Bethesda and unstable games......

[teh_gunslinger]

Besthesta made one of the best games ever when they made Fallout 3. It's a game I still play to this day.

Well, considering that Fallout 3 is like 3 days old (1 year) that's not a long time. If you had said that you still played Fallout 2 it would be another matter.

But that's besides the point. Even when we disregard the original Fallout games Bethesdas bland pile of meh still pales compared to Morrowind or Daggerfall.

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

Bethesda are fail. Don't get me wrong I loved Fallout 3 and Oblivion but why can't they immerse me? Is it that hard to have realistic movement animations? I just want thier games with better physics and better animation (or atleast don't make it look like im hovering when I walk)

Then I would be happycakes.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Has anyone ever played a Bethesda game without technical issue?
Any idea's why Bethesda has such an unstable engine?

Because they simply suck. You might have spotted my little ditty on it. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.78516]

You get competant people and you get incompetant people in life. Some people are very good at their jobs, and some people really struggle to get anything right. Bethesda are a software company with some amazing ideas and creativity, but very little actual skill when it comes to putting their ideas into machine-code. It isn't just the bugs, the animations are terrible, the voice acting is appauling, the environments are "sticky" and there are places where you can fall down without being able to escape from, and the AI is the worst from any game (Oblivions "Radiant AI" was the worst AI for any next gen game).

 

[Spectrum_Prez]

Haha, bugs? In my Bethesda game? It's more likely than you think.

I played Morrowind on 6-12 FPS outside, 12-20FPS indoors and still loved it, despite having to look down while running in order to avoid stuttering. Needless to say, I have a pretty damn high tolerance for actual coding bugs (not performance issues) and I think its a testament to Beth that they can create such great games where you can overlook all the flaws. That said, Fallout 3 was not at all buggy for me and ran very smoothly considering the limitations of my PC. I don't think I ever got a CTD or freeze-up, just the weird graphical glitches with flying bodies looking like squiggly lines and a few clipping issues. Nothing deal-breaking.

I think it really is a matter of the engine Bethesda is running, because of the hundreds of scripts that are continuously being executed in order to maintain a large world. Frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Oblivion crashes every time I press the quit button, but apart from that no I have not.

What system are you on?

You should clear the cache in the start up screen.

 

[A Random Reader]

Oblivion crashes every time I press the quit button, but apart from that no I have not.

What system are you on?

You should clear the cache in the start up screen.

windows XP, but it makes it leave the game faster

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Besthesta made one of the best games ever when they made Fallout 3. It's a game I still play to this day.

Well, considering that Fallout 3 is like 3 days old (1 year) that's not a long time. If you had said that you still played Fallout 2 it would be another matter.
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I still play Fallout 1 to this day.

Mind you, I only got it a few weeks ago.

 

[Flour]

Ever tried shutting a door on a corpse in Oblivion? The corpse becomes a doorway for Satan and begins to thrash about obscenely.

That's simply the physics engine in combination with the crushing effect of a door. It's in every game where corpses can't be gibbed and doors refuse to close when something prevents it from closing.

I launched CoC, ctrl-alt-del back to descktop, find CoC exe running in taskmanager, right click, set affinity....and deselect until only one core is being used for the application.
So far I just played through 3 save points without an issue. So I will test this on FO3 tonight to see if it has an effect.

Shouldn't matter for Fallout, but almost every old game will have problems with multiple cores. So if you play a lot of old games(anything from before 2004 to be safe IMO), it's smart to get that optimizer working simply because it will fix(and prevent) a lot of errors.

On-topic: I don't really care about the bugs in Bethesda games, my problem with them is that their games are extremely poorly coded. In Oblivion it's possible to quicksave and then after quickloading a few times you'll notice new spells you never had while you possibly also lost a few spells. Something I've noticed in both Oblivion and Fallout3, there are locations where saves get corrupted and they're in a way tied to mods. In F3 I was unable to leave Megaton without the game crashing when I tried to save, this stopped after disabling the official DLC and in Oblivion mods only increased the chance of corrupting your save if you saved over an existing file.

 

[ctrl-alt-postal]

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Shouldn't matter for Fallout, but almost every old game will have problems with multiple cores. So if you play a lot of old games(anything from before 2004 to be safe IMO), it's smart to get that optimizer working simply because it will fix(and prevent) a lot of errors.

On-topic: I don't really care about the bugs in Bethesda games, my problem with them is that their games are extremely poorly coded. In Oblivion it's possible to quicksave and then after quickloading a few times you'll notice new spells you never had while you possibly also lost a few spells. Something I've noticed in both Oblivion and Fallout3, there are locations where saves get corrupted and they're in a way tied to mods. In F3 I was unable to leave Megaton without the game crashing when I tried to save, this stopped after disabling the official DLC and in Oblivion mods only increased the chance of corrupting your save if you saved over an existing file.

Yep, I am trying to get that optimizer working, but it seems pretty damn broken, prob need to do some regedit detective work to fix *shudder*.

I have never had any gameplay issues such as you describe, then again I have only used the official bugfix patches and the only mod I have is the oblivion level stat book thing. I suppose I can take comfort in the game either working or not, as that half-working game state would prob send me postal.

 

[TheSeventhLoneWolf]

Oblivion.

Laggy as fuck, and I WELL exceed the reccomended reqs...

FO3 is self explanatory... teleporting Deathclaws when I'm lvl 4? Yeah I think not.

I've had the deathclaw situation aswell. I've even fallen into the deathclaw sanctuary by accident.

I have FO3 and Oblivion, and both work perfectly. I've only fallen through the floor once.

 

[Flour]

I have never had any gameplay issues such as you describe, then again I have only used the official bugfix patches and the only mod I have is the oblivion level stat book thing. I suppose I can take comfort in the game either working or not, as that half-working game state would prob send me postal.

There's a reason I will never but a Bethesda game. Even Fallout3 and Oblivion were borrowed from a friend.(when I've finished a game he gets it for a while and the opposite happens when he finishes a game, saves us both a lot of money)

 

[Jekken6]

I really enjoy Bethesda's games, but i can overlook the occassional bug. Andam I one of the only 10 people that enjoyed Fallout 3's writing?

 

[Socius]

This is why so many of us have a love/hate relationship with Beth.

Fallout 3 is my favorite game of all time, but it's your closest friends who hurt you the most when they let you down.

Hence much frustration the 50th time I got jammed into rocks, or the game froze, or got stuck in VATS, or glitched a quest so it was unfinishable...

You got it!

 

[ctrl-alt-postal]

There's a reason I will never but a Bethesda game. Even Fallout3 and Oblivion were borrowed from a friend.(when I've finished a game he gets it for a while and the opposite happens when he finishes a game, saves us both a lot of money)

True. I have a similar thing here. I suppose in the "you get what you paid for" school of thought, I cannot complain to much. If I had of purchased new, at release date, Beth would have heard from me by now.....

 

[Elburzito]

AN unmodded Oblivion will almost ALWAYS crash.

 

[HerrBobo]

I have no Issue with running any bethesda game at max settings on my computer.
I may just be lucky....

Pretty much same for me. Oblivion will crash 70% of the time when I exit. F3, maybe 50%.