Battlefield 3 Will Require Origin

[ph0b0s123]

Where was all this complaining when Steam did it. I posted many times with complains about how non valve single player games were using steamworks which requires steam installed and no-one cared. Well you reap what you sow. To late to belly ache now....

Steam does it = OK

EA does it = BAD

Is it me or do Steam fanbois seem very much like Apple fanbois with their idols can never do any wrong.

You conclusion however, is based on incomplete appraisal of the situation.

Steam does it - it works, it's high quality, fully featured, stable and professional.
EA does it - it barely works, its shoddy and frankly unprofessional.

I have 6 games on Origin at the moment. I'm not speaking out of my ass, and I am certainly not a fanboy because other people are content equating apples with oranges.

The complaint is that Origin is a subpar product and since its launch has barely gotten better. Whereas Steam has improved in strides and it will continue to do so because Valve WANT that kind of involvement. Like I said, Origin is halfassed to say the least.

See the post above for my response to that as in some screwed up causality I got my response in before your post?! But bottom line whether one service is better or not, I don't want either if I did not buy the game on-line. And certainly not if it has nothing to do with either Vavle or EA and is single player.

 

[cybran]

"Steam doesn't update EA games like we want them to so... No Battlefield. We promise! It's about updates!"

Days later. Battlefield requires Origin.
Fuck it. I'm playing it on my Xbox.

And many, MANY games require Steam. Everything bad people are going to say about this Valve has already done a long time ago.

Thething is, I already have steam, I doont want origin aswell.

Damn wannabees...

 

[UberNoodle]

Where was all this complaining when Steam did it. I posted many times with complains about how non valve single player games were using steamworks which requires steam installed and no-one cared. Well you reap what you sow. To late to belly ache now....

Steam does it = OK

EA does it = BAD

Is it me or do Steam fanbois seem very much like Apple fanbois with their idols can never do any wrong.

You conclusion however, is based on incomplete appraisal of the situation.

Steam does it - it works, it's high quality, fully featured, stable and professional.
EA does it - it barely works, its shoddy and frankly unprofessional.

I have 6 games on Origin at the moment. I'm not speaking out of my ass, and I am certainly not a fanboy because other people are content equating apples with oranges.

The complaint is that Origin is a subpar product and since its launch has barely gotten better. Whereas Steam has improved in strides and it will continue to do so because Valve WANT that kind of involvement. Like I said, Origin is halfassed to say the least.

See the post above for my response to that as in some screwed up causality I got my response in before your post?! But bottom line whether one service is better or not, I don't want either if I did not buy the game on-line. And certainly not if it has nothing to do with either Vavle or EA and is single player.

I'm not going to say that you love EA because honestly, how could you? They have no identity. It would like loving Microsoft or Ubisoft. I don't love them because I see no personality there. But I love Id and Valve and so on, because they do have that personality. Imagine loving Harper Collins just because I loved American Gods, or loving FOX because of Alien. But I love the actual creative identities that made those things.

Anyway, that's beside the point. You make a fair point about needing to run Steam or Origin in the background for single player games. I understand that. I, on the other hand, love that I don't have any software boxes since Oblivion Game of the Year Edition. I love that I can install my 32 games easily, anywhere with a Net connection, and that my only problems have been with the games themselves, not with the download service.

I love that many of the games have cloud based save game storage. Sometimes the files can be out of date but it's better than starting again.

And certainly it IS fair to compare a burgeoning service with an established one, and it is the same fair logic that keeps many competitors from succeeding. We are consumers - we don't care about giving a fair go to the newcomer when we've already got all or most of what we need already. Moving to Origin is a definite downgrade right now, and I am not confident that, in the time it takes for BF3 to release, the service will get anywhere near as robust or featured as Steam is now.

 

[unindexedsearchengine]

and this is the reason i ain't buying this game, if EA dare do this with ME3 they will receive death threats

 

[James Crook]

Well, Origin wouldn't bother me if I could buy the game from Steam. I don't mind having to use another program for games I bought off Steam, like Grand Theft Auto IV with Games For Windows Live, or Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood with the Uplay launcher, but I like having my entire game collection ready to download from Steam, from which I can change languages, defrag the cache and stuff. I buy all my games from Steam, and I buy some of them retail if I can register them to Steam (so I could download them later).
Yeah, I'm the kind of guy that likes having all his eggs in the same basket. This isn't about the Steam overlay, but about having everything in the same place.
*Sigh* Guess I'll skip on Battlefield 3 and instead get Red Orchestra 2 (is it me or it looks like a way better game that won't bullshit me with DLC?)...

 

[karloss01]

wasn't sure if i was going to get this (getting tired of mordern warfare to be honest) but now i know what platform i'm getting it for it i do decide to get it.

 

[ShakerSilver]

When I first heard about Battlefield 3: "I am so pre-ordering this shit off Steam."
When I heard that the game wasn't coming out on Steam: "Eh, well I guess I can shell out a bit more to buy a retail version." :/
When I heard that the game will require Origin: "...not sure if want." >_<

I wouldn't mind Origin if it weren't so terrible. I mean yeah Steam wasn't all that great when it first came out, but EA could have at least taken a few notes about what Valve did wrong with Steam and then try to make Origin even better than it, instead of rushing out the door while it was still in alpha.

Also, simply cutting their games from Steam was kind of a dick move. I mean I've heard no complaints from other companies about Steam's "restrictive" DLC rules, so what makes EA so special? If they actually just kept their game on Steam, but added a few bonuses if they got it from Origin, it would have probably been more successful than making it Origin exclusive. But EA just had to go and be moneygrubbing jerks about it.

 

[Davey Woo]

Won't it be just the same as like some games that use Gamespy to manage the online bits? Or will Origin do more than that?

 

[Vivi22]

You did the same for Half Life 2, right? Right? ...right? Probably not. Which means your bitching is 100% unfounded.

If you were someone like me who was still playing games like TFC and CS when HL2 came out you were already on Steam. And at the time, Steam really wasn't what it is now. At best it was a fancy place to manage your Valve games. It had only just started to sell other titles shortly before that, but more to the point, it was already a year out of beta when its first big title was released, and you didn't even have to be able to authenticate it on Steam to be able to start playing the single player (as I recall they underestimated the server load and it took a day or so for most people to be able to activate it on Steam).

But the important thing to realize is a lot of people were already on Steam to play some of their favourite games, and it had already been around for almost 3 years if you include the beta so it was running quite well at that point, and the features you get with it have been continually improved since then.

But what do you get if you want to buy Battlefield 3 at launch? Well, at best you get to be their guinea pig for testing the Origin service. At worst, you might not be able to play anything unless you're logged in, which could be a big issue if the service has the kind of growing pains Steam did at launch.

 

[AssassinFisH]

Having to install Origin is not something I am overly happy about, but it sure beats playing on the consoles, due to the 24 player cap. Please Microsoft / Sony, give us some next gen consoles that can support 64+ players!

 

[RicoADF]

who gives a shit you download a free thing and play an awesome game

And if you dont login for 2 years you can lose you account and thus your game. A rather large difference to steam.

Having to install Origin is not something I am overly happy about, but it sure beats playing on the consoles, due to the 24 player cap. Please Microsoft / Sony, give us some next gen consoles that can support 64+ players!

MAG supports 64 players, so perhaps ask EA to get off their lazy ass and code the game to support 64 players

 

[Zenode]

Half Life 2 forced you to install Steam....and now people are whinging about this?

Seriously if your rig is able to run BF3, pretty sure it can handle a simple DRM program running in the background....

 

[Keava]

That's not the problem. Origin IP blocking regions of the world. That's the fucking problem. If this is the case, I quite literally won't be able to play the game. Really hope there's something amiss here cause fuck knows you don't need a DRM to protect an online game with an authentication system.

Steam has region IP locks as well. Point being?

Everyone saying "everyone loves Valve", but what if that's not true? Really the only game i liked from Valve was first Portal, and that's about it.
I applaud them for bringing indie devs into the spotlight but currently they are loosing even that, since other digital distributors do the thing better.
I dislike Valve for not letting me pay in my country currency, forcing me to use euros, and thus making me pay 30% more for a game, despite the fact other DDs do not have such nonsense, including the "oh so evil" EA.

The famous Steam Deals? They are still more expensive than my local retailers deals and those don't vanish over the weekend with odd timing, because 11am for Valve is different than my 11am. I can get a game for as little as 0.25 euro/0.33$ at a normal media shop here with some of the deals...

Sorry, personally i just treat those services as patchers/launchers, like many of online games do have, especially MMOs. I don't buy a game from a certain place only because i like or dislike given distributor, i buy it where i get the best deal, the logo on a shop means nothing.

 

[Operations]

I buy all my games from Steam, and I buy some of them retail

Slight logic fail there

 

[Operations]

When I first heard about Battlefield 3: "I am so pre-ordering this shit off Steam."
When I heard that the game wasn't coming out on Steam: "Eh, well I guess I can shell out a bit more to buy a retail version." :/
When I heard that the game will require Origin: "...not sure if want." >_<

I guess this must be a US thing, in the UK I never pre-order triple A titles from Steam, always more expensive than a boxed copy.
Same way I wont be ordering new titles through origin when its £10 more expensive, just for the chance to beta test 2 days early.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Where was all this complaining when Steam did it. I posted many times with complains about how non valve single player games were using steamworks which requires steam installed and no-one cared. Well you reap what you sow. To late to belly ache now....

Steam does it = OK

EA does it = BAD

Is it me or do Steam fanbois seem very much like Apple fanbois with their idols can never do any wrong.

You conclusion however, is based on incomplete appraisal of the situation.

Steam does it - it works, it's high quality, fully featured, stable and professional.
EA does it - it barely works, its shoddy and frankly unprofessional.

I have 6 games on Origin at the moment. I'm not speaking out of my ass, and I am certainly not a fanboy because other people are content equating apples with oranges.

The complaint is that Origin is a subpar product and since its launch has barely gotten better. Whereas Steam has improved in strides and it will continue to do so because Valve WANT that kind of involvement. Like I said, Origin is halfassed to say the least.

See the post above for my response to that as in some screwed up causality I got my response in before your post?! But bottom line whether one service is better or not, I don't want either if I did not buy the game on-line. And certainly not if it has nothing to do with either Vavle or EA and is single player.

I'm not going to say that you love EA because honestly, how could you? They have no identity. It would like loving Microsoft or Ubisoft. I don't love them because I see no personality there. But I love Id and Valve and so on, because they do have that personality. Imagine loving Harper Collins just because I loved American Gods, or loving FOX because of Alien. But I love the actual creative identities that made those things.

Anyway, that's beside the point. You make a fair point about needing to run Steam or Origin in the background for single player games. I understand that. I, on the other hand, love that I don't have any software boxes since Oblivion Game of the Year Edition. I love that I can install my 32 games easily, anywhere with a Net connection, and that my only problems have been with the games themselves, not with the download service.

I love that many of the games have cloud based save game storage. Sometimes the files can be out of date but it's better than starting again.

And certainly it IS fair to compare a burgeoning service with an established one, and it is the same fair logic that keeps many competitors from succeeding. We are consumers - we don't care about giving a fair go to the newcomer when we've already got all or most of what we need already. Moving to Origin is a definite downgrade right now, and I am not confident that, in the time it takes for BF3 to release, the service will get anywhere near as robust or featured as Steam is now.

All those things you mentioned about buying game on-line are exactly right and are very good things, but the crux of the problem is they are not optional. That is the whole point. If I go out a get a boxed game, so have opted not to have the positives of buying on-line, I find it massively unfair that I have to be forced to take the negatives of having to load clients that have to check via the internet before I can play. And which give pop up's of sales pitches when I am finished....

So back to my original point, complain about EA forcing you to run a client, fine. But complain about Steam making you do it as well, if not in a worse way with Steamworks on 3rd party single player titles. That's it....

 

[ShakerSilver]

I guess this must be a US thing, in the UK I never pre-order triple A titles from Steam, always more expensive than a boxed copy.
Same way I wont be ordering new titles through origin when its £10 more expensive, just for the chance to beta test 2 days early.

Actually, it's a Lebanon thing. Here, retail copies of new games cost somewhere between 60 to 80 USD, where it would usually cost about 50 bucks off of Steam. >_<

 

[cahtush]

Found this btw.

What worries me is the "loyalty program". I have no idea what it means but it sounds sinister.