who have been in this type of experience or am i the only one willing to admit it? :p
Are you from the US or the UK
 

shadowstriker86

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jamesworkshop said:
shadowstriker86 said:
So i saw the "ex-japanophile" thread (for some reason thinking that it was some guy confessing that he liked schoolgirls in japan) and it made me think about my old middle school and high school years as a goth kid. Not a wannabe vampire kid, just a kid who dressed in all black, never said a word, listened to dark music, hung out with other people dressed like me who also liked to smoke pot and eat twinkies afterwards. I know there are different levels that people have made up, things that involve being a goth and all that, but thats who i was before i graduated 7 months early and left to explore the world. Any others out here in the escapist who have been in this type of experience or am i the only one willing to admit it? :p
Are you from the US or the UK
i r from teh u.s.
 

Skeleon

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Erm, no.
While I liked (and still like) black clothing, I also like white, grey and sand-coloured.
I listened to a variety of music, none if it particularily "dark".
The only thing remotely goth about me was (and is) my amount of coffee-consumption.
 

RavingPenguin

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I never was a goth, I was close though. I earned the title of "Beast" in highschool. I was always the quiet one, the calculating one, the one you didn't cross. If someone did happen to cross the line they got a warning blow, maybe a hard shove or punch to the gut. If they pressed further I used to open a can of whoop-ass on them. Then I became the raver I am today and mellowed out quite a bit.
 

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Because goth culture is 100% superficial, anyone can be one. You just have to adopt any one of the "officially certified gothic appearances" and pretend to like the same music other goths do if you're out at a club or something (it helps if you actually like it, but if you can fake it, that will do). In real terms, anyone can be a "goth" just by dressing up on the weekend, it's actually not that different to cosplay and can be a lot of fun. Girls who are a bit self-conscious about their figure really like it in particular because they get to justify wearing corsets in public. This has its benefits.

Of course, people deep into a gothic subculture tend to have a really snobby attitude and therefore find the idea of "normals" infiltrating their group a bit abhorrent. Part of how goths as a social group operate is by insisting that other people "don't understand what Goth really is", which then allows them to include or exclude whoever they like based on arbitrary rules concerning music, fashion and appearance - items in goth culture which have social value and exist primarily as a mechanism for inclusion/exclusion. This is a social sleight-of-hand because Goth isn't really "about" anything once you dig beneath these social signifiers and that's one of the things that defines it. For example "real goth music" doesn't really exist on any sort of musical level. There is no functional, measurable musical difference between The Cure's "A Forest" period and a lot of other equally maudlin pop music that was being produced at around the same time, but the difference does exist aesthetically (hair, fashion), and also ethnomusicologically, because it is the "tribe of certified goth opinion" which decides what is "real goth music", as opposed to any objective standard which can be measured in musical terms. This can vary from region to region and also depending on who they think is trying to infiltrate the group. In the 80s pop music was close to what was considered goth at the time, so it was the pop fans who were excluded. Nowadays it's metalheads and emos that they don't like, because some metal and emocore is veering towards themes that were once exclusively the domain of goths - tell a group of goths that you like Evanescence or My Chemical Romance and watch their heads spin around like Linda Blair. You would actually get a better reaction from them if you say you like Madonna.

Yes there are exceptions to everything stated above, but I have observed everything that I have written about here first-hand.
 

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MaxTheReaper said:
I would probably care more if you were gay and named Tony.
Also if your story began with a "The."

Anyway, no, I was never "goth."
I wore/wear black exclusively because I like the color, and I occasionally wear make up, but that's as close as I get.
wait a minute gay? tony? The ballad of gay tony? do i get a cookie? :D unless its just a coincidence :(