BBC: Does the PC have a future?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15536488

Once upon a time when you wanted to use a computer you sat down in front of a desktop PC, turned it on and got to work.

Then laptops appeared so you could do that work on the sofa, the train or the plane.

Then came mobile phones. And the world wide web. And smartphones. And tablets.

The poor PC is getting left behind.

"There was a time when the programs and applications you used only existed on PCs," said Ranjit Atwal, a research analyst at Gartner who watches the PC market. "But that's not the case anymore."

Sales figures suggest that the plethora of those other gadgets are making households reluctant to buy PCs at the moment.

Mr Atwal said Gartner is expecting a "notable" slowdown in the number of PCs consumers buy in late 2011 and 2012.

That seems odd given what technological advances and the recession are doing to the desktop PC.

"The PC has become commoditised so it can sell at lower prices," said Mr Atwal. "And that's been exaggerated by the economic downturn."

Even though the PC is cheap and is getting cheaper, that is not tempting people to pick up a new one.

"Instead," said Mr Atwal, "we're investing in other devices."

In these tight times, people appear unwilling to spend cash on something they already have. Evidence suggests they are using it to buy the gadgets they do not own - such as tablets and smartphones.
Hanging on

The bad news does not end there. More evidence that the PC is being left behind comes from data gathered by online computer memory store Crucial.

It produces software that customers can download and run on their computer to gather information about their system.

The retailer uses the tool to advise customers about what they should be buying to beef up their PC.
Tablet computer Many people are using their spare cash for a different type of computer

Crucial spokesman Roddy Maclean said the information also offers a snapshot of what is whirring away inside tens of thousands of PCs found up and down the country.

The statistics suggest that more and more people are holding on to their ageing PC rather than splashing out on a new one.

"About 50% of the systems upgraded in the last year are about four years old," he said. "That's up from up from 40% last year."

Many people, he said, seem to be buying a few key parts for their home PC to squeeze more out of it.

That makes sense, said Mr Maclean, because of the wide variety of tasks people perform with their PC.

"There's usually some kind of trigger point that makes people upgrade," he said.

"Often that's frustration that their system has started to slow down or the demands on their system are becoming greater."

"People use their PC as a tool for a much wider variety of applications than ever before," he said. "The desktop PC has become a real workhorse."

"All of that is driving an increased demand for more computing power and the number of things people are looking to do with their systems," said Mr Maclean.

Even those who build their own PCs and who might be expected to be in a permanent state of renewal are slowing down, said James Gorbold, editor of Custom PC.

"I think the upgrade cycle for upgrade enthusiasts has got slightly longer over the last 3-4 years," he said.

There's one simple reason for this.

"There are less and less games being developed exclusively for the PC," he said.

Many more games are now developed for both consoles and PCs.

"Given that consoles are less technologically sophisticated than PCs they will be programmed for the lowest common denominator which, from a commercial point of view, makes sense," he said. "However, it means they are not pushing modern PC hardware."

There's no reason to upgrade, said Mr Gorbold, if a better graphics card, more memory or more powerful chip in your self-built system has no effect on what you see on screen.


Changes may be on the horizon, though.

"There are significant games that are due for release soon and they might be the killer app that drives the upgrade," he said.

The graphics heavy games in question are Battlefield 3 and Skyrim, and they could be the titles that prise open the wallets of those hardcore system builders.

Even Gartner is convinced that the PCs will once again find a place in the hearts of consumers.

Trends it has picked out suggest PC sales figures will pick up towards the end of 2012.

But, said Mr Atwal, most PC makers would have to work hard to get people to buy.

"The PC has not changed as consumers and users have changed their habits," he said.

"One thing the PC makers have not done over the last few years is make products that are innovative in terms of compelling features and novel form factors."

"There's the need for a fundamental re-think of how we make these gadgets compelling," he said.
I personally ditched the Desktop PC last year in favour of a laptop, ipod, Xbox 360 and other gadgets. I think with games now costing tens of millions to make, the graphically-demanding PC exlcusive will slowly die out as publishers look to recoup there investment, with the exception of certain MMO's.

I think the PC still has a place but I have no idea how long it can last.
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BBC: Does the PC have a future?
Yes.

Next question?

I've got a PC, a PS3, a 360 and a DS and I have never even once felt like my PC was going to go by the wayside in favour of something else. I highly doubt the desktop PC is going to go anywhere in the near future, no matter what 'analysts' think.
 

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In terms of applications other than gaming I can't see it ever being as popular as it was (I too have a smartphone, laptop, 360). That said I still want a new gaming PC so I can play BF3 with 63 other people instead of playing it on a console.
 

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Well, it makes sense when you think about it. PCs from a few years ago could hold gigabytes of information, more than enough for someone that uses it for work or internet trawling alone. The PC is starting to become a specialist machine designed for high-performance tasks and holding massive amounts of data. And if your old PC is starting to lag behind, why splash out on an entirely new one? There are plenty of parts for sale on the internet and instructions for upgrading a computer, you can just upgrade whatever you need to be better instead of buying a whole new computer.
 

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More and more people are turning to PCs for gaming, and even those that have no interest in gaming stick with PCs because of their amazing capabilities despite the gigantic lurning curve involved. Most of us privelledged first world people have a PC somewhere in the home, and many have 1 each for every member of the household. The internet alone has enough flexibility and staying power to make the PC a useful tool or a fantastic form of recreation for just about anybody.

PCs may likely evolve, but they will not die.
 

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I call BS on this i have a Xbox 360 a ipod and a laptop but nothing compares to the use of my computer. Also games are the best on a pc i can't aim at all on a xbox controller.
 
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Eh, whatever. Desktop PC's will always be around. Maybe not in the numbers it once was, but it certainly won't die out.

As for games, well they're still releasing PC games. So they obviously believe it's a large enough market to make money from.

So yeah, not worried at all.
 

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1: This isn't gaming related. It's not talking about the future of PC Gaming.

2: It's not PCs in general. It's the desktop. That's what's being talked about.

3: I agree. With everything going portable, and laptops becoming more and more powerful, desktop PCs are becoming less and less practical, in terms of not-gaming related things. Ironically, PC Gaming is probably the biggest thing keeping people on desktops as opposed to laptops and tablets.

4: I look forward to hoards of PC Gamers coming in, foaming at the mouth and getting their raging responses ready, trying to defend ze glorious Master Race to come storming in with knee-jerk responses without actually reading the article, thinking "desktop" and "PC" are synonymous and cannot tell the difference.
 

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For the record PC stands for personal computer, so your laptop is still a PC and while many people will disagree a tablet is a computing device so therefore it is also a PC. You may want to rephrase it too only expensive high end desktops or some such.

Now on to the topic at hand.
No the PC will be there for a good time to come and is actually getting stronger. Yes it can cost a large enough amount of money to keep your PC running everything at Ultra but I have a ATI Radeon 3650 that runs the Witcher 2 quite well.

That's almost a totally worthless graphics card too.

So no I do not think that the PC is dying for desktop computers or gaming.
 

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They need to learn to recognized the distinction between a "PC" and a "Dekstop." Overlooking their mistake, I still think that the Dekstop has a bright future.
 

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I could see desktops fading out at some point, but some people think that one day EVERYTHING will be on smartphones, which I think is a load of crap. No matter how small chips get, you will always be able to fit more in a desktop, laptop, or tablet, which means you will always be able to do more on one of them. And people will still want to have physical keyboards somehow, until they finally make an on-screen keyboard that isn't as awkward to use as a penguin trying to peel an orange.

As for PC gaming, last I checked it was only on the rise lately due to things like Steam and other online stores. So that's a big no for that, as well.
 

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Giest4life said:
They need to learn to recognized the distinction between a "PC" and a "Dekstop." Overlooking their mistake, I still think that the Dekstop has a bright future.
Perosnal Computing is here to stay. However with Laptop's now being capable of what they are, plus other gadgets like my smartphone and with what the Xbox 360 and PS3 are capable of I don't see a future for the desktop. Hell with the extra space I've added a small snooker table to my house.
 

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Moviebob already did a video on this ages ago (on the Big Picture).

As I already said in that video, yes they still got a future. The one thing that a pc got that the other don't got are the softwares like Photoshop, Flash and 3D Studio Max etc. Ok yes you can still use a laptop to run these but if you're a pc gamer, the pc is still the best to run games on (well also depend how good your laptop is).
 

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i now use my laptop for gaming but i probly will never use a pc simply because it has to stay in one place u need to buy a moniter a chair to sit in and a desk to put it on, with my laptop i can take it any where and it can play most games i want to play so all i think i will do will be to get the best gaming laptop i can every few years in order to keep up with the times
 

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Laptops have shorter lifetimes than desktops, are more difficult to upgrade, and always lag behind desktops in performance, while costing more.

For someone who wants a premium gaming experience, consoles and laptops are not even close to competing with 1-2 year old $1000 desktops. Better graphics, more customization, easy digital distribution with practically unlimited hard drive space to store games.

I can't see why a working adult with gaming as their main hobby would not primarily game on PC. Most of the games might be "ports", but then run them in higher resolution with sharper textures, use a game controller if it suits the game better than keyboard & mouse, and enjoy faster load times, better framerates, more customizability, etc.
 

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First off all, you're not talking about the future of the PC (whose architecture includes laptops and Macs), but desktops.

And yeah, casual users might be ditching desktopss, but specialist enthusiasts? PC gamers, for example, have increased over the years. The kind of first week sales games like TW2 and RO2 got was unimaginable a couple of years back.

The base line is, as long as other devices (laptops included) fail to provide the feasibility the desktop provides i.e. upgradability, cheaper individual components, greater cooling capabilities (therefore more powerful processors), desktopss won't die.


MatParker116 said:
I personally ditched the Desktop PC last year in favour of a laptop, ipod, Xbox 360 and other gadgets. I think with games now costing tens of millions to make, the graphically-demanding PC exlcusive will slowly die out as publishers look to recoup there investment, with the exception of certain MMO's.
Believe it or not, it actually may take more money making making something viable for the consoles than developing an expensive shiny PC game. Look at Rage. They took half a decade just to develop texture streaming and mega textures so that consoles can run the game at 60FPS. Or the console versions of Crysis 1, which took several years of further engine development and the culmination of CryEngine3 to get it even running on the consoles. All these years of work add up to development costs. And that doesn't even include the cuts console manufacturers and the brick-and-mortar stores (since physical copies constitute the majority of console sales) take from the game publishers, and the high advertisement costs for entry into the console market (whereas news of good PC games usually spread by word-of-mouth aka TW, M:TG, Minecraft, RO etc).

The PC, once again, isn't all about shiny games, but the independence and accessibility of game devs. Which is why see new PC devs spawning all the time - Crytek, GSC, Ice Pick, Paradox, Stardock, CCP, CD Projekt and countless others.
 

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Mr. Omega said:
4: I look forward to hoards of PC Gamers coming in, foaming at the mouth and getting their raging responses ready, trying to defend ze glorious Master Race to come storming in with knee-jerk responses without actually reading the article, thinking "desktop" and "PC" are synonymous and cannot tell the difference.
Actually, so far, the PC gamers have already pointed this out - it's only the console gaming OP who got it wrong.
Mr. Omega said:
1: This isn't gaming related. It's not talking about the future of PC Gaming.
Being posted into the Gaming Forums, and because of the fact that gaming is one of the greatest proponents of desktops, this will inevitably turn to that.
MatParker116" post="9.321773.13165559 said:
Perosnal Computing is here to stay. However with Laptop's now being capable of what they are, plus other gadgets like my smartphone and with what the Xbox 360 and PS3 are capable of I don't see a future for the desktop. Hell with the extra space I've added a small snooker table to my house.

As a PC gamer who is currently using a SSD along with my 1TB HD, I can tell you you know nothing about the future if your measuring stick is the XBox 360 and PS3.
 

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I don't know. What do I look like? Some sort of technology industry analyst

Well, I'm not.
 

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MatParker116 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15536488

The usual paranoiac bullshit the industry spreads! Ohes noes!
I personally ditched the Desktop PC last year in favour of a laptop, ipod, Xbox 360 and other gadgets. I think with games now costing tens of millions to make, the graphically-demanding PC exlcusive will slowly die out as publishers look to recoup there investment, with the exception of certain MMO's.

I think the PC still has a place but I have no idea how long it can last.
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This again. Awesome. *facepalm*

PCs will always have their place in the gaming market, for the simple and good reason that you can't develop console games on a console. Because of the sheer fact that computers are part of the creative process, the whole argument concerning games that are supposedly difficult to port to the PC, or with consoles being easier to code for, is rendered moot.

I'll be worried the day we're told that the PS3 or 360's far-flung descendants come complete with an SDK that enable anyone and everyone to code games. We're only dipping our toes into that potential future with stuff like Microsoft's Indie Games initiative for the Xbox, but we're nowhere near enough that reality for it to threaten PC gaming or PC-based development.

What seems far more likely is the merger of computers and consoles into a single machine. Which is going to open up whole new avenues of clusterfuckery, when you'll have to use your terminal to work on a report while your kid brother will harp on about needing to play Call of Modern Duty Warfare 64 online.

So we're virtually heading back to the years when PCs were beefier than consoles and they were stationed not too far off from dens or living rooms and yet still served as office space. Only back-asswards.