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If anyone's performed or acquired scarification through a emotionally stable, considered act of body modification, or an emotionally unstable act of self harm and are thinking of tattooing over or around it, you need to give it at least 2 years to heal fully, otherwise the pigments in the tattoo ink won't hold as the skin cells are still in an unstable state of reconstruction.

Just putting that out there.

Regarding the sexualization of such acts, it neither disgusts me or turns me on, so I don't have much to add on that front.
 

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manic_depressive13 said:
theparsonski said:
Hate to derail the thread, but I don't think bravery is not caring about being hurt. That's the same as being a fucking idiot.

I'd say bravery is overcoming fear. Not having no fear, but being scared shitless and yet still going through with whatever it is you're afraid of. In fact, the more scared you are, the braver you are when you perform the act.
If someone has a crippling fear of moths, I don't think facing a moth makes them brave. They didn't do anything exceptional by facing the moth. If anything they are somewhat pathetic for being afraid of moths in the first place.

Also, I didn't say bravery is not caring about being hurt. I said having "a certain disregard" for your own wellbeing makes you brave. This does not mean that everything self-destructive qualifies as bravery, but I do believe you have to be taking a risk for me to consider your actions brave. For example you might protect someone who is being attacked at risk to yourself, or dissent against a regime you strongly disagree with even though it might land you in jail. That is true bravery because you know there may be negative consequences for yourself but you choose to stand up for what you believe in.

Having said that, I don't see how not caring about being hurt makes you a "fucking idiot". If you do something without considering the consequences and end up injuring yourself, yes, you're a bit of an idiot. However, if you appreciate the consequences but choose to go through with it, you might be self-destructive but that doesn't make you stupid. A lot of incredibly intelligent people have had self-destructive tendencies.
It doesn't matter what someone is afraid of, if they face fear then they're brave. Taking risks is brave unless you don't care about the risk. If someone was attacking a helpless woman, and you were afraid of helping her because the guy had a knife but you did it anyway, then that would be brave because you face your fear.
However, if you'd been trained in a dozen martial arts and been in a load of street fights, enough that taking the attacker out is natural and not scary to you at all, then dropping him wouldn't be brave, it would just be doing the right thing.

It doesn't matter whether being afraid of moths is pathetic or not, if someone is terrified and yet they faced the moth anyway then that is very brave.

When I said that not caring about your own well-being was being an idiot, I meant it in the context of not appreciating the consequences of sticking your hand in the blender while it's switched on. However, appreciating the consequences and not being bothered by them doesn't make you brave for doing it. Bravery is all to do with fear, and standing up to it.
 

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theparsonski said:
I disagree. I think it is possible to be brave without being afraid, and I don't think being afraid of something is enough to make you brave if you face it. I think facing a situation where a reasonable person can be expected to be afraid is brave regardless of whether you yourself are afraid. The person with martial arts training is not less brave than the random ineffectual person, even if they were less afraid. Even someone with martial arts training knows that it is possible to lose a fight. They may not be afraid of getting killed, but they were still knowingly taking a risk.

To use another example, two people are about to go sky diving. Both of them know there is a possibility that their parachute won't open. The first person is terrified of this outcome, the second person acknowledges the outcome but doesn't fear it nearly to the extent that the first person does. They both jump. Even though they both carried out the same act, you would say person one was the braver of the two because he had the most misgivings. I say they are both equally brave because they knew the potential consequences but went ahead with the act. I would however say that person two was the more reasonable of the two because realistically the chances of a parachute not opening are rather small and so it is stupid to work yourself up over it.
 

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I dunno, I'm pretty normal and tame sexually, but one of the only things that is odd which I find attractive is amputees. I think a lot of people can be pretty much normal sexually, then discover one or two odd things that don't gel with the other stuff that they find very sensous and sexy. I have two, including amputees, but other than that anything too graphic freaks me out. Maybe it's just something like that. You have found your weird fetish.
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
Anyone have any ideas? Thoughts? General comments? Heard of this sort of thing before? Share away!
If you have any spare time i'd like to encourage you to read "The Cipher" and "Skin" novels by Mrs. Kathe Koja.

I think you may find them interesting because of somewhat similar mood, atmosphere and theme. :]

OT : I guess pretty everyone has his or her own fetish. Some are more wild than another, still it's not something uncommon and unless we're dealing with some serious sick shit, there's really nothing to be either ashamed or proud of. Just yet another aspect of this weird thing we call "life". ;]
 

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This sounds like something I need to watch. I can't watch the clip at the moment (at work), but from the description, it sounds right up my alley.

And everyone has their fetishes OP. Your's really isn't all that uncommon or odd, to be honest. I know a few people who share the same interest (myself included, though I go beyond bruises and scars in the long run). I don't think its an inferiority complex or anything, but what do I know? I barely passed my advanced Psychology course xD
 

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I not a judgemental person but WHAT THE FUCK, GUYS?! I'm sorry, I really am, but I don't get this one bit... How can you you find this kind of thing attractive? I'm genuinely curious as to what about self inflicted harm you find so... er... enticing... Help me out here...
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
I just watched a movie I found while digging around through various film review sites, entitled In My Skin. That's the English translation, anyway. It's about a woman's changing views of her own body after she falls onto some metal, cutting and scarring her leg. The event triggers or awakens in her a strange sort of detachment from her body. She begins noticing a fascination forming with her flesh and form, the textures, tastes, scents and curves all intrigue her, as if her body is an object she's observing from the outside.

Over the course of the movie her mental state deteriorates and her interest turns into an obsession and an insatiable appetite to explore every inch of her skin. She begins cutting and tearing at her legs and arms in private, going so far as to taste and consume pieces she removes. She hides the scars from her boyfriend and fakes a car accident to conceal the truth when her latest exploration with a knife leaves her covered in blood and jagged gouges. She even begins to see limbs detached from her, like alien items that endlessly intrigue her. Through it all she feels no pain, only a lust and hunger. It's almost sexual in its driving urge and the release is intensely emotional, almost orgasmic for her.

Anyway, long story short, I found the film highly erotic. The actual mutilation wasn't the erotic part, mind. While that had its moments and she certainly committed a lot of lust to the role, it was the aftermath of the cutting and scratching I found so interesting. The way her legs and arms looked after attacking them just seemed... palpable. It's hard to describe. But the scars and blood made her look rather sexy. I've mentioned before in a comment or two that bruised legs (especially knees) and scarred arms on women are for some reason very pretty in my eyes, but this was the first time I was physically aroused by the site.

All of it has got me wondering - why? It's not sadist in nature and the act of inflicting pain isn't a turn on and neither is the actual self-harm. A little rough play and submissive bondage, the kind your average person with a bit of a kink would do for fun on a Friday night, sure. But actual harm, like spanking or S&M is about as unerotic to me as it gets. But why the bruises and scars? I've looked at it from different angles and the best answer I can come up with involves some form of inferiority complex. I mean, if someone feels weak or afraid of intimacy, what better way to overcome that than by sexualizing weakness or non-threatening partners. But that doesn't sound like me at all. Anyone that knows me would disagree with that notion.

Anyone have any ideas? Thoughts? General comments? Heard of this sort of thing before? Share away!

Here's a scene for those interested:

A Blunt response: Maybe you're just into Gore.

A Blunt question: Do you find amputees or certain physically handicapped people appealing in anyway or form?

My theory is that you might have an interest in Wounded individuals, specifically ones who don't take umbrage to it or may even embrace it. It might just be the physical presence of weakness, but maybe you also find underlining weakness endearing as well? Maybe a person with a traumatic past or some other form of emotional tragedy that affected them, is equally "palpable" to you?

How does that sound?

EDIT: I wouldn't dare to try and classify what this is in terms of psychological analyses as I'm not trained as such, but I like trying to deduce plausible reasons as to why people feel or act in a certain way...
 

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I'm not a fan of spilling bodily fluids of any kind, or injuries, scars, etc. of any kind. Thus, this thread is kind of horrifying to me in a "Candlelight Cove" kind of way.
 

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Lt._nefarious said:
I not a judgemental person but WHAT THE FUCK, GUYS?! I'm sorry, I really am, but I don't get this one bit... How can you you find this kind of thing attractive? I'm genuinely curious as to what about self inflicted harm you find so... er... enticing... Help me out here...
I suppose it's the same thing that allows for coprophilia, macrophilia, etc...

ie. The human brain is weeeeeeeeeiiiiiiird.
 

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This whole thread sounds like a cannibal corpse song. Yeah just wanted to say that.
 

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manic_depressive13 said:
theparsonski said:
I disagree. I think it is possible to be brave without being afraid, and I don't think being afraid of something is enough to make you brave if you face it. I think facing a situation where a reasonable person can be expected to be afraid is brave regardless of whether you yourself are afraid. The person with martial arts training is not less brave than the random ineffectual person, even if they were less afraid. Even someone with martial arts training knows that it is possible to lose a fight. They may not be afraid of getting killed, but they were still knowingly taking a risk.

To use another example, two people are about to go sky diving. Both of them know there is a possibility that their parachute won't open. The first person is terrified of this outcome, the second person acknowledges the outcome but doesn't fear it nearly to the extent that the first person does. They both jump. Even though they both carried out the same act, you would say person one was the braver of the two because he had the most misgivings. I say they are both equally brave because they knew the potential consequences but went ahead with the act. I would however say that person two was the more reasonable of the two because realistically the chances of a parachute not opening are rather small and so it is stupid to work yourself up over it.
I still disagree, mainly because it would take more effort and willpower for the terrified skydiver to go through with the jump, and I would call the difference of fear levels between the two skydivers rationality, not bravery. I can kind of see where you're coming from, though.
A woman named Joanna Baillie is credited with this quote:

"The brave man is not he who feels no fear, For that were stupid and irrational; But he, whose noble soul its fear subdues, And bravely dares the danger nature shrinks from?

This is basically what I'm trying to say, thoughts?

EDIT: By the way Clearing the Eye, I'm sorry for derailing your thread in such a way. I'm as bad as Daystar...
 

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Lt._nefarious said:
I not a judgemental person but WHAT THE FUCK, GUYS?! I'm sorry, I really am, but I don't get this one bit... How can you you find this kind of thing attractive? I'm genuinely curious as to what about self inflicted harm you find so... er... enticing... Help me out here...
Variety is the spice of life.

There are numerous reasons as to why people develop fetishes for certain things, usually they can be traced to some prior experience that affected them in some deep rooted way.

I have a bizarre fetish for muscular flexing... despite the fact I find Body Builders repulsive. I don't even mean I have a thing for muscular physiques, but the actual movement of muscles under the skin seems to stir me in unintended ways.

I find going to the gym a generally mortifying experience as a result of this. I can ignore all the hot pants and sweat drenched T-shirts and get on with my own exercise, but a well toned thigh or shoulder muscle just makes me weak.
 

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If you're not into actually inflicting horrible mutilation upon others, I'm going to look at this in the most positive way possible and hope that there's some horribly maimed woman who you will be able to know on an intimate level and appreciate without her past tragedies holding your love back.

That being said, I now need brain bleach. Great.
 

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JoshTheREfan said:
This whole thread sounds like a cannibal corpse song. Yeah just wanted to say that.
Beauty is subjective, but I can't even begin to sympathize with someone who sees beauty in a hammer-smashed face. Catharsis, maybe... but not beauty.

I think (hope) this would stem from never having seen the mutilated corpse of someone you knew in real life. Ah, the cultural side-effects of longevity through modern medicine.
 

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My comment was mostly about the title and the movie description but I think it would take some kind of unnatural 'talent' to get off to something like hammer-smashed face. o.o
 

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lacktheknack said:
Lt._nefarious said:
I not a judgemental person but WHAT THE FUCK, GUYS?! I'm sorry, I really am, but I don't get this one bit... How can you you find this kind of thing attractive? I'm genuinely curious as to what about self inflicted harm you find so... er... enticing... Help me out here...
I suppose it's the same thing that allows for coprophilia, macrophilia, etc...

ie. The human brain is weeeeeeeeeiiiiiiird.
Wait, wait, wait, the fuck is coprophilia and macrophilia? I have a feeling I should know this but I don't so would you kindly explain?

Or is it better I don't know?
 

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Lt._nefarious said:
Wait, wait, wait, the fuck is coprophilia and macrophilia? I have a feeling I should know this but I don't so would you kindly explain?

Or is it better I don't know?
Coprophilia is the fetish for faeces, and macrophilia is the fetish for giants.
 

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theparsonski said:
I still disagree, mainly because it would take more effort and willpower for the terrified skydiver to go through with the jump, and I would call the difference of fear levels between the two skydivers rationality, not bravery. I can kind of see where you're coming from, though.
A woman named Joanna Baillie is credited with this quote:

"The brave man is not he who feels no fear, For that were stupid and irrational; But he, whose noble soul its fear subdues, And bravely dares the danger nature shrinks from?

This is basically what I'm trying to say, thoughts?

EDIT: By the way Clearing the Eye, I'm sorry for derailing your thread in such a way. I'm as bad as Daystar...
The quote pretty much agrees with both of us as it says a brave person "dares the danger nature shrinks from". Thus, the potential for harm needs to exist before someone's actions can be considered brave, or else the very fact that they are afraid makes them kind of stupid. They need to subdue their fear and disregard their own wellbeing. Therefore, my initial statement stands.