Batman V Superman' Ultimate Cut Releases July 16
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My first thought after the movie finished was "this needs an extended director's cut."
Not because it was too short. That movie was so dense that they trimmed all the fat they could and still ended up with a hulking behemoth. No, I think it needs an extended cut because it's basically two movies smashed together at about the 90-minute mark, and short of actually making it two movies the only way to do it justice is to make it really, really long.
I wouldn't even mind if it came out as some four-hour-long marathon, with intermissions and everything. I really feel like the pacing suffered from having to fit into 150 minutes, and yes, I understand how stupid that sounds now that I've written it out.
But really; there's almost no establishing shots, it jumps from scene to scene with no set-up, dream sequences start and end as quickly and confusingly as they began, important plot developments are given thirty seconds to a minute of screen time (I had no idea what the fuck was going on in Africa at the start of the movie, and then it jumps to a senate hearing on the subject that's so brief it absolutely fails to explain anything). And on top of all of that, the fight scenes are just too short and too sparse, which is a goddamn travesty for a Snyder-directed movie with Batman in it.
I really feel like there was a fantastic movie (or two) in here that got buried during the editing process. I'm okay with the end product, but I'm hoping the extended cut brings out the film that this film wanted to be.
Not because it was too short. That movie was so dense that they trimmed all the fat they could and still ended up with a hulking behemoth. No, I think it needs an extended cut because it's basically two movies smashed together at about the 90-minute mark, and short of actually making it two movies the only way to do it justice is to make it really, really long.
I wouldn't even mind if it came out as some four-hour-long marathon, with intermissions and everything. I really feel like the pacing suffered from having to fit into 150 minutes, and yes, I understand how stupid that sounds now that I've written it out.
But really; there's almost no establishing shots, it jumps from scene to scene with no set-up, dream sequences start and end as quickly and confusingly as they began, important plot developments are given thirty seconds to a minute of screen time (I had no idea what the fuck was going on in Africa at the start of the movie, and then it jumps to a senate hearing on the subject that's so brief it absolutely fails to explain anything). And on top of all of that, the fight scenes are just too short and too sparse, which is a goddamn travesty for a Snyder-directed movie with Batman in it.
I really feel like there was a fantastic movie (or two) in here that got buried during the editing process. I'm okay with the end product, but I'm hoping the extended cut brings out the film that this film wanted to be.
Gonna go ahead and bet that Batman kidnaps a kid and, screams
I haven't seen the film yet, but I'm almost guaranteed to hate it. I'm actually glad I spoiled the film for me. Now that I've gotten my hate out I can probably enjoy the movie... Probably. Then again, once Batman does the one thing he should never do, I'll probably flip out and start throwing batarangs at everyone.
But an R rated ultimate cut, huh? Gonna guess Batman scalps someone and Superman has a sex scene.
I haven't seen the film yet, but I'm almost guaranteed to hate it. I'm actually glad I spoiled the film for me. Now that I've gotten my hate out I can probably enjoy the movie... Probably. Then again, once Batman does the one thing he should never do, I'll probably flip out and start throwing batarangs at everyone.
But an R rated ultimate cut, huh? Gonna guess Batman scalps someone and Superman has a sex scene.
I second this motion.undeadsuitor said:
I'm not sure about the scalping, but Superman already bangs Lois in a bathtub. Which isn't a very comfortable place to bang someone even if your skin isn't as hard as steel, but who said this movie was realistic?Captain Marvelous said:
They were taking a lot of inspiration from TDKR and Frank Miller, so this was more-or-less unavoidable.Something Amyss said:
You know what the actual "adult" version of this is? Captain America: Civil War. You have heroes fighting, but they're fighting for well defined and believable reasons. And we actually care. Check out Youtube videos of people previewing the two movies. For Dawn of Justice everyone was saying how awesome it was going to be to see Batman and Superman fight. For Civil War people are actually feeling anxiety over Iron Man and Cap fighting, worrying about people they care about, and wondering how they can mend their friendship. Also when people are choosing Team Iron Man or Team Cap (I'm actually surprised at how even it is) they're usually doing so based on their stance in the philosophical debate, rather than which one is cooler.Something Amyss said:
What does properly fall under the category of a movie being "adult" in your opinion?Something Amyss said:
Nah, they could have...bastardofmelbourne said:
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...you know, I'm not sure they could get all the childishness of Frank Miller out of Batman.
Though, honestly, Daredevil did a lot of things that BVS tried to do, and the series takes a lot of notes from Miller's origin and run.
It's still got its own pseudo-adult moments, but still.
The ads are smarter, but the original series revolved around everyone being hit with the idiot stick. And while I love the first two Avengers movies, they rely heavily on the idiot stick, too. Honestly, almost any of Marvel's team-ups do this, including Guardians. So I worry that this is still going to rely heavily on the same idiot stick that hit Bats and Supes.mduncan50 said:
Stuff like "he's my friend!" "So was I!" does that too me.
No doubt Marvel cuts a better promo and knows how to market themselves.
SPOILERSbastardofmelbourne said:
The movie as is already has so much runtime dedicated to scenes that don't make any sense. The one thing Man of Steel actually set groundwork for was the fact that Superman might be a danger to Earth yet the movie wastes all this time with more scenes "showing" Superman's danger. All the Africa stuff could be cut, it makes no sense and is only there to give Lois something to do. It turns out to be some convoluted "set up" to demonstrate how dangerous Superman is but why would anyone care about people in Africa shooting people that is really just a normal occurrence? Why is Lex using some kind of special bullets that are just normal bullets? It's just so Lois has something to do in the most contrived manner possible. The whole Batman's parents death scene is literally only there so the audience is informed of his mother's name. The opening credits scene would've been much better with it being Bruce Wayne on the streets of Metropolis during the end of Man of Steel. The Capitol stuff is there for no reason as well, it seems like another "set up" by Lex that doesn't accomplish anything, I don't see how making it longer is going to give it any purpose. So much makes no sense. The audience is expected to be up-to-speed with this new Batman that is killing people yet it doesn't think we know about Batman's parents' death. What needs to be in the film is how the Batman became this film's Batman, which I doubt the extended cut will have. Basically we needed a Batman movie before this. I don't think the extended cut is going to have them fight over ideological differences like it should be as the movie seems to be really dedicated to Lex driving everything that could and should be naturally driven by the 2 main characters alone.
I believe that the Mother Box was found in 1980 (an easter egg, Cyborg was created in 1980).AccursedTheory said:
Whiiccchhh still doesn't make much sense, but whatever.
OT: The entire movie I was thinking "Wow, this 2 hour and 30 minutes movie somehow needs to be longer."
Such scenes that I think we will find in the Directors cut:
1. The scene where Lex discovers Superman's identity and explains how he knew Batman's identity all along (a MASSIVE plot hole)
2. Batman doing R-rated things
3. Lois Lane nipples?
4. The scene that explains how the fuck Lex knew Batman was already prepared to fight Superman, and why Batman just randomly decided to start fighting Superman at that exact moment
5. Batman's infiltration of LexCorp
6. Bat-family cameos/mentions
7. More of the Martha scene
Yeah, my mom actually told me to watch Civil War first and tell her if anything happens before she watches it. My aunt and older sister too, they're actually sad about Tony and Cap fighting.mduncan50 said:
Here's a video that I think sums up why Civil War is affecting people this way:
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Man, now I'm just wondering if it's even possible to peg Superman. His butt muscles would be like titanium cords.Captain Marvelous said:
You'd need some kind of super-dildo to withstand his involuntary clenches.
Well, that Kryponite boulder they found was pretty big, and it doesn't look like they show us everything Batman made with it...bastardofmelbourne said:
I can think of much more worse things then that Kryptonite "thing" that AccusedTheory showed.mduncan50 said:
Considering that Civil War isn't out yet, how do you know this? I haven't seen anything in the Marvel canon giving us reasons for why they'd want to fight each other. The closest thing is the fight between Iron Man and Cap in Avengers 2, but that conflict is completely resolved by the end of the movie.mduncan50 said:
Heck, if you watch Batman v Superman you'll see that the two heroes are fighting for well defined and believable reasons.
Do we? I certainly don't. Maybe it's just that I'm not American, but I find all the characters in the MCU (bar Loki and Banner) to be extremely flat and uninteresting. This might just be me, but I can't get invested in a story with shallow characters and conflicts that are completely lacking in ambiguity.