Bethesda: Consoles to be the lead platform for Skyrim, aim to make it ?really accessible?

[lovest harding]

My only assumption is that this is posted to piss off those "EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE MADE FOR PC FIRST OR IT SUCKS ASS!"

Any sane person can see (as mentioned by others in this thread) that Oblivion was pretty much the same as in it was created with simplification of UI for consoles in mind. It's still a great game and the best version is still the PC version (even without mods, with them the other versions can't compare).

PC fanboys make this out to be like simplification is the worst thing in the world. Accessibility is not a negative by itself. I like stat management, I always have, but losing a lot of it doesn't inherently make the game shit. There are still games that are super complex for the sake of complexity. And even without consoles, PC gaming would still be getting less complex (as the easier it is to use and play, the more people you can get to buy and play it, the main point being buy).

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I'm trying to be positive and think that translates to 'The ui won't be overly complex and horrible' but I think it's a little bit of a kick in the teeth to the original fans of the series perhaps.

Is it really? I mean does it really matter which platform is the MAIN one, so long as it's still coming out on the platform you wanted to play it on? Seriously why is stuff like this always taken as a personal betrayal? All it means is that Bethesda wants as many people to be able to enjoy the game as possible, which can only be a good thing, so make it with consoles in mind first because it's just so much easier to then adapt it to PC's than it is to adapt a PC game for consoles.

The environments still look great. The gameplay still looks great. If the majority of fans are dissatisfied with the game when they play it then I will concede that this was a bad idea, but until then, see it not as a 'kick in the teeth', just a sensible business decision which will probably produce a better game overall; as developing for consoles forces them to make things like interfaces less needlessly complicated, which is the one thing that always gets complained about when it comes to hardcore RPG's.

Like I said I'm trying to remain positive about it and my meaning was not so much personal but why are they suddenly abandoning the PC as thier main platform after all this time. Surely they can make an accessible game that way around. People who play the elder scrolls like immersion and depth, if they remove that for the sake of 'being able to just sit down and play' they are going to upset alot of thier fans. Like DA:O and DA:2 as that article references.

I'm really excited for Skyrim and I'm getting it on a new pc but I'm worried that this approach might take away from the elder scrolls experience somewhat. Hopefully not, but we will see.

 

[Ninjamedic]

I'm going to be torn apart for this, but am I the only one who doesn't care if it's on a console? I'm really starting to get annoyed by the smug sense of superiority that a lot of pc gamers get, like if you use a console like everybody else has been for the last thirty years, you're an inbred retard who doesn't deserve to have fun. I understand it if they're dumbing some of it down for a more casual market, but come on. At least now I'll be able to buy it. It comes out on the console, and Bethesda makes a lot more money. It doesn't come out on console, and the pc gamers get to feel like they're in a special little club, while Bethesda doesn't make quite a hefty profit. Let the company make its money, but stop whining about everything not being built for pcs.

YOU AREN'T THE ONLY ONE, STOP USING THAT PHRASE!!!!

Anyway, I see the issue as poor optimization being a consequence if they choose to develop it with the 360 in mind. Not sure about the PS3 though.

 

[DaHero]

I'm going to be torn apart for this, but am I the only one who doesn't care if it's on a console? I'm really starting to get annoyed by the smug sense of superiority that a lot of pc gamers get, like if you use a console like everybody else has been for the last thirty years, you're an inbred retard who doesn't deserve to have fun. I understand it if they're dumbing some of it down for a more casual market, but come on. At least now I'll be able to buy it. It comes out on the console, and Bethesda makes a lot more money. It doesn't come out on console, and the pc gamers get to feel like they're in a special little club, while Bethesda doesn't make quite a hefty profit. Let the company make its money, but stop whining about everything not being built for pcs.

It's not using the console, it's the fact that a controller is very (and I don't exaggerate) different from a keyboard and mouse. With a keyboard you effectively have 80+ keys that can do any number of things, but there won't be any support for that. The horses will also be fine tuned for consoles, meaning that using the A or D keys to turn will be the same as mashing the control stick as far in any direction as possible. PC gamers also won't get the ability to carefully walk using the mouse, something half the time they really need. To top it off, the amount of video card bugs that will ensue from the cheap port will be staggering.

It's not "more accessible" it's just a dumbed down port, which is another way of saying "screw our fans, we're in it just for the money"

 

[Ninjamedic]

Like I said I'm trying to remain positive about it and my meaning was not so much personal but why are they suddenly abandoning the PC as thier main platform after all this time. Surely they can make an accessible game that way around. People who play the elder scrolls like immersion and depth, if they remove that for the sake of 'being able to just sit down and play' they are going to upset alot of thier fans. Like DA:O and DA:2 as that article references.

To be fair, DA:O was simple enough as it was, and given Fallout 3 and New Vegas, I wouldn't worry about the "more accessible" phrase from a gameplay standpoint. (Bugs I can't say)

 

[PettingZOOPONY]

As a PC gamer I say who cares, since Oblivion Bethesda main focus was on consoles. They are smart enough to give PC gamers mod tools so we can do what we feel, they have given PC modders a solid foundation to work with from and that is all we really want.

 

[Eternal Visitor]

as long as they're made to work best on their respective platforms, I see no problem with this. the problem comes from making the PC version a direct 1:1 port of the console version with only the dead minimum adaptation for a keyboard and mouse. besides, oblivion also lacked a way to delete spells from your list, and that could get annoying fast if you steadily update..

 

[demotion1]

We already know they would remove much of the complexity. Oblivion was also done with consoles being the focus and it turned out ok.

 

[commodorejohn]

Congratulations, Bethesda! Your dedication to savagely stripping away everything that made the Elder Scrolls games interesting has officially turned me off even bothering with this one!

 

[GonzoGamer]

Isn't that just what 99% of devs say anyways?

Anyway, hopefully this doesn't mean "the PC version will be a shit port". Cause that would suck.

I get the feeling that's exactly what it means.
So as the PC is getting a shit port and I don't have faith that they can make anything that isn't a mess on the consoles, I'll probably just rent Skyrim and send it back when it starts going haywire.

 

[Ninjamedic]

I'm going to be torn apart for this, but am I the only one who doesn't care if it's on a console? I'm really starting to get annoyed by the smug sense of superiority that a lot of pc gamers get, like if you use a console like everybody else has been for the last thirty years, you're an inbred retard who doesn't deserve to have fun. I understand it if they're dumbing some of it down for a more casual market, but come on. At least now I'll be able to buy it. It comes out on the console, and Bethesda makes a lot more money. It doesn't come out on console, and the pc gamers get to feel like they're in a special little club, while Bethesda doesn't make quite a hefty profit. Let the company make its money, but stop whining about everything not being built for pcs.

It's not using the console, it's the fact that a controller is very (and I don't exaggerate) different from a keyboard and mouse. With a keyboard you effectively have 80+ keys that can do any number of things, but there won't be any support for that. The horses will also be fine tuned for consoles, meaning that using the A or D keys to turn will be the same as mashing the control stick as far in any direction as possible. PC gamers also won't get the ability to carefully walk using the mouse, something half the time they really need. To top it off, the amount of video card bugs that will ensue from the cheap port will be staggering.

That's a bit elitist don't you think? I don't see most people mapping 80 keys realistically, and on walking, you know on most console games you walk slowly by pushing the analog stick slightly in a direction right?

It's not "more accessible" it's just a dumbed down port, which is another way of saying "screw our fans, we're in it just for the money"

Because any company that needs to maintain profit is evil and corrupt, its automatic!

 

[Nikolaz72]

Oblivion was already dumped down. I fear this might make it worse. Well decided not to buy it until it goes on sale, not risking it unless I get a demo. Which is unlikely taking that ehm, Demo is so rare theese days. Was thinking of buying it for full price when I heard they were making it with Skyrim and with Morrowind in mind. Epic mix that was.

 

[Souplex]

Yet another big developer goes console-primary?
*Makes a little note on a clipboard*
Soon the transition will be complete.

 

[Nimcha]

Oh my, this is going to be great. BioWare was roasted for the same sort of statement on this site, I wonder how much hate will be poured over Bethesda this time. :3

 

[Wintermoot]

oh fuck
first Duke Nukem and now The Elder scrolls getting dumbed down!

 

[Souplex]

Oh my, this is going to be great. BioWare was roasted for the same sort of statement on this site, I wonder how much hate will be poured over Bethesda this time. :3

The difference is, the hate was poured on Bioware because DA2 was inferior to Origins on all platforms.
Here it will simply be better on some platforms than others.

 

[Tibs]

I fail to see how this is really bad for PC gamers. PC gamers have the ability to mod the game so in the end I fully believe they will get the superior product without a shadow of a doubt.

 

[The Wykydtron]

Why do game companies bother with these statements? It's like they want to enrage the majority of the PC gaming community

Also don't care it should still be epic on whichever platform you buy it on.