Belarus asks for Russian intervention

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A country having nukes means nothing more than that other countries need to be very circumspect about attacking it. They don't make the economy better [...]
Quite the opposite, given the exorbitant cost of maintenance.
 
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Quite the opposite, given the exorbitant cost of maintenance.
This is why Korea isn't invaded. This is why Iran dreams of it. This is why S. Africa disposed of theirs. This is why the Zionists have it. A Nuke is a massive deterrent. It can't be dismissed.
 

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Didn't Lukashenko have a few falling outs with Putin recently? Putin never had the same amicable relation with him as with eg Nazarbajev or Kadyrov. But he probably also didn't need to considering the only strategic objective was to keep Belarus out of the E.U's. sphere of influence. Easy to do for Kulaschenko as Putin delivered gas to Belarus at sharply reduced prices and asked no pesky human rights questions. Interventions like in Georgia or Ukraine were definitely never needed let alone annexation like Crimea despite Belarus having quite a few minority Russians and borders on Nato territory. Even Putin probably thinks Lukashenko is a lost cause in a country that has gone nowhere for decades.

Can't blame the younger population for being tired of this perpetual stagnation. Most people with chances abroad already seem to have left anyway.
 

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This is why Korea isn't invaded. This is why Iran dreams of it. This is why S. Africa disposed of theirs. This is why the Zionists have it. A Nuke is a massive deterrent. It can't be dismissed.
For some countries in specific situations, sure. But what purpose does the UK's submarine-based deterrent play that isn't just as well covered by the US (or other defence treaties)?
 

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Didn't Lukashenko have a few falling outs with Putin recently?
I thought I'd heard that - at least on a personal level - Lukashenko can annoy Putin quite a lot. But generally, he's very reliable been an ally of Moscow.

I'd not been aware of Russia-Belarus fallings out but you're right, they have had a few spats recently. This all fits together: Lukashenko's grip on the country has been slipping, as this election reveals, and his more critical comments of the last year or so will almost certainly be him realising his people are unhappy, and he's been trying to reposition to head off some of the damage. After all, any dictator can be brought down by sufficient unpopularity.
 
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This is why Korea isn't invaded. This is why Iran dreams of it. This is why S. Africa disposed of theirs. This is why the Zionists have it. A Nuke is a massive deterrent. It can't be dismissed.
N. Korea's deterrent isn't nukes, it's having a billion pounds of artillery pointed at Seoul just over the border.
 

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I thought I'd heard that - at least on a personal level - Lukashenko can annoy Putin quite a lot. But generally, he's very reliable been an ally of Moscow.

I'd not been aware of Russia-Belarus fallings out but you're right, they have had a few spats recently. This all fits together: Lukashenko's grip on the country has been slipping, as this election reveals, and his more critical comments of the last year or so will almost certainly be him realising his people are unhappy, and he's been trying to reposition to head off some of the damage. After all, any dictator can be brought down by sufficient unpopularity.
Yeah, but there isn't really anywhere for Lukashenko to go. He needs Gazprom and he can't approach the E.U. for obvious reasons. Ukraine atleast had association treaties so that was much more of direct threat to Moscow. Even the Baltics with it's missile shield in flashpoint territory is considered much more of a threat. Belarus not really. Espescially not now they had elections that were totally not rigged.
 

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There must be some art to rigging elections.

Some sort of sweet spot to make it look like it might have been a genuine result, but to also cement the power of the supremo. A margin for the dictator that's too big just makes it too obvious he cheated, but a margin too small can give the opposition hope he might be overthrown. I mean, Lukachenko clearly made the former mistake with such an absurdly large victory it was kind of insulting.

More to the point, why do these guys even have elections when everyone knows they cheat?
I imagine 51% or if the system requires a majority vote or if it were like the USA system, even a winning minority vote I'd guess. That way even when most people around you obviously hate them you can blame a small minority of fanatic supporters as the unseen boogey man. Make it look like you barely won. I heard he claim he won by 80% for a hated leader that obviously has too few supporters in a smaller country that can be pretty transparent.

But then again it probably depends how you cheat, if you can just ignore votes and declare yourself a winner at the end thats easy, but if you had to cheat by stuffing ballots and having tricked honest people counting votes that's another thing and you could actually lose by not stuffing enough fake votes in.
 

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This seems like important context:
Fuck off with that fucking Greyzone “every uprising I dislike is the CIA” bullshit, having the same capitalist stooge in charge since the fall of the Soviet Union is reasonable to rebel against.
 

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Fuck off with that fucking Greyzone “every uprising I dislike is the CIA” bullshit, having the same capitalist stooge in charge since the fall of the Soviet Union is reasonable to rebel against.
Are you an expert on Belarus?
 

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Are you an expert on Belarus?
It’s pretty easy to tell when Greyzone is up to their bullshit at a glance. And it’s an easy pattern that post-Soviet Nationalist leaders aren’t exactly known for their respect for Democracy or Socialism.
 

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It’s pretty easy to tell when Greyzone is up to their bullshit at a glance. And it’s an easy pattern that post-Soviet Nationalist leaders aren’t exactly known for their respect for Democracy or Socialism.
That's an awful lot of generalization to come to that point.
 

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Is there such a thing, even in Belarus?
Why does Belarus even exist? Thankfully, an expert has put together an explanation for us


I suggest enjoying this video while it's still correct, before it has to be edited to "Why did Belarus Exist?"
 

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That's an awful lot of generalization to come to that point.
He’s been president since the Soviets fell despite ample opposition the entire time and was established the same as every other post-Soviet leader, a puppet for liberalization of the economy. To think for even a moment that he’s an ally of the left is the same as thinking Saddam or Assad would qualify as such, and given the Greyzone does think that, I called it out as such. You don’t have to be a geopolitical ally of the US to be a capitalist stooge.
 

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The agreement signed with Ukraine provides protections of its sovereignity by the US, UK and Russia. Later France and China also gave assurances. These were all Nuclear powers. You gave your word to protect Ukraine's borders and you didn't do shit. They can wipe their ass with the agreement they made, they lost their nukes and gained nothing.
The only one of the signatores in the EU at the time was the UK. The Ukraine was not allied with any EU country at all. "We" certainly never gave our word to protect them. That the US and the UK were not willing to honour their guarantees is their responsibility.

German car manufacturers are getting slaughtered wholesale and demolished by american and chinese firms. The engine of the EU is running out of fuel.
German car makers have problems because the future for cars (esp. fossil fueled cars) looks bleak. And Corona hurt car sales in the present. Otherweise their position is good. It is hard to find car makers in a better position.

As for China, market share of German cars is still rising.

Do Polish workers get the same benefits as French workers? Then when a French company moves its production to Poland, and doesn't give them the same benefits as French, it is exploitation.
A lot of worker regulations is EU-based so Polish workers do get the same benefit as French in a lot of ways. And more than the workers in the Ukraine and Belarus - or in the US. Maybe next year they get more protection than those in the UK as well. All thanks to being in the EU.
 
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