Bethesda Says Mojang's Scrolls Infringes on Elder Scrolls Mark

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Arker

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Harry Mason said:
"Notch, sir..."

"What is it, Nigel? I'm busy swimming blissfully naked in my money-filled swimming pool."

"Well, it's the Fallout 3 people, sir... They're here to see you."

"How quaint! Are they here for my 10:00 massage?"

"I'm afraid it's a bit more dire than that, sir."
FYI, notch is Swedish, not British.
OT: Someone just shot them self in the foot, and I don't think it's notch.
 

MajorDolphin

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Finish. Minecraft. First. The game has a lot of promise but they're wasting their energy porting it to the Xbox and now this other junk. Millions of people dropped 20 bucks on a beta and all that money goes towards other development. Great way to piss off the fans...
 

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Arker said:
Harry Mason said:
"Notch, sir..."

"What is it, Nigel? I'm busy swimming blissfully naked in my money-filled swimming pool."

"Well, it's the Fallout 3 people, sir... They're here to see you."

"How quaint! Are they here for my 10:00 massage?"

"I'm afraid it's a bit more dire than that, sir."
FYI, notch is Swedish, not British.
OT: Someone just shot them self in the foot, and I don't think it's notch.
Are you suggesting that Swedes are incapable of being named "Nigel" and using words like "quaint?"

I think you're selling them a bit short there!
 

Keava

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Sorry Bethesda, unless you trademarked TES: The Scrolls or something like that You don't own the word Scroll or its different forms at all. What next? ill You also claim Elder is Your trademark? And then we can happily move to "The" and every company that uses "The" in their product name will be sued?

Instead of wasting time and money on lawyers focus on making sure Skyrim performs properly on PC, with all the bells whistles my hardware can push rather than hoping that the modding community will once again fix all Your mistakes.
 

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Arker said:
Harry Mason said:
"Notch, sir..."

"What is it, Nigel? I'm busy swimming blissfully naked in my money-filled swimming pool."

"Well, it's the Fallout 3 people, sir... They're here to see you."

"How quaint! Are they here for my 10:00 massage?"

"I'm afraid it's a bit more dire than that, sir."
FYI, notch is Swedish, not British.
OT: Someone just shot them self in the foot, and I don't think it's notch.
Didn't you know that becoming filthy rich suddenly changes you into a posh Brit, including monocle, top hat and butler? 'Tis true!
 

Shamanic Rhythm

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MajorDolphin said:
Finish. Minecraft. First. The game has a lot of promise but they're wasting their energy porting it to the Xbox and now this other junk. Millions of people dropped 20 bucks on a beta and all that money goes towards other development. Great way to piss off the fans...
I bolded that just so you can identify for yourself the frivolity involved. Nice to see that a Minecraft related thread doesn't go without the usual 'Notch is lazy' whining.
 

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theriddlen said:
Well, if Bethesda wants to stay neutral in my mind they better think twice before trying to do something to Notch. I really want to buy New Vegas.
Buy new Vegas. Its made by obsidian (only published by Bethesda). 120% better writing than anything Bethesda could even dream of putting out, Despite what the Beth fanboys say about it having a "Worse Story" and "'forced' replay Value".
 

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okay time for a lawyer joke.

A lawyer dies and goes to hell. when he meets satan, satan says to him that he's been such a bad person by getting murderers/ rapist's etc. that he's being taken to the lowest level of hell. as they are descending at about the 7th level or so the lawyer looks over and see's another lawyer having sex with a very attractive woman. he then asks Satan "if this is hell then why is that lawyer having sex with such an attractive woman?" Satan looks at him and says "WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION HER PUNISHMENT!?"
 

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5t3v0 said:
Despite what the Beth fanboys say about it having a "Worse Story" and "'forced' replay Value".
I haven't seen anyone saying that.. do people say that?

Because that's moronic. About the dumbest thing I can imagine anyone saying about New Vegas. New Vegas had some really serious problems, but the story wasn't among them.
 

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MrJKapowey said:
I still won't care. Bethesda is still awesome.
You HAVE to be kidding. While I'll agree that I like the Elderscrolls series, and that Bethesda can do some good story-writing and they make good character-building systems, as a development company, they are horseshit. Every game they have ever put out. EVERY GAME. Has been a buggy pile of shit outside of the aforementioned good character-building and interesting stories. If Bethesda were a pen-and-paper RPG company, I'd be right there with you saying that they are the bee's knees. As video game developers though, they are terrible. As the mantra goes; Bethesda makes the game, and the community fixes the game.

Name even one product with Bethesda's name on it that wasn't buggy as hell. Heck, even Brink had it's fair share of bugs, and Bethesda only published that one. It's like they ruin games just by touching them.
 

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Pandabearparade said:
5t3v0 said:
Despite what the Beth fanboys say about it having a "Worse Story" and "'forced' replay Value".
I haven't seen anyone saying that.. do people say that?

Because that's moronic. About the dumbest thing I can imagine anyone saying about New Vegas. New Vegas had some really serious problems, but the story wasn't among them.
well I'm not sure if it was a Beth Fanboy, but a while ago there was this article that was posted about "Why fallout 3 is better than new Vegas" and the guy who posted it said everything that was obviously his opinion as fact. Those 2 things were part of the list. All of his points were void by anyone who has any sense as well.

And the Extra Credits episode on Fallout New Vegas and amnesia stories (But again, thats not Beth fanboyism.). I love extra credits, but they showed a lot of ignorance with that video.

Well that was more targeted at those who love fallout 3 more and cite reasons that make no sense. They way I can see it, the only true argument about Fallout New Vegas being worse in an area is the stability, but even then that can be argued with the fact that NV ran different for different people, even on the same console/system and Fallout 3 being around the same with its stabiltiy for many users as well, just not as reported due to everyone being "Blown away"
 

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So... would they also sue anyone who used the term "Elder"? Or is it just scrolls? So no other video game in existence can have the world Scrolls in its title now? Isn't that stupid?

Bethesda's "reason" for doing this is that people might become "confused" and mistake Notch's game for an Elder Scroll's game.

That.
Is.
Ludicrous.

Only a brain damaged Chipmunk could actually think that just because a game is called Scrolls it is linked to the Elder Scroll's series. No person with the intelligence to read could mistake the two.

What's next? Going after Fruit Roll ups, because Roll is a part of Scroll?

Bethesda should drop this suit. Even if it's an automated response, it should still be dropped. Besides, I have NEVER heard anyone call it "Scrolls". I've heard people say "Oblivion" when referring to Oblivion and "Morrowind" and I have heard of people referring to it as "Elder scrolls", but I have never, EVER heard of anyone say "So, you gonna buy Scrolls?" or "Have you played Scrolls?".

Maybe I should make a game called "The Scrolling Scrolls of Scrolland: On the Edge!" just to spite them. In fact, get 200 indie developers together to make some indie games incorporating Scroll in the title - let's see Bethesda try to sue all of them.
 

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WhiteTigerShiro said:
MrJKapowey said:
I still won't care. Bethesda is still awesome.
Name even one product with Bethesda's name on it that wasn't buggy as hell. Heck, even Brink had it's fair share of bugs, and Bethesda only published that one. It's like they ruin games just by touching them.
The last two sentences I'm just going to ignore. They have no bearing on it in ANY way at all.

Well, I have bought 3 Bethesda products and in my opinion, all three of them had no bugs at all.

The only bug I ever had was not getting a map marker for a quest in FNV, the reason being that the marker SHOULD'VE directed me towards Helios One to speak with the Lt in charge. The had been killed by the plant defense system and was replaced by legionaries.

In other words, I have never encountered a bug which is above acceptable for a Bethesda game.
 

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Absolutely ludicrous.

Have you trademarked the word "Scrolls"?
No, we haven't.
Go away.

Oh, on a side note -

MrJKapowey said:
Well, I have bought 3 Bethesda products and in my opinion, all three of them had no bugs at all.
Oh mate. I've had a lot of Bethesda games and I love them all but they're buggy as hell. Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas especially. I'm talking "how the f*ck did you let it ship with a blatant bug within first 10 minutes of gameplay?!" sort of bugs.
 

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robandall said:
Absolutely ludicrous.

Have you trademarked the word "Scrolls"?
No
Get out
I'm sorry guys, I have to go off topic for a bit. I love your avatar. Good ol' Terry Tibs... Oh fonejacker...
 

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5t3v0 said:
robandall said:
Absolutely ludicrous.

Have you trademarked the word "Scrolls"?
No
Get out
I'm sorry guys, I have to go off topic for a bit. I love your avatar. Good ol' Terry Tibs... Oh fonejacker...
Bethesda suing Notch. Talk to me.

Everybody loves Terry Tibbs!
 

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bob1052 said:
I think a lot of this stems from how trademark law actually works.

If you don't actively enforce your trademark rights, you lose the trademark. Therefore it is safer to chase after anything that even remotely resembles infringement than to wait until a later date and hope you catch anything that is big enough to warrant trouble.

Basically, if Bethesda lets this slide without any trouble, and then next year some random person tries to make an "Elder Scrolls" game, they could cite Mojang's "Scrolls" as proof that Bethesda has not enforced, and therefore no longer has rights to their "Elder Scrolls" trademark.

Regardless of how much of a case Bethesda has, they have no choice but to take action in this situation. The outcome isn't important to Bethesda, as Mojang isn't stealing actual content nor trying to mask his game as one of theirs and therefore will not cause them any damage either way but the act of defending the trademark against something that could be remotely considered infringement is, however, very important to Bethesda.
What? Seriously? Geez! Why is trademark law written like that?
 

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I dont have a great deal of opinion. If this is indeed unknowing copyright infringement wouldnt it be better to nip in the bud now than notice it later down the line when the games released, sold and then makes the claim? I love Bethesda, i like Mojang. This debacle is nothing new between big companies, it happens all the time. People frothing and announcing they are never going to buy a Beth' game again is peurile, silly and fucking childish. Get your head from up of Notch's ass too, that would be grand. Raging fanboying is just reducing the value of the thread.

Edit: Guy above me, quote of the outlined copyright law requirements to chasing up BS. Read it, stop foaming like rabid badgers.

Editedit: Lawl gamers trying to make out they know the law more than the lawyers. "Oh you can't do this unless you copyrighted X Y AND Z too!"