Best Part of Europe

[Artic Xiongmao]

Spoiler: all of this bit

In all seriousness, though, probably everything except Spain in my opinion. I have NOTHING against Spain personally, but I don't like that kind of dry environ, and I've got a bit of a elitist thing with it as I like travelling to odd places, but EVERYONE in england goes to Spain, and a lot of them move there or buy holiday homes, and not ONE person bothers to learn the damn language!

I feel dirty going there, because I KNOW they hate me and my country and want me to leave.

Pero hablar espanol! Apendar en PERU para cuatro semana! Dios Mio, no me gusta Ingelsia...

Wow, that's an incredibly -disgusting- generalization. If you want to boil alive and live around people -in general, of course- with really low cultural level, then OK, southern spain is for you. Try Catalunia, The Basque Country, or other Northern autonomies, and you will find just the opposite. In fact, try living here in Guipuzcoa, one of the provinces of the Basque Country; it's just too humid and everything -everything- is green. And culturally, San Sebastian, Bilbao, Barcelona and other cities are just as socially, culturally and economically advanced as any other important cities.

I don't know about other places in Spain, but around here no one hates British people, or not as a group. There is a general disgust towards americans, though, but that's internationally earned. And here more people speaks english than in the south; not enough, that's true, but more.

Don't wanna offend you, but I'd like to point out that your spanish is... just... bad. Try again next time.

Oh well, I'm so...SO sorry for having an opinion, having a dislike of a particular country, and having the TENACITY to learn a language, albeit badly

Next time, how about I say "I don't like going to Spain because it's full of lazy spainards who do nothing all day, drink and shoot things?"

I say again, the heat thing is the reason I don't like going to PARTS of Spain (in retrospect, I didn't point that out well enough), but the main reason is because Spain seems, from an English point of view, such a horrible place to go, because I just KNOW that all the locals will look at me like I'm just another xenophobic skinhead who comes here for the cheap drink, sunny weather and to shout loudly at waiters who don't speak English.

I just don't want to go to Spain, alright? Everywhere else holds some personal intrest to me, but I don't get that same "oooh...travelling!" feeling with Spain.

Oh, and don't knock my Spanish, alright? At least I bloody well try to learn the language of a country I'm visiting. Others aren't so considerate

Sorry, now that I read my post again, it surely came across as unfriendly, to say the least. But I can assure you, my intentions were just to point out that the part of Spain you went to doesn't represent at all the rest of the country. I was a bit too heated, I know, it's just that a lot of people -most are americans, TBH- generalize a LOT when they talk about this country (and others, too, of course), and it pisses us off a lot. Sorry for my behaviour.

Oh, and I certainly wasn't trying to discourage you from learning other languages, I'm not sure where did I imply that. I'm happy to hear it, actually (I just pointed out those errors because I'm a bit too purist with languages and wanted to correct it, nothing more); as you said, a lot of people (usually english speakers, because of its importance) come here or to other countries and expect everyone to speak their language, not even trying to learn something new. And well, as I said, we see those traits on american tourists, and most people don't even think about those things. It depends on the city, of course; some people are used to tourism, others are not; just as in any place in the world.

But well, it's all right: you don't wanna come. I'm not gonna argue about that; I just tried to tell that those aspects that you dislike are only present in some parts of the country, that's all. And not for the cheap travelling; there're good things to see all over the country.

 

[GrinningManiac]

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Sorry, now that I read my post again, it surely came across as unfriendly, to say the least. But I can assure you, my intentions were just to point out that the part of Spain you went to doesn't represent at all the rest of the country. I was a bit too heated, I know, it's just that a lot of people -most are americans, TBH- generalize a LOT when they talk about this country (and others, too, of course), and it pisses us off a lot. Sorry for my behaviour.

Oh, and I certainly wasn't trying to discourage you from learning other languages, I'm not sure where did I imply that. I'm happy to hear it, actually (I just pointed out those errors because I'm a bit too purist with languages and wanted to correct it, nothing more); as you said, a lot of people (usually english speakers, because of its importance) come here or to other countries and expect everyone to speak their language, not even trying to learn something new. And well, as I said, we see those traits on american tourists, and most people don't even think about those things. It depends on the city, of course; some people are used to tourism, others are not; just as in any place in the world.

But well, it's all right: you don't wanna come. I'm not gonna argue about that; I just tried to tell that those aspects that you dislike are only present in some parts of the country, that's all. And not for the cheap travelling; there're good things to see all over the country.

Thank you for being so respectful and thoughtful in your posts, friend. Others aren't so considerate and self-respecting, and would have likely plowed on ahead with more and more violent garbage, even if they realised they had misinterpeted theirs or others posts.

Looking back as well, I can see that my rebuttle was incredibly acid-laced, and I shouldn't have been so defensive. But yes, I take your point that I had generalised the country to a pitiful level, and I respect that you pointed that out.

This has probably been the most civil discourse I have ever had on the web. Kudos to you, sir.

Out of curiousity, what were my mistakes in my brief Spanish sentence? I think I used the wrong version of Hablar to express myself, but were there other problems? I'd love to know.

Thanks again

 

[Daveman]

The UK.

My reasoning:
- France has a strike every five minutes
- Italy has the mafia
- Norway has %1000000000 VAT or something
- Germany... well it's Germany
- Austria is just evil, gave us Hitler and Joseph Fritzl
- Spain I heard is the most racist country in europe, can't remember where I heard that, plus it's full of english plumbers (we like polish ones here)

also, it's like really nice and that in the UK and we have a hugely multicultural society and we speak english. also you can easily visit all the other countries without living there. plus our country is really compact which means it's easy to get anywhere.

 

[Artic Xiongmao]

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Sorry, now that I read my post again, it surely came across as unfriendly, to say the least. But I can assure you, my intentions were just to point out that the part of Spain you went to doesn't represent at all the rest of the country. I was a bit too heated, I know, it's just that a lot of people -most are americans, TBH- generalize a LOT when they talk about this country (and others, too, of course), and it pisses us off a lot. Sorry for my behaviour.

Oh, and I certainly wasn't trying to discourage you from learning other languages, I'm not sure where did I imply that. I'm happy to hear it, actually (I just pointed out those errors because I'm a bit too purist with languages and wanted to correct it, nothing more); as you said, a lot of people (usually english speakers, because of its importance) come here or to other countries and expect everyone to speak their language, not even trying to learn something new. And well, as I said, we see those traits on american tourists, and most people don't even think about those things. It depends on the city, of course; some people are used to tourism, others are not; just as in any place in the world.

But well, it's all right: you don't wanna come. I'm not gonna argue about that; I just tried to tell that those aspects that you dislike are only present in some parts of the country, that's all. And not for the cheap travelling; there're good things to see all over the country.

Thank you for being so respectful and thoughtful in your posts, friend. Others aren't so considerate and self-respecting, and would have likely plowed on ahead with more and more violent garbage, even if they realised they had misinterpeted theirs or others posts.

Looking back as well, I can see that my rebuttle was incredibly acid-laced, and I shouldn't have been so defensive. But yes, I take your point that I had generalised the country to a pitiful level, and I respect that you pointed that out.

This has probably been the most civil discourse I have ever had on the web. Kudos to you, sir.

Out of curiousity, what were my mistakes in my brief Spanish sentence? I think I used the wrong version of Hablar to express myself, but were there other problems? I'd love to know.

Thanks again

I guess you wanted to say "But I speak Spanish! I learnt it in Peru in four weeks! Oh My God, I don't like ¿?". Then it's "¡Pero hablo Español! ¡Aprendí en Peru en cuatro semanas! Dios mio, no me gusta ¿?". Remember that verbs reflect time, gender, and number all by themselves in spanish. By the way, what's Inglesia? English? Then it's Inglés. What you wrote looked like "Church" in spanish, Iglesia.... that was it? Sorry, I'm a bit confused with that.

Anuway, thanks for your kindness too.

Have a good life

 

[antigodoflife]

Scandinavia besides it's racial cults are pretty cool.

 

[Jenkins]

Italy, hands down.

Best food of the whole continent, best architecture and history of the whole continent (yes, they have enough awesomeness to make up for Mussolini), a fantastic language, gorgeous landscapes ánd gorgeous women.

Only been there once, would love to return again one day.

If you like a liberal atmosphere, then you ain't gona get much better than Holland.

Common misconception. Might've been true in the past, not so much today. Holland isn't a tolerant country, there are 2 ways of thinking: either we don't give a damn, or if something is bothering us we ***** about it. And believe me, there is a lot of bitching right now. You remember Geert Wilders? If there would be elections right now here in Holland, he would be the second biggest party of the country. That's Dutch tolerance for you, things have changed sadly.

dont forget a totally fucked up government