Batman did kill in the movies. Why no outcry?

[RavingSturm]

Ive always felt the no kill thing is a MUCH bigger deal with superman than with Batman. Superman refusing to kill is the reason Lex Luthor or 90% of villains that go up against superman have any chance whatsoever of achieving their villanous goals, So I think they should definitely make him stick to that rule moving forward if they want him to face anything below kryptonian in raw power(like Batman...) I can see the Zod thing working if its treated as a super traumatic event(Superman just genocided his own people, maybe he gets a chance to bring them back later but from his POV thats a fact) an event that makes him swear never to kill again.

Batman refusing to kill was terrible though. I always thought Harveys death was accidental, but I was really rankled when he went all "I dont have to save you" In the first one. YES YOU DO BATMAN!!!

Cmon, thats just flat out killing him Batman.

Actually, Batman does have a self-imposed no killing rule. Superman does not. There was actually a recent Adventures of Superman issue where it showed Joker going to Metropolis to meet big red for the first time. Joker planted bombs all over the city, Supes kept him talking long enough, accusing Superman of being vague and such, so he could locate them all. Then he just collected them and brought them back to Joker daring him to set them off. He calmly told Joker it would only kill himself as grabbing any falling debris would be a simple matter for Superman. Joker balked at this, trying to tell him that Superman doesn't kill people. Superman's response was pretty badass to be honest.

"Batman doesn't kill people. I just generally don't. Like you said, I'm vague."

Superman could be bullshitting there. Both Superman and Batman have plenty of scenarios where they imply they will kill to intimidate and coerce, just they don't mention their threats are hollow. What are people supposed to think when Batman dangles baddies off the sides of buildings?

I guess this would depend on the writer. The new 52 Superman is different from the boyscout he replaced after the universe reboot.

 

[Phil the Nervous]

Superman killing Zod isn't really out of character though, He's the same guy who stabbed a guy's truck with a telephone pole in the start of the movie. Mos superman is just... like that

 

[LetalisK]

Personally, I'm fine with super heroes killing. I'm actually pretty sick of the gargling people do of the no-killing concept which is just a transparent mechanic of not having to come up with a thousand new villains because they all get killed off. What irritated me about the Superman scene is that he's struggling to control Zod's head...then suddenly snaps it. What?

 

[Iron_Man_977]

I think his death was meant to be accidental but with someone with as much training as batman should have been able to restrain him pretty easily as he was uninjured from the gunshot since he wears armor so I thought the same thing. I think it was the intent to be seen as accidental but it didn't look that way.

It is surprising Bob hasn't mentioned it to my knowledge since he seems to be on a dc hate spree ever since man of steel came out.

I'm actually fairly certain he was injured. At the beginning of the movie, we see him attacked by dogs, and they are able to get through his armor, as seen by his injuries in the later scene. Keep in mind, this is before he gets the new armor, which according to Fox, has even less protection. Last i checked, most bullets do more damage than dogs. Also, after saving the kid, Batman falls from the ledge he's holding on to. Do you really think Batman wouldn't have the upper body strength to pull himself up, or at least enough to hang on and not fall a few stories. I choose to think that Harvey missed all the vital organs and shit and Batman played dead, which was made much easier by the bullet hole.

As for it whether or not batman could have taken him, I think he could have, but since Harvey had a child in his arms and was pointing a gun at his head and threatening to kill him and his parents, he had a sort of flashback to when his parents died and thought something along the lines of 'I can't let this happen to this boy' so he acted with saving the lives of the others as his first priority, knocking down the whole "don't kill people" to "if you could not kill him, that'd be awesome, but if not... oh well"

 

[Dark Knifer]

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Fair enough, I forgot about the armor detail, still seems odd its not bulletproof but then again he did live quite comfortably, just an injury.

Well guess that wraps that up.