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So I've been reading the Black Lagoon manga for the first time start-to-finish (I have watched the anime + OVA + read volume 10 before now), and am realizing how in love with the series I actually am. The thing that really, really sucks, however, is that the creator keeps going on hiatus and hasn't put out a chapter in over a year! The previous story arc was a huge turning point in the story, and set the stage for a compelling second act that seems to be taking us towards the manga's inevitable conclusion. Problem is, there's no way to know that for sure. Not only is the creator not communicating if and when he's working on chapters or going on hiatus, he also hasn't given any indication as to how much longer we can expect the story to go on for. There's no indication that he will even finish the current arc!

And don't even get me started on Berserk! Christ almighty! Berserk fans are in the same "boat" as GoT book fans!

I greatly respect the creators however, and don't actually hold any kind of grudge against them. I understand that there are a million other factors they must consider in their lives and that their supposed magnum opus can't always be the priority.

That said, it would be nice to hear something from them every now and then XD

Anyone else have this issue with any series they love? Other issues can be considered as well, such as something you love having shitty fans, loving the work but condemning the bigoted creator, etc.

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Yeah, Manga writers/artists have a bad tendency to have their schedule slip.

Hellsing took 10 years for 10 volumes. The evangelion manga took 18 years to finish with at times a whole year between chapters. And let's not get started on JoJo.
 

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Well as a huge Jurassic Park fan, I can't help but owe up to the fact that Lost World was pretty crappy, despite me loving it to bits. Dammit sequels, why did you have to make me love a shitty thing? Mind you, I haven't seen Jurassic World yet, but I doubt it'll feel like the first one did.

It's also quite hard to be a tabletop RPG fan sometimes. Why? Because sometimes, in your playgroup, you have to deal with That Guy. Be it the neckbeard-y furry who insists on getting all creepily sexual with his character in play, or the screeching GM who wants to make everything revolve around their Mary Sue DMPC and everything in-between. Sometimes it can be really hard to have a good time with a fantastic p&p system, different/worse than with other boardgames or multiplayer videogames.
 

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I sympathize with Yahtzee: it's hard being a Silent Hill fan. Too many mediocre games have come out beginning with Origins.
 

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I need more Gravity Falls. Very very badly. I haven't heard anything about the next season and it's starting to kill me.
 

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I want Gen Urobuchi to stop letting other writers work on his stories or ideas, otherwise we get disappointments like Aldnoah.Zero, or worse, steaming hot garbage like Psycho-Pass 2.

And I want more Madoka. Please don't do the same thing with Madoka!
 

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Ah yes, the infamous hiatus. I've been a Berserk fan for many years and it thought me a great deal of patience. That reminds me I haven't checked for updates in nearly a year. Maybe a new chapter is out? Though when I rewatched The Advent and it teased continuation of the story in 2013 I couldn't help but be slightly disappointed.
 

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Fappy said:
And don't even get me started on Berserk! Christ almighty! Berserk fans are in the same "boat" as GoT book fans!
Heh, I see what you did there. True, Berserk is pain. You have to be some sort of masochist to stay with the series at this point. I basically consider the series abandoned.... which is one of the worst tragedies to befall modern art. Maybe a greater tragedy then the work itself.

dangoball said:
Ah yes, the infamous hiatus. I've been a Berserk fan for many years and it thought me a great deal of patience. That reminds me I haven't checked for updates in nearly a year. Maybe a new chapter is out? Though when I rewatched The Advent and it teased continuation of the story in 2013 I couldn't help but be slightly disappointed.
There has been. It's immensely satisfying... at which point you'll feel even worse then you did before.
 

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[Kira Must Die said:
]I want Gen Urobuchi to stop letting other writers work on his stories or ideas, otherwise we get disappointments like Aldnoah.Zero, or worse, steaming hot garbage like Psycho-Pass 2.

And I want more Madoka. Please don't do the same thing with Madoka!
I hear he's pretty burned out on Madoka, which is a bummer. Though I'd rather he left it as is than hand it off to someone else.

OT: Imagine finding that elusive ice cream cone in hell, that diamond in a coal mine that is the really good fanfic, one that respects the original setting and characters but then builds on them to tell a new story, one that might even be (blasphemy!) better than the original. Now imagine tearing through the story, becoming invested in the plot and falling in love with the characters all over again. Then you get to the end and...cliffhanger.

You check the dates. Updated twice in the last five years.

Word from the author? Complete silence. They've gone completely off the grid. That, or they're now devoted to some other story for a fandom that you don't care about and is highly unlikely to turn their attention to the first story ever again.
 

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Zontar said:
Hellsing took 10 years for 10 volumes. The evangelion manga took 18 years to finish with at times a whole year between chapters.
I'm still waiting for the remainder of Hellsing Ultimate to get put on DVD before I buy the box set. I saw all the way up until Serras cleared out Hellsing HQ and was headed to London....and I've been waiting for a while to see the end.

Eva is even worse, as I didn't hate 3.0 because I have a tiny sliver of hope that 3.0 is setting up something awesome for 4.0. Not that I'll get to see 4.0 in my lifetime, it seems, considering there's not even a dub release date for 3.0.

Maybe I should just read the Manga and say, screw it.


dangoball said:
Ah yes, the infamous hiatus. I've been a Berserk fan for many years and it thought me a great deal of patience. That reminds me I haven't checked for updates in nearly a year. Maybe a new chapter is out? Though when I rewatched The Advent and it teased continuation of the story in 2013 I couldn't help but be slightly disappointed.
I've only seen the original series and not the OVA. I really want to see what happened after the cliffhanger, but I don't know if the OVA is worth it and if the Manga STILL isn't finished......
 

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Shit, dude, now I gotta read the Black Lagoon manga. It's one of my favorite anime shows.

y u do dis 2 me fappy

I mean, I love Castlevania and Mega Man but it's pretty obvious that recent events are essentially bringing those series back in spirit. So I'm pretty giddy recently as far as being a fan of things goes. As far as Berserk I think I'm just going to wait forever until there are a significant number of new chapters around...if that ever happens.
 

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I gotta agree, the Black Lagoon pauses are ridiculous. I'm willing to accept them, though, if it means it maintains the quality it has had. I can't wait for the next chapter though, things are starting to get interesting.
 

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Zontar said:
And let's not get started on JoJo.
And what about it? Araki hasnt missed a deadline in over 30 years, and its been a monthly serial ever since Steel Ball Run.
 

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Fox12 said:
Fappy said:
And don't even get me started on Berserk! Christ almighty! Berserk fans are in the same "boat" as GoT book fans!
Heh, I see what you did there. True, Berserk is pain. You have to be some sort of masochist to stay with the series at this point. I basically consider the series abandoned.... which is one of the worst tragedies to befall modern art. Maybe a greater tragedy then the work itself.
This series got too big to finish in any respectable way though. The world is too big and the characters too numerous that to tie everything up would drive mortal men crazy. Everything is focussed on Griffith, and yet there's still four other Godhand lurking behind the veil. The fact that Miura managed to push this story as far as he did without shit completely falling apart is a feaking miracle on its own.

OT: Yes, being a fan can be tough sometimes. Especially when an anime series you sorta like is released on blu-ray and you do kinda want it, but still, it's 86 bucks. Damn you, Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water!
 

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Casual Shinji said:
This series got too big to finish in any respectable way though. The world is too big and the characters too numerous that to tie everything up would drive mortal men crazy. Everything is focussed on Griffith, and yet there's still four other Godhand lurking behind the veil. The fact that Miura managed to push this story as far as he did without shit completely falling apart is a feaking miracle on its own.
Despite all the craziness going on around them, I think the main plot is still laser focused on the Guts-Casca-Griffith tragedy, despite how many detours we've seen. I don't think we'll see Guts running around slaying this god and that, only to have a big batman boss battle at the end of the tale. The way I see it, the events in Falconia will thematically tie into Griffith's original sin--setting the stage for the final confrontation between Guts, Casca and Griffith, in whatever form that takes.

While I am dying to see how the series concludes, I'm one of those fans that is mostly holding out hope that Casca's arc has some major payoff soon. We've invested so much at this point! She needs justice!
 

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As a Berserk fan, I believe that all of us here, it doesn't matter what series we are devoted to, deserve more.
After all, we remain faithful after all this time. We should all stick out and give our support to th-

Wait. What did you just say Fappy?

Fappy said:
Berserk fans are in the same "boat" as GoT book fans!
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... Did you just say ... [HEADING=3]Boat.[/HEADING]

... [HEADING=2]Boat.[/HEADING]

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... [HEADING=1]BOAT![/HEADING]

[sub][sub][sub]This fucking boat! [http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/berserk/images/e/ed/Sea_Horse.png/revision/latest?cb=20110506124746][/sub][/sub][/sub]
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*Deep breaths*
Let us ... Keep calm on that matter.
After all, us Berserk fans have plenty to keep us alive. Like this [http://a.mhcdn.net/store/manga/176/337.0/compressed/k013.jpg?v=1412379733] and beating up the Griffith apologists. To be honest though, all we have to do is wait. Either we get more and rejoice, or we get none and move on with our lives.

Though nothing will be like Berserk.
And of course the other series listed here.
 

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StormShaun said:
As a Berserk fan, I believe that all of us here, it doesn't matter what series we are devoted to, deserve more.
After all, we remain faithful after all this time. We should all stick out and give our support to th-

Wait. What did you just say Fappy?

Fappy said:
Berserk fans are in the same "boat" as GoT book fans!
... Did ...


... Did you just say ... [HEADING=3]Boat.[/HEADING]

... [HEADING=2]Boat.[/HEADING]

...

... [HEADING=1]BOAT![/HEADING]

[sub][sub][sub]This fucking boat! [http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/berserk/images/e/ed/Sea_Horse.png/revision/latest?cb=20110506124746][/sub][/sub][/sub]
[sub][sub][sub][sub][/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub]

*Deep breaths*
Let us ... Keep calm on that matter.
After all, us Berserk fans have plenty to keep us alive. Like this [http://a.mhcdn.net/store/manga/176/337.0/compressed/k013.jpg?v=1412379733] and beating up the Griffith apologists. To be honest though, all we have to do is wait. Either we get more and rejoice, or we get none and move on with our lives.

Though nothing will be like Berserk.
And of course the other series listed here.
Griffith apologists are some of the most reviled people I have ever seen in a fandom.

Though, to be fair... they kind of deserve it XD
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Fox12 said:
Fappy said:
And don't even get me started on Berserk! Christ almighty! Berserk fans are in the same "boat" as GoT book fans!
Heh, I see what you did there. True, Berserk is pain. You have to be some sort of masochist to stay with the series at this point. I basically consider the series abandoned.... which is one of the worst tragedies to befall modern art. Maybe a greater tragedy then the work itself.
This series got too big to finish in any respectable way though. The world is too big and the characters too numerous that to tie everything up would drive mortal men crazy. Everything is focussed on Griffith, and yet there's still four other Godhand lurking behind the veil. The fact that Miura managed to push this story as far as he did without shit completely falling apart is a feaking miracle on its own.
I actually disagree. There is still a way for this to work, thematically. The series is heavily symbolic, and there's a lot going on. So I see two ways for this to end (assuming it ends). One good, one bad.

The first is tied into the anti-religious aspects of the story. Essentially, The Idea of Evil exists to validate humanity and give it a reason for all of its suffering. It's a way to avoid the nihilistic reality of the Berserk world. Killing the Idea of Evil, in essence, would mean killing the idea of God in humanity. Humanity would then be free to set its own course, and find its own meaning. It's kind of like How Shinji learns to validate himself by giving himself value. Once he has that self confidence, he's free to find meaning in his own life, and others come to respect his self confidence. It's kind of like that, except replace Shinji with the entire human race. Of course, Guts could never win a physical battle with the Idea of Evil, so there would have to be some kind of symbolic victory. Essentially, this ending would probably be rooted in Nietzsche's philosophy. There's also the tragedy of the main trio. Griffith has taken the body of Caska's son, so he still feels some emotion. This is his Achilles heel, as his greatest sin could be his downfall. Skull Knight will probably destroy himself killing Void. Schierke will probably survive, but have to kill Sonia during the final climactic struggle. There will be many tears.

The second possible ending is that Guts just gets a big spiritual army made up of elves, creatures, and the four spirits of nature. Then he just pounds on Griffiths army, and a lot of main characters die. This would be disappointing and predictable, though. So I hope this doesn't happen. There's still room to save Berserk, it's just incredibly difficult to maintain that level of quality.
 

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Fappy said:
Casual Shinji said:
This series got too big to finish in any respectable way though. The world is too big and the characters too numerous that to tie everything up would drive mortal men crazy. Everything is focussed on Griffith, and yet there's still four other Godhand lurking behind the veil. The fact that Miura managed to push this story as far as he did without shit completely falling apart is a feaking miracle on its own.
Despite all the craziness going on around them, I think the main plot is still laser focused on the Guts-Casca-Griffith tragedy, despite how many detours we've seen. I don't think we'll see Guts running around slaying this god and that, only to have a big batman boss battle at the end of the tale. The way I see it, the events in Falconia will thematically tie into Griffith's original sin--setting the stage for the final confrontation between Guts, Casca and Griffith, in whatever form that takes.

While I am dying to see how the series concludes, I'm one of those fans that is mostly holding out hope that Casca's arc has some major payoff soon. We've invested so much at this point! She needs justice!
Have you forgotten the kid though? That still needs to come into play too.

If (and that's a big fucking 'if') it ever does come to a confrontation between Guts, Caska, and Griffith I'd wager it's Caska who'll be the key to Griffith's "defeat". Afterall, technically she is his mother. And remember when Guts and Griffith met again after the Tower of Confiction arc on the cemetery, and Griffith shields Caska from falling rocks? She placed her hand on his chest and later on when he flies off he remembers it and flinches slightly. Meaning Caska can touch him, when no one else, not even Guts, can.

But then we also still have to get to the part where Caska actually regains her memory of who she was, which could quite possibly destroy her mind. One of the things I'm sad the story doesn't seem to continue with is the notion that Guts wanting Caska's memory back is for selfish reasons. Skullknight said that it might not have a positive outcome, since she forgot everything for a reason, but that Guts just wants the woman he loves back, and to have someone else to grieve with, even if that grief might be too much for Caska to handle.