I could be intelligent if I wanted to but I cor be arsed same with common sense, too much effort.
Being Smart and Having Common Sense are two Different Things
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I'm surprised nobody's brought up the seperate Intelligence/Wisdom stats you find in most tabletop RPGs. Often you can build all sorts of smart, savvy or stupid into the same character.
My wife keeps telling me this on a daily basis. If there is a more complicated way of doing things, that's the way I'll choose to do it.
True, but prevention is the best cure.Suicidejim said:
Unless there were some form of enchanted blowjob that cured all ailments. Then I'd probably prefer that.
This is something I have. Admittedly though, sometimes I do it out of spite.Programmed_For_Damage said:
e.g. I'm setting up X piece of technology for someone and if I get one word of lip, you're getting cords connected to extension cords connected to extension cords, being run through the walls and turning your house into an insulated spider's web.
I disagree. I think being smart is having a willingness to learn and a capacity for critical thinking and complex reasoning. There is no reason why a person with even basic reasoning skills should lack what is considered common sense unless they are being willfully ignorant. You can have all the domain knowledge you want, if you can't understand simple concepts unrelated to your field of research you are a dumbass as far as I am concerned.
When you say this.. i immediately think of my mum.. highly educated/intelligent.. but lacks common sense.. one day she had this electrical item out in the rain.. i think it was a TV.. and after its been out in the rain for a few days and probably 1 day after that.. shes like i need to test this tv.. its had time to dry outside from the rain... and she was about to bring it in and plug it in and turn it on.. its like mum.. im sorry to say but youre a bit dim if youre going to plug this into the wall because its electric and wet.. so yea Smarts doesnt equal Common Sense
A professor at my university received honours from both China and Japan, and has an immense understanding of their language, culture and history.
Before every course he had an assistant who would have to connect his laptop with the classroom's projector. Apparently he still isn't able to make his own coffee.
My father's a professor at a high school, but he can't heat up his own food in the microwave.
So yes, intelligence and common sense are, sometimes, worlds apart.
Before every course he had an assistant who would have to connect his laptop with the classroom's projector. Apparently he still isn't able to make his own coffee.
My father's a professor at a high school, but he can't heat up his own food in the microwave.
So yes, intelligence and common sense are, sometimes, worlds apart.
Mods don't like it when you call people trolls so you may want to watch yourself a little bit more carefully.Shaved Apple said:
Even that isn't necessarily true (not that it is wrong either). From what I can tell, there are two schools of thought on it. There is the idea that the rain makes you cold so you use more energy on warmth and your immune system takes a hit, which I believe is what you were saying. But there is also a different idea that when it rains people go inside and as such are more tightly packed and in closer contact making the spread of pathogens easier. The first seems more biological in nature and the second more pathological. As such, the idea is not even a little bit common sense as going inside during the rain can even increase the likelihood of catching something. Bad example on his part I suppose haha.Matthew94 said:
OT: The smartest man I know is a teacher at my school and he regularly leaves his keys in doors and cannot find them. He once lost them when they were on a lanyard around his neck. He also will give me instructions (I work on the school website and he is the supervisor) and leave the room in the middle of giving them and will be clueless about how I wasn't sure what to do despite the fact he was in another room when he gave the instructions. So yeah the two are definitely very different.
Yea stay out in the rain you will get a cold which still means staying out there for awhile. Lol
Though then you have fluid vs crystallised intelligence, where knowledge (facts, figures, known processes/patterns) is crystallised, and the capacity to learn novel concepts and adapt quickly to novel situations is fluid.Riki Darnell said:
OT: I'd wager that common sense is merely a kind of intelligence dealing with shoulds and should nots, rather than is and is nots. For example, 2 + 2 is 4, and is an example of is/isn't intelligence, whereas not standing out in the rain because a lowered immune system isn't conducive to what you want, is being able to think/understand what you should/n't do.
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It's the Clash of the Egos!
On topic: Yes, I think that intelligence and common sense are two different things. The smartest people I know academically are also some of the most useless people I know, and I know plenty of academically dumb people that excel in other areas.
It's like the difference between knowledge and wisdom: In your brain storing information is a different skill to being able to process and use information.
It's the Clash of the Egos!
On topic: Yes, I think that intelligence and common sense are two different things. The smartest people I know academically are also some of the most useless people I know, and I know plenty of academically dumb people that excel in other areas.
It's like the difference between knowledge and wisdom: In your brain storing information is a different skill to being able to process and use information.
my brother being an example..smart guy but it took him a while to figure out things
[i/]ok, so we'll boil an egg
how long?
10 mintues I think
how do you know?
I just do, I'm pretty sure thats for how long
yeah, but do you know exactally?
well...I'm pretty sure I remember
but you know know exactally?....I'll call mum
for fucks sake...[/i]
as for me....hmmm..I guess I have some common sense
[i/]ok, so we'll boil an egg
how long?
10 mintues I think
how do you know?
I just do, I'm pretty sure thats for how long
yeah, but do you know exactally?
well...I'm pretty sure I remember
but you know know exactally?....I'll call mum
for fucks sake...[/i]
as for me....hmmm..I guess I have some common sense
No, it doesn't mean "people who disagree with me".Shaved Apple said:
Time has not been a factor, yes. Why you mention it now is beyond me. We just said that being in the rain =/= catching a cold. Then you called us trolls for saying something that contradicted your example. Here it is: you cannot catch a cold solely from going out in the rain. It is simply impossible, no matter the length of time you spend there. Cold is a virus you catch from other people - rain doesn't carry it, nor does actual temperature (also, cold isn't best buddies with the cold temperature either).Shaved Apple said:
So, do you agree that your example was wrong?
Notice how you and him were the only ones to say anything about the stupid rain? You have missed the point of this thread for so long lol. If you like i can come up with another example I don't think it will matter though because you seem like one of those kids who disagrees with everything until you think you have proven yourself. And no I called you a troll because you thought I was trying to make people think i had common sense? By saying that you pretty much tried to make me look like the bad guy when I'm just curious to see what people think about being smart and having common sense. This pointless argument has gone on for too long so have a nice day now.
I find this extremely ironic. You state that a person will catch cold, as an item of "wisdom" that people without common sense lack.Shaved Apple said:
No. If there is an increased risk of contracting colds from standing out in the rain, it is far less than that of other things like not washing your hands. I've stood, walked, hiked, camped, and played in the rain for hours at a time without getting sick.
Yes, being smart and having common sense are two different things, and you demonstrate very well what is wrong with people who regard common sense with any significant amount of respect.
There is no such thing as "common sense" it doesn't exist. This phrase is used normally innocently but is propogated by the arrogant, since it is used to mean "something that I know and I think you are stupid for not knowing." This is why all out sayings and old wive's tales are classed as "common sense" including the OP's example, regardless of if they are true or not.
There are people who have focused more of their brain power on theoretical physics, for example, and thus lack a large part of social interaction. Just as there are millions of people who focus on social interaction whilst ignoring theoretical physics. These things all exist as a continuum, a sliding scale between points not just a binary system of those two points.
Also, on a side note to address intelligence/experience debate, many of the sciences are actually based less on Maths and Equations and more on Experience, for example, fluid dynamics still takes more of its solutions out of reference books and examples, mainly because our equations cannot actually account for all the forces involved, just like climate science and meteorology. This is why the weather forecasts can be so drastically wrong, whilst your grandmothers mottos still work quite well.
We need both experience and intelligence in this society to be held as knowledge since they complement each other, and this whole "common sense" thing is another way that people have been denegrating nerds and intellectuals for decades if not centuries.
There are people who have focused more of their brain power on theoretical physics, for example, and thus lack a large part of social interaction. Just as there are millions of people who focus on social interaction whilst ignoring theoretical physics. These things all exist as a continuum, a sliding scale between points not just a binary system of those two points.
Also, on a side note to address intelligence/experience debate, many of the sciences are actually based less on Maths and Equations and more on Experience, for example, fluid dynamics still takes more of its solutions out of reference books and examples, mainly because our equations cannot actually account for all the forces involved, just like climate science and meteorology. This is why the weather forecasts can be so drastically wrong, whilst your grandmothers mottos still work quite well.
We need both experience and intelligence in this society to be held as knowledge since they complement each other, and this whole "common sense" thing is another way that people have been denegrating nerds and intellectuals for decades if not centuries.