Bethesda (Makers of such hits as Oblivion and Fallout 3) Says That WRPG's Are More Realistic Than JR

[Randomeaninglessword]

You can't really argue with Bethesda that much, both are unrealistic, but WRPGs for the most part are slightly closer to reality. In Bethesda games, it feels like it's a 'real world, but ____' type of scenario. Where as most JRPGs(that I have played) seem to just set the world in pure fantasy.

 

[kouriichi]

He says "Realistic". Not "Real".

And i have to agree with them They are more "Realistic". That doesnt make them better or anything though.

What it is, is more familiar. And i think thats what kinda tips the edge here. Every JRPG is COMPLETELY different. ((unless its the sequel))
I mean, each new Final Fantasy has nothing to do with the last ((except materia i guess)). Thats not a bad thing. It just means that you always have to learn something new.

While western RPG's really stick to 3 styles. Post Apocalyptic, Fantasy Medieval, and Futuristic Fantasy.

Where as JRPG is always coming up with something new to push the envelope.

So neither is better. One is just easier to get into. Everyone knows what an Orc is.
But i doubt half of the gamers these days know what a Aptonoth is. And they probably never will.

 

[BoTTeNBReKeR]

I presume everybody who's defending the entire "the enormous swords of JRPGS CAN be realistic" don't have the slightest clue how a claymore or Zweihänder was used.

 

[Volafortis]

I wouldn't call either realistic, but JRPGs are generally are generally more conceptually "out there", though.

They'd make for a nice change of pace in setting and story once in a while if they weren't incredibly samey with shitty gameplay 95% of the time. Sadly, because of the horrendous gameplay, I can generally only do a single JRPG, maybe two, per year.

 

[Continuity]

Thebethesda guy is broadly correct, he's making a sweeping generalisation but WRPG at least has the trappings of reality, where as JRPG has pretty much every aspect as off the wall fantasy.

 

[GrimHeaper]

I presume everybody who's defending the entire "the enormous swords of JRPGS CAN be realistic" don't have the slightest clue how a claymore or Zweihänder was used.

They weigh a measly 7 pounds at most.
They were for purely forceful purposes nothing fancy.
I don't hear people getting mad at spiderman and his ability to lift trains with ease.

 

[Reaper195]

Well...duh. Captain Obvious award goes to Bethesda.

Srsly....why is this relevant? This is something that has been obvious for decades. Now if only Bethesda realised that Dragons were cool a long time ago, and add mods for Oblivon and Morrowind that add in dragons. And Fallout 3. In fact, everything needs dragons.

 

[Macrobstar]

I already knew Bethesda were stupid, I don't need an article like this to verify the point, but it is a good thing to know anyway.

No, RPGs should not be realistic, however, if it is sci-fi then it should have science in it and I would love Bethesda to explain to me why after 200 years there is still so much radiation floating around the Capital Wasteland.

Oh and aren't Bethesda the people who made the Experimental MIRV and Rock-It launcher?

Radiation can take thousands of years to clear

 

[lesserdemon]

Weird hair, almost always white and spiky, weapons are swords with guns bigger than the actual characters wielding them.

Already addressed swords and hair and as for guns explain this.

That would be a Punt Gun. It wasn't fired from the shoulder, it was mounted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun

 

[Dege84]

I curse the day when anime was unleashed upon the world, it all went downhill since then. Who would have thought that the products of the most sexually-frustrated and generally-weird individuals would catch on, let alone become an epidemic. And speaking of Bethesda's games, when looking for mods I can hardly find a normal item or character anymore. Oblivion and Fallout nexus sites have been constantly flooded with ridiculous weapons, impossible hairdos and underage-looking , mostly naked, Asian looking characters with breasts as large as a soccer ball each, and if they are actually wearing something, it's bits of plastic covering their private parts and providing 100 armour values!

Bethesda's games, and indeed other publishers' games, look they way they do because they are intended for a certain market. I don't remember westerners shoving western fantasy down your throats, forcing you too like it. You (and by you I mean anime creators and/or fanatics) are quite happy doing it to us, calling us ignorant or without any artistic sense if we don't like it.

In all honesty I ask: what the hell is wrong with you people? Not only you think that this so-called culture is better but you are actively trying to make everything else look like it! But to be honest it's not their fault that the world is full of cretins that accept it. I might be a bit melodramatic but I fear for our (gaming) future...

 

[ultrachicken]

You sound like a butthurt JRPG fan. A game with characters that have naturally blue hair that sticks up to a height larger than their torso swinging swords the size of cars is not as realistic as a game about someone who fights with a normal sized sword and shield combo and whose enemies do not wait patiently for you to finish your turn. Though I will say that realism is not something to strive for in an RPG necessarily, and that being more realistic than a JRPG is not saying much.

 

[BoTTeNBReKeR]

I presume everybody who's defending the entire "the enormous swords of JRPGS CAN be realistic" don't have the slightest clue how a claymore or Zweihänder was used.

They weigh a measly 7 pounds at most.
They were for purely forceful purposes nothing fancy.
I don't hear people getting mad at spiderman and his ability to lift trains with ease.

I don't see people calling spiderman "realistic" either . My point is, JRPG swords may be wieldable irl, but it'd not be used teh way it is used in those games. A sword of that size is not used for cutting, it's used more or less like a polearm.

 

[ChupathingyX]

I already knew Bethesda were stupid, I don't need an article like this to verify the point, but it is a good thing to know anyway.

No, RPGs should not be realistic, however, if it is sci-fi then it should have science in it and I would love Bethesda to explain to me why after 200 years there is still so much radiation floating around the Capital Wasteland.

Oh and aren't Bethesda the people who made the Experimental MIRV and Rock-It launcher?

Radiation can take thousands of years to clear

Refer to one of my older posts on this thread.

 

[Slayer_2]

Fallout is far more plausible than final fantasy. Not to say it's plausible, but there was a time when something SIMILAR could have happened in real life. Fallout 3 just changed it up a bit.

 

[Macrobstar]

http://thesilentchief.com/2010/08/05/bethesda-western-rpg-more-realistic-than-jrpgs/

Read the article and then read my post.

*Waits*

Oh? Done? Okay.

ARE YOU BLOODY KIDDING ME?!

A huge number of WRPG's are Tolkienesque skips through fantasy town number 85736826, trying to stop an evil cult, some evil wizard, or just a bunch of assholes trying to be douchebags.

Of course, there are games like Mass Effect and Fallout 3 that COULD happen but seem somewhat unlikely. But I kind of take it personally that Bethesda, who brought us Oblivion and Hunted: The Demon's Forge and are bringing us Skyrim (no offense to the games mentioned.... Except for HTDF. I quite enjoy Oblivion and will thoroughly enjoy Skyrim) are saying that Western RPGs are more realistic than JRPG's. Have you ever heard of Persona?!

I will admit, JRPG's are a bit out there. But Westerns are also pretty out there. I'd put them on the same level on the Lunacy Meter.

What do you all think?

I think its the fact that in a WRPG a human is still a human, and they're limited by that fact
Whereas.....
In a JRPG an human can jump into the air swing a sword the size of a train and still manage to keep the ridiculous hairstyles in shape, also the fact that in most of them the enemy will wait there turn before attacking you

 

[CommanderKirov]

NO WAY!

I am both shocked and appalled by this sudden and fresh truth from Bethesda...

Next in the news. First person shooters feature more gunplay than most logic puzzle games.

 

[Macrobstar]

Todd Howard is right Western Rpgs are more realistic (and better) than JRPGs. It may be fantasy but they don't make it a super crazy world with no explainations. Lots of things that WRPGs do they put lots of lore behind it to explain how it works to people who care.

They put loads of story and lore into JRPG's. There's always some kind of backstory and explanations. You just have to pay attention and read up on some in game docs to catch up on it.

Do they explain the massive hair? And insane acrobatics? And general shittiness of the games?

 

[Dege84]

Fallout is far more plausible than final fantasy. Not to say it's plausible, but there was a time when something SIMILAR could have happened in real life. Fallout 3 just changed it up a bit.

Fallout is actually very plausible even now, even if we're strictly referring to humanity. We have the capacity to turn into savager animals than we already are, not caring about others' fate as long as we survive, doing it by all means necessary, most of us aren't remotely friendly if set loose from the "shackles" of society. A nuclear fallout would bring the best which is coincidentally the worst in our species. As for the weaponry, you can never know...

 

[Atheist.]

No shit?

Sure, WRPG's usually have the typical Dragons, Wizards, Demonic Cults and shit. JRPG's? Female looking teenagers who save the world with Swords the size of a car, with gravity defying hairstyles. You tell me which one is more likely?

If anyone thinks that statement is false (sure, it's pretty out there, but it's still true) than you are quite possibly retarded.

Where is everyone getting the hair example from? I've got a bunch of JRPG's with characters that have completely normal hair styles.

Would you like the names?

It's just a staple of JRPG's, like the whole girly looking teenagers and colossal swords that they swing around as if it was a lightsaber.

Well they are about the same realism wise.
Just by your example the JRPG one sounds more likely though.
I mean some people do have hair that defies gravity Naturally.
And those swords aren't really that much Larger than Claymores.

Take Cloud (is it Cloud?) from Final Fantasy. Pretty slim figure, has truly gravity defying hair, has a sword that is MUCH bigger than a Claymore.

My hair does that and someone here could use that sword so it really isn't that unreal.
While they wouldn't be slim or anything in the future our technology may make that easy...
Also humans can technically toss cars like ragdolls if they have the right mindset and condition.
So someone in a universe filled with magic and technology more advanced than ours luggin a huge sword around sure fine.

Assuming the Buster Sword is actually made out of steel, or something of similar weight, it would theoretically weighs around 200lbs, or 90-100kgs. He swings the sword above his head with one hand. Now I'm not saying you're lying about your hair, but there is no possible way someone can wield such a sword unless it was made out of plastic.

 

[GrimHeaper]

Weird hair, almost always white and spiky, weapons are swords with guns bigger than the actual characters wielding them.

Already addressed swords and hair and as for guns explain this.

That would be a Punt Gun. It wasn't fired from the shoulder, it was mounted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun

Technically you could be stupid and fire it from the shoulder
But I already knew what it was.
I mean it was used for ducks...ducks man o.o
Real life isn't that realistic as you think guys.

I presume everybody who's defending the entire "the enormous swords of JRPGS CAN be realistic" don't have the slightest clue how a claymore or Zweihänder was used.

They weigh a measly 7 pounds at most.
They were for purely forceful purposes nothing fancy.
I don't hear people getting mad at spiderman and his ability to lift trains with ease.

I don't see people calling spiderman "realistic" either . My point is, JRPG swo

Assuming the Buster Sword is actually made out of steel, or something of similar weight, it would theoretically weighs around 200lbs, or 90-100kgs. He swings the sword above his head with one hand. Now I'm not saying you're lying about your hair, but there is no possible way someone can wield such a sword unless it was made out of plastic.

That same person can go faster than lightning in short bursts the sword is reasonable in comparison and my hair really does that it's all over the damn place doesn't really move at least clouds looks like it has gel in it. As for spiderman I would assume they woudl call him more real, "just because" I hear people call Halo realistic...