Bands these days, those sell-outs.
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Not to mention that continuing to release albums for the fans costs money. That's why it also annoys me when people are legitimately upset when their favorite "underground" artist/group becomes well-known, just because it's not edgy and obscure anymore.MaxTheReaper said:
They were a hardcore band with some decent songs. Now they're a pop punk band with breakdowns.In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with that. They're trying to appeal to a larger audience. I don't really like them anymore, but I can appreciate what they're doing, where as purists want their hardcore stuff back.Lukirre said:
I'm pretty sure "Either die of hunger or..." is a little extreme.xxhazyshadowsxx said:
If a band is labeled "sell outs" they obviously have a large enough following to not be in a change my music or die situation....
In my opinion, I like when bands evolve, and you can watch their music mature throughout the years. If you listen to their first album, and then their latest, they're vary different. It doesn't make them sellouts though.
Not to say that some bands don't sell-out, because plenty do.
Like Glerken pointed out, I do think some people are exaggerating here. Most bands that are being accused of "selling out" weren't exactly "starving" when they changed their style.
The only bands that really bug me with it are punk bands or bands that call themselves punk. I'm looking at you, Greenday. If you complain about consumerism and then aim your complete next album at the masses going mainstream completely, you're nothing more but a horrible hypocrite. I can't listen to people of which I know they are horrible hypocrites, regardless of how good their music is.
On the other hand, I'm not one of those hardcore punks who believes that every band that has ever released a record cannot possibly be 'true punk' and is per definition horrible music. If you just listen seriously to Bad Religion's lyrics, one simply HAS to come to the conclusion that at the very least Greg Graffin is a brilliant man. With that thought in the back of my mind, Bad Religion would have to do something very drastic before I'd be able to stop listening to them and call them sell-outs.
The only bands that really bug me with it are punk bands or bands that call themselves punk. I'm looking at you, Greenday. If you complain about consumerism and then aim your complete next album at the masses going mainstream completely, you're nothing more but a horrible hypocrite. I can't listen to people of which I know they are horrible hypocrites, regardless of how good their music is.
On the other hand, I'm not one of those hardcore punks who believes that every band that has ever released a record cannot possibly be 'true punk' and is per definition horrible music. If you just listen seriously to Bad Religion's lyrics, one simply HAS to come to the conclusion that at the very least Greg Graffin is a brilliant man. With that thought in the back of my mind, Bad Religion would have to do something very drastic before I'd be able to stop listening to them and call them sell-outs.
I lost interest in what anyone had to say on the subject of music years ago. Back in college, id guess, after listening to what every twat had to say on the subject.
I don't need someone else telling me why the music i'm listening to lowers my value as a human being. If I want to listen to (insert band name here) i'll listen to em, and i don't care if someone else tells me they sold out or not.
I don't need someone else telling me why the music i'm listening to lowers my value as a human being. If I want to listen to (insert band name here) i'll listen to em, and i don't care if someone else tells me they sold out or not.
You kiddin'?thiosk said:
Those guys are terrible.
There are bands out there who quite clearly sell out and then insult the fan base that shows concern for them.Mozared said:
Those bands annoy the hell out of me as well.
For example, Slipknot deserved the title of Nu-Metal in their Iowa phase, when they didn't completely suck. (I know, crucify me.)
Then they released Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses. That wasn't too bad, all they did was refine their sound.
But their most recent release...I'm sorry, I just can't look at that as anything more than corporate whoring.
They used to have something distinct about them, then they tossed it away and became just another band.
They continued to say "If people say we sold out, then they can go fuck themselves. We don't need people like that."
How...professional.
That's the reason I don't listen to super popular bands. Is it selling out? or is it just artistic burn out?
True, many people are very quick to call out bands for "selling out" but in some case's certain bands really do sell out and change their style completely until there not even the same band anymore.MaxTheReaper said:
^ Correction: They're the same band but they have a different sound.
Also, could someone give me the tags for bolded, underlined, and italicized text?
Also, could someone give me the tags for bolded, underlined, and italicized text?
Would Linkin Park count as sell outs because at one point, didn't they do an album with Jay-Z? They were a rock group who got a hip-hop artist involved with their music to expand their sales? Also, I don't really know why some people consider Weezer to be sell outs because of Beverly Hills. They were parodying the celebrity lifestyle and they released an album of songs(Red Album)that the record company suggested they don't because they might lose sales.
I think there is a definitive line between evolving, and selling out.
Take Lamb of God for example, Wrath was hugely different then anything they have done before. Mixing in thrash, groove, death and core type sounds in a way that really worked. Was definitely an evolution, and a great one at that. It sold well (their best effort yet I believe), but even the hardcore metalheads still loved it. But then take In Flames, nothing new or revolutionized and nothing better in their new stuff. Pretty much it was the same as their old stuff except with more power chords, less solo's, a piss weak growl and almost "emo sounding" clean singing. That is not evolution, that is just making their music worse for the purpose of appealing to the masses (and they still haven't really done that yet).
I mean even the dreaded "nu metal" sell out phase to alternative was at least better in some ways. It got rid of the rap, way more complexity and less boring low power chords over and over again. Who cares if the bands rarely growl anymore, they made their music better. But this was not the case with In Flames and Metallica's Saint Anger (lets take out every solo and do power chords for 8 minutes each song yay!), which are just prime examples of "sell outs".
Take Lamb of God for example, Wrath was hugely different then anything they have done before. Mixing in thrash, groove, death and core type sounds in a way that really worked. Was definitely an evolution, and a great one at that. It sold well (their best effort yet I believe), but even the hardcore metalheads still loved it. But then take In Flames, nothing new or revolutionized and nothing better in their new stuff. Pretty much it was the same as their old stuff except with more power chords, less solo's, a piss weak growl and almost "emo sounding" clean singing. That is not evolution, that is just making their music worse for the purpose of appealing to the masses (and they still haven't really done that yet).
I mean even the dreaded "nu metal" sell out phase to alternative was at least better in some ways. It got rid of the rap, way more complexity and less boring low power chords over and over again. Who cares if the bands rarely growl anymore, they made their music better. But this was not the case with In Flames and Metallica's Saint Anger (lets take out every solo and do power chords for 8 minutes each song yay!), which are just prime examples of "sell outs".
