Barack Obama legalizes Marijuana

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Maheemo

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TH3Adv3rs4ry said:
Maheemo said:
All the worlds problems can be solved with marijuana, sex and a Street Fighter tournament
run for office. I would vote for you.
(pretty much sums up my last year of uni........good times)
Well that makes one vote, but it wouldn't count anyway since I'm not born in America. Perhaps people would think it would be so nice with a drug-liberal Swede that they would change the constitution :)
 

Jinx_Dragon

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"Space colonisation to receive priority"

Sorry, ever since the USSR fell apart there no longer seems any 'my dick is bigger then yours' competition in our space exploration. Without that drive most space exploration and advancement was quickly pushed to the back burner. It was no longer 'cool' and only nerds seemed interested in it, so understandably it was all but shelved. Without that drive it is unlikely we will colonise anything until PRIVATE interests take... well a interest. Then you can bet the habitats on Mars or another star will, primarily, be sweat shops operating outside of earth based laws.

Cause if I had the money to build on Mars you can bet I would want a return on my investment. Fastest way, without those pesky laws, would be massive industry plants that use slave labour. I'm a decent enough guy, I think, and even I would do that!


How about:
"USA to move away from a war economy."

Nothing starts war faster then making sure your primary industry is based around pumping out bombs you then have to justify buying to a budget committee. Fastest way to 'need more bombs' is to... drop the ones you have on something. If you try and stop dropping the bombs your economy goes to hell and following it, your country... hence the term war economy.

No war based economy means less bullshit wars.
 

Jinx_Dragon

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You make a valid point. Personally, I'm a fan of free trade.
I've always wanted to pull this argument apart, the problem is it is a 'grey area' one. The free market advocates over state and over value how much trade will effect peace but they are not 100% wrong. Trade does decrease the likelihood of war! Both countries profit only a little less from open boarders and, regulated*, trade agreements then they would from taking over each others nation in a long, crippling, war. That little less isn't, normally, a large enough chunk of the pie to justify such a massive, risky and expensive military undertaking to get the whole of the pie. Worse, that could very well fail to archive the goal of more pie and leave you with less, or maybe none! It is much easier to share the pie, even if you are not getting as much as you would if you conquered the pie.

Hmmmm... when did I start making this all about pie? Damn you Penn and Teller and your pies!

Yet, in history, there have been MANY cases where nations have gone to war because of trade. The USA is a big example of this, with dozens if not hundreds of 'military actions' around the world that where designed because they did not like who they where trading with. It has got to the point that some of the greatest war hero have come forth and called themselves racketeers. Pointing out that they went to war not because of some moral and justified reasoning, but to ensure a more favourable outcome for a small group of rich families who would give a better deal in a trade then the 'other guys.' War not to make it possible for trade to exist but to ensure one side is getting a bigger chunk of the pie then they would otherwise have gotten in a fair and free market.

The free marketers don't like acknowledging this reality: That wars have started because of trade!

Trade does NOT bring around world peace... world peace brings about trade, which AFTERWARDS becomes one of MANY reasons not to start a war. While it is part of the puzzle it not the whole and can't be trumpeted as 'the solution.'

*If, for example, China wanted to sell lead filled toys for tots the USA should have the rights to say no...

Added: PS - Sorry for being off topic, I just never had a chance to state that!
 

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axia777 said:
The good thing is that all of the budget shortfall issues for Cali will be fixed by this one thing being legalized. It will truly be a great thing for us people here in the Golden(GREEN) State. Just wait for 2010. It will be on the ballot for the public to vote on and the public here in Cali loves jah herbage.
Sadly the federal government, whom doesn't care about the bill of rights let alone the 10th, will still raid and arrest people. The courts will still, as they are now, uphold that the federal law trumps state (which it was never meant to... hence the 10th!) and many rail-roaded cases will be presented with many going the way of Ed Rosenthal*. Yet with real sentences even after the jury finds out just how badly they where played.

And the supreme... beh, they are stacked so heavily with pro-federal appointed positions that we can be sure the 10th will be well and truly dead if even one case gets to them.

*For those not in the know. Ed was HIRED by the state of California to grow cannabis for a medical initiative. Openly doing so he was arrested and tried for breaching FEDERAL law. In his court case he was forbidden, yes FORBIDDEN, to mention that he was hired by the state or that it was for medical use. This left him with no defence, not even able to point out the obvious entrapment, and a mountain of evidence of growing cannabis.

What few members of the jury that might of taken pity on him, or thought that growing cannabis shouldn't be that big of a deal was silenced by the judge. In closing this judge told the jury members that they HAD to fine Ed guilty. A few have come forth and said they would of been willing to acquit but they felt, had they done so, then they would be facing prison sentences themselves! None of them where informed of their right, as a jury, to rule anyway they saw fit... no they where told they had to find him guilty, or else.

The jury only found out the truth after he was convicted, and my where they pissed. Under public pressure the judge tried to save his own balls by only sentencing ed to time served. Some people in the court system didn't like what had happened and even tried to get said judge disbared! No, not for the behaviour the judge showed during this trial or the way the defence was forbidden to actually defend Ed. No they where pissed the judge gave him time served! That is the federal court system for you....

They also tired to get the sentence raised to the normal federal levels. A sentence that would of put this man behind bars for the rest of his life as the minimal is LONGER then most murderers get. I kid you not, growing and distributing a plant will get you anywhere from a few decades to even life in a high security prison if you are charged under federal law!

Outrage... you better be, I still am and it is years later!
 

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kaiZie said:
News just in: WoW is now free to play, and any accounts that have been paying for more than 6 months get all their money back! Blizzard has seen the light and free'd the world from it's evil clutches of monthly subscriptions!
I'd be rich :(
 

CrysisMcGee

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Joens said:
kaiZie said:
News just in: WoW is now free to play, and any accounts that have been paying for more than 6 months get all their money back! Blizzard has seen the light and free'd the world from it's evil clutches of monthly subscriptions!
I'd be rich :(
Lol so would I. Played that game for over a year.
 

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CrysisMcGee said:
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ah ah, prostitution legal here

(New Zealand)
hmmm...sounds like a nice place to live. Perhapes I will visit.
I may shoot myself in the foot here, but you can't tell our girl hookers from our man-hoes.

Anyway, don't let our butt ugly hookers scare you off.
 

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For those who care:

Accept the facts ? and end this futile 'war on drugs' [http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-accept-the-facts-ndash-and-end-this-futile-war-on-drugs-1818167.html]

The proponents of the "war on drugs" are well-intentioned people who believe they are saving people from the nightmare of drug addiction and making the world safer. But this self-image has turned into a faith ? and like all faiths, it can only be maintained by cultivating a deliberate blindness to the evidence. The facts will only undermine the war, so invent some that show how successful we are, fast.

In 1998, the Office of National Drug Control Policy was ordered by Congress to stop funding any scientific research that might give the impression that we should redirect funding from anti-trafficking busts into medical treatment of addicts, or that there is any argument to legalise, regulate or medicalise drug use. So, to give a small example, the ONDCP spent $14bn on anti-cannabis adverts aimed at teenagers, and $43m to find out if the ads worked. They discovered that kids who saw the ads were more likely afterwards to get stoned, so the evidence was suppressed, and the ad campaign marched on.

On 1 July 2001, Portugal decriminalised the possession of all drugs, including heroin and cocaine. You can have and use as much as you like for your own needs, and if you are caught, the police might refer you to a rehab programme, but you will never get a criminal record. (Supplying and selling remains illegal.) The prohibitionists predicted a catastrophic rise in addiction, and even I ? an instinctive legaliser ? was nervous.

Now we know: overall drug use actually fell a little. As a major study by Glenn Greenwald for The Cato Institute found, among Portuguese teenagers the fall was fastest: 13-year-olds are four per cent less likely to use drugs, and 16-year-olds are six per cent less likely. As the iron law of prohibition predicts, the use of hard drugs has fallen fastest: heroin use has crashed by nearly 50 per cent among the young who were not yet addicted.
My spoon is not too big. I just need a bigger pot to stir. :)
 

MiserableOldGit

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Maheemo said:
All the worlds problems can be solved with marijuana, sex and a Street Fighter tournament
Nah, never work- too many arguments would arise over whether or not picking Ryu after playing as Ken constitutes choosing a new character or merely living off the same one...
 

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MiserableOldGit said:
Maheemo said:
All the worlds problems can be solved with marijuana, sex and a Street Fighter tournament
Nah, never work- too many arguments would arise over whether or not picking Ryu after playing as Ken constitutes choosing a new character or merely living off the same one...
I have actually had this argument.