Batman: Discuss.
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Some of the people he fights arent poor....Lalo Lomeli said:
and so what if they are sometimes. Theyre still breaking laws, pointing guns at people, endangering lives of others or making others lives worse.
But he mostly goes after gangsters and of course, his villains who dont really care who they hurt.
I never got how Robin and Batman were gay...TehCookie said:To be honest they are pretty gay...Imthatguy said:
Batman and Joker, on the other hand? There's clear sexual tension there. Not to mention most of Batman's villains seem to
Anyway, I always liked Batman for the villains. The Riddler, Scarecrow, Penguin, Bookworm (bring him back, DC!) Catwoman...
Spider-Man might be my favourite American superhero, but Batman has the best Rogues gallery.
It's an interesting issue to speculate on how mad his villains are, really. Depends on one's definition of madness, certainly.
Someone like Mad Hatter is so removed from reality I can see he'd be thrown in an asylum, but someone like Scarecrow? He knows full well what he is doing (and sometimes he is thrown in prison instead. I always thought he just faked madness, something he could do easily enough, to avoid prison). Or The Riddler. He certainly has issues, but if anything, they don't make him commit crimes, they make him more easy to catch. And narcissism is not something that would help you avoid a prison-sentence.
My theory is that Arkham has the facilities needed to contain villains with super-powers(even if they are kinda bad at keeping them there), so they just throw all Batman's villains there because it's easier and they have the facilities.
And even still, villains like Scarecrow often enough end in prison instead.
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Also, of course it depends a lot on which incarnation of the character we are talking about.
My favourite Batman? Adam West version. Sure, some other Batmans might have had better stories, but as a person, I actually like that Batman. He isn't a jerk. He is a nice person.
Also, the 60's tv-series is awesome.
Seriously... they get it spot on! They are 2 angry guys with such different ethics that they were destined not to get along!
I do like Batman, especially all the darker stuff, and even more when Robin is not involved!!
Ok, on the Arkham city issue... Unfortunately... Arkham city is not exactly a good story. Its vastly inferior to Arkham asylum. So if it is indeed present, which is questionable, It is a symptom of the subpar writing that plagued that entire game. That who exchange PLUS giving batman a sword and a gun? Granted it was a pulse rifle, but its still a damned gun.
As for the Char... I think Batman IS in fact the most interesting part of the story. On the outside he looks cold/stoic/emotionless like a stone, but the char of batman is steep in subtlety, which makes sense. If you have someone who is "the worlds greatest detective" invariably that individual will also have steeep walls built up to protect himself.
Then there is the angle of balancing the code with being mentally unstable. Basically its something that is the foundation for something like the TV series Dexter, but again with subtlety instead of constantly beating you over the head with the obvious.
I think the real key of it all though, is actually.... Terry McGinnis. Thats where massive amounts of depth of batman come out. When you see that Bruce is finally left to wallow in infuriating old age and forced to contend with his life long control issues in relenting some of that control to another in a way he really never was forced to do before.
As for the Char... I think Batman IS in fact the most interesting part of the story. On the outside he looks cold/stoic/emotionless like a stone, but the char of batman is steep in subtlety, which makes sense. If you have someone who is "the worlds greatest detective" invariably that individual will also have steeep walls built up to protect himself.
Then there is the angle of balancing the code with being mentally unstable. Basically its something that is the foundation for something like the TV series Dexter, but again with subtlety instead of constantly beating you over the head with the obvious.
I think the real key of it all though, is actually.... Terry McGinnis. Thats where massive amounts of depth of batman come out. When you see that Bruce is finally left to wallow in infuriating old age and forced to contend with his life long control issues in relenting some of that control to another in a way he really never was forced to do before.
No, his real power is lazy writing. Batman can do all sort of things because the writers says screw it, Batman is just being batman.DreamaSkylar said:
Let us also not forget the power to get away with it, which is also the Joker's power.DreamaSkylar said:
If you or I (or even someone like, I dunno, Black Adam) fought Superman then they'd get pancaked into a wall but if Batman were to do it he would get away with it and win.
It is precisely his flaws, though, that make him interesting. He is so powerful but so flawed and it is the flaws that provide the dramatic tension.
To me the whole concept of Batman and his Thou Shalt Not Kill is more of a man trying to contain his mental illness rather than seek help for it. It you look at any Batman Villain or Villainess you will see a form of Mental Illness/Disorder and he sends them where? A Mental Asylum.
It reminds me of the whole 'Messy Room, Messy Mind' cliche, Batman's room just includes the entirety of Gotham City and he wants to be Sane again.
It reminds me of the whole 'Messy Room, Messy Mind' cliche, Batman's room just includes the entirety of Gotham City and he wants to be Sane again.
You do know how we ended up with Harley Quinn, right? They do try to treat the super criminals, most of them either ignore it or kill their doctors. You can't treat someone like the joker, He kills people that try to help him.Esotera said:
Also, not all of the villains are mentally ill. Most of the mafia bosses (Penguin, Black mask etc) are not, and they end up in blackgate as opposed to arkham.
And batman... Batman is a pretty good example of a mentally ill superhero, but too stubborn to treat himself. Batman is effectively a very traumatized and hurt child who fights every day to stop others from entering his own sort of pain, as are most of his allies, Nightwing watched his parents die, Red Robin lost his mother, then his girlfriend, his best friend and then his father, and Robin...Well, We can pretty much guess why he's killing people.
Every member of the bat-family has some form of psychological hang up, and instead of killing others too bring them into their own misery as the villains do, they strive to stop anyone from having to feel what they do.
Batman is as insane as the joker, But he goes to the opposite extreme.
The combination of Batman And Red Robin is actually the best step towards crime fighting that he's ever done (Shortly before the new 52)
Batman sets up Batman inc. Designed to catch criminals globally in ALL forms of crime, coporate, petty street crime, Mafia bosses etc, And Red Robin sets up the Neon knights foundation, designed to turn kids away from starting a life of crime by creating Jobs, activities and effectively stopping crime before it starts. Essentially, B and RR had put together a system where crime, eventually could be fully eradicated.
All those of you who want to play the "Batman is rich but he wastes his money on jets and cars" really need to read the more recent ish comics, Batman is in fact, the only superhero that adresses corporate crime, and Red Robin is the only superhero that stops crime before it can happen without ultra-violence.
(Of course then the new 52 came along and pretty much dissolved the entire premise...)
Batman sets up Batman inc. Designed to catch criminals globally in ALL forms of crime, coporate, petty street crime, Mafia bosses etc, And Red Robin sets up the Neon knights foundation, designed to turn kids away from starting a life of crime by creating Jobs, activities and effectively stopping crime before it starts. Essentially, B and RR had put together a system where crime, eventually could be fully eradicated.
All those of you who want to play the "Batman is rich but he wastes his money on jets and cars" really need to read the more recent ish comics, Batman is in fact, the only superhero that adresses corporate crime, and Red Robin is the only superhero that stops crime before it can happen without ultra-violence.
(Of course then the new 52 came along and pretty much dissolved the entire premise...)
This is pretty great.Lalo Lomeli said:
I always thought of Batman as a symptom of the corruption in Gotham, but I never considered Bruce Wayne as the source of the corruption.
I've always kinda liked Batman. I like how he is the least interesting part, and the whole idea of him putting mad people away while being less than sane himself. And I rather like the newer look of the whole thing that has the serious edge to it. I think far too many comics are being too tongue in cheek to be worth reading/watching.
Well in a few they do try to treat them. For example in Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth deals with treating. Everybody also talks about how Batman is insane with Hugo Strange and the Joker in particular commenting on his insanity. In The Dark Knight Returns they also try to treat Two-Face and The Joker in particular with Batman being described as obsessive on his version of a "Holy War". Despite disliking The Dark Knight Returns it was also pretty cool how they would list Batman's various crimes. The portrayed him in a way that quite a few might see him as.Esotera said:
I always liked how Batman and his villains were developed qutie similar to each other. I've recently gotten back in to comic books and graphic novels and Batman was my first port of call. I love his portrayal in The Killing Joke (mirror of The Joker), Arkham Asylum: Serious House on Serious Earth (straight up as insane as everyone else) and even Hush (a man who is highly paranoid and has trouble trusting anybody).