Bayonets: Are they practical?
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It's great that a lot of you noobs think that war is like what you see in video games. Carrying a bayonet is standard practice in most 1st world militaries. Bayonets are used for various uses, not just "stabbing people". The US military M9 bayonet is used for slashing, sawing, cutting wires, and comes with a whet stone on the back of the sheathe for sharpening. In close-quarters combat fixing bayonets is also standard practice. Bayonet paractice is standard in the U.S. Army basic training as well. Using it in hand to hand combat is not something you would normally see. It is a multi-purpose tool, not a "fall back on" weapon like so many of you think.
if i was hiding behind a wall being shot at then an enemy pops up out of the ground infront of me (enemy coming out of a Hatch door, or a zombie, whatever) then i can just swing around and lop its head off without wasting bullets/letting the enemy know where i am due to the noise of the shot
Ah yes, i was just thinking that i remember hearing a few cases when in Afganistan when the order had been given to fix bayonets...i think it's a British thing, we like using bayonets.MaxMees said:
On COD5, i loved sniping with the Mosin Nagant, but i only used iron sights (in my opinion, better than the scope) and a bayonet attatchment. I loved bayonetting people, so fun.
Bayonets were meant to work with muskets, Karabiners, Lee Enfields an Garands instead of weapons that can be fitted with a shotgun or a grenade launcher. Muskets were from a time during which cavalry were actually a threat and having a second rate pike was a very good thing if you were an infantryman. For the others it was just good to be able to disembowel jerry if you wound up turning around the corner and having him there ready to ventilate your ass if you hadn't managed to chamber a new round in the old Lee Enfield. Of course they would always get jammed in the fucking ribs which was a downer and they tended to make reloading muskets a tad awkward unless you liked getting your hand jabbed with the same blade that has the hepatitis stained blood of that french grenadier who got just a little too close for comfort. In which case more power to you. So I'm going to say maybe. They have a tactical advantage in that you don't have to pull out your knife to jab the other guy. Then again if the gun gets jammed in the ribs (never go for the ribs by the way, a little bit of advice for when you're fighting off raiders after civilization has collapsed) you'll either lose valuable time trying to yank it out or have to give up your weapon. Neither is a good scenario to be in when the guns are blazing. Once again, a maybe. Bayonets are a grey area.
Bayonets are from an era where guns were a lot worse. If I was gonna use one it would be like this.
http://www.geekologie.com/2008/12/01/bayonet-1.jpg
http://www.geekologie.com/2008/12/01/bayonet-1.jpg
Problem is, when ur a basic level infantryman, a sidearm isnt usually available to you unless of course you are in a squad leader position where you are issued a sidearm to the best of my knowledge, then again i might be wrong and u may need to be in a higher position to receive one. Basically most soldiers are not issued one and those who are it is more of a symbol of authority (lack of a better term). Special forces are a different story as many of the carry sidearms along with their primary weapons and others. And throwing a knife in a combat situation i imagine would be very impracticable. I have never been in the military nor have i experienced any combat (aside from many years of target shooting and shooting training from professionals) but in a situation where you may be at best 15 feet from a hostile target, a throwing knife would be highly impractical even if you highly trained.AndyFromMonday said:
O.T. : bayonets can never be a BAD idea, probably limited in its use but if it saves your life than it can be the greatest tool in a soldiers arsenal.
Goddamnit, not only does my gun only barely resemble a penis, I can't even put it through someone to suggest my dominance over them! What my gun needs is something attached to the barrel that sticks out and can stab people!
Where are you getting this? No, they are not in use anymore. Its just got a useless little perk where it can go on guns these days. They aren't just used for killing, they are used for plenty of other things.
Although they were used in the battle of Mogadishu(what Black hawk down was about) when some of the soldiers ran out of ammo.
Although they were used in the battle of Mogadishu(what Black hawk down was about) when some of the soldiers ran out of ammo.
Might be useful in a close quarters/house to house situation, having a knife on the end of your gun just in case. They are pretty short these days IIRC. I imagine there's a reason modern armies still give out bayonettes and do bayontte drills etc.
I heard that even in WW1 they were more there for ceremonial reasons, hardly every actually used. This was with bolt action rifles, I think a full auto modern weapon holds to this much more. I could see the value as a utility knife, but I still think a sheathed one would serve better.
Wasn't the original principle of the bayonet to be:
A: Fall back when out of ammo/ in CQB?
B: Scary to the enemy?
knowing this can we all agree that in the modern world the only practical solution is a chainsaw bayonet: its bloody scary and if you run out of ammo you only have to worry about fuel, and if it comes to it, you can use that same fuel to keep your vehicles moving as they run out of juice.
I like the idea of a chainsaw bayonet and think Mr Bleszinski needs to contact the Special Air services (or yank equivalent) with the plan.
A: Fall back when out of ammo/ in CQB?
B: Scary to the enemy?
knowing this can we all agree that in the modern world the only practical solution is a chainsaw bayonet: its bloody scary and if you run out of ammo you only have to worry about fuel, and if it comes to it, you can use that same fuel to keep your vehicles moving as they run out of juice.
I like the idea of a chainsaw bayonet and think Mr Bleszinski needs to contact the Special Air services (or yank equivalent) with the plan.