Biden clenches the nomination.

[crimson5pheonix]

Except the old swing vote that defended it before is gone. Kennedy retired which allowed trump toadie Kavanaugh to come in. While the court had a conservative majority before, Kennedy would sometimes go with the more left wing justices.

And yet, still nothing has changed. That's the big problem facing the Democrat strategy right now, Trump is loud, obnoxious, openly corrupt, small minded, self absorbed, and harmful to himself, the country, and the world.

But that's what the left has been saying about every president for years, except maybe for the loud and obnoxious part.If you're trying to sell your shit candidate on the existential threat posed by your opponent, it helps if your opponent is an existential threat and not just making the spiral of doom obvious for everyone to see instead of just people paying attention.

Oh I already know why I follow the DNC, because they aren't the republicans. Its a 2 party system and the republicans pretty much represent everything I disagree with so I'm going with the opposition despite them not really representing me.

See, that just doesn't make sense to me. If you're presented with two parties who represent everything you disagree with, why pick one of them?

 

[lil devils x]

And yet, still nothing has changed. That's the big problem facing the Democrat strategy right now, Trump is loud, obnoxious, openly corrupt, small minded, self absorbed, and harmful to himself, the country, and the world.

But that's what the left has been saying about every president for years, except maybe for the loud and obnoxious part.If you're trying to sell your shit candidate on the existential threat posed by your opponent, it helps if your opponent is an existential threat and not just making the spiral of doom obvious for everyone to see instead of just people paying attention.



See, that just doesn't make sense to me. If you're presented with two parties who represent everything you disagree with, why pick one of them?

There is a simple reason for this. There is still a very large portion of Americans with "Socialist phobia" due to decades of mindless propaganda. There are still too many people who are convinced a socialist cannot win in the US, and they may not be wrong due to how ignorant so much of the general population really is on the subject. When you remove all candidates that reek of socialism, all you have left are the Biden's and the Trumps so we get to eat a turd sandwich either way, it is a matter of which one will do the least amount of damage. We may dislike both of them, but the reality is Biden will do far less damage than Trump. The reality is just about anyone would do less damage than Trump. Just look at them as the difference between two tumors. You want them both removed because they are irritating, but Biden is benign, Trump is malignant, thus the urgency to remove Trump is a far more pressing issue. Having Trump in office will literally get many more people killed with his incompetence and arrogance. Biden is more likely to allow experts to do their job and not interfere, the same cannot be said for Trump and it costs so many more lives.

 

[Dreiko]

Oh great, you're another one who doesn't understand how the supreme court works and just wants to burn down the world rather then not get exactly what they want.

I think you may not get how it works. There's nothing stating there has to be X amount of people on it. There's history of increasing or reducing their members. Either way, you can't blackmail us with this threat. You are the ones who'd rather (literally, through global warming) burn the world down rather than not get exactly what you want.


Also, and this is almost equally important, a judge suggested by Biden is not all that different to a republican one in my eyes. The guy Obama was about to put on there that they prevented him from cause it was his last year (another new thing nobody did before but which was apparently doable) was definitely not my idea of a liberal judge.

 

[lil devils x]

We've already had 4 years of Trump and that hasn't really happened, and your solution is to install someone who has said on the record that they don't like Roe V. Wade, so that's pretty laughable.

What'll really clench it though is that, after Hillary lost, the DNC looked at their strategy and said "Hillary lost because she's a woman and she focuses on policy too much", to which a very large swathe of the party told them they were wrong. Which the DNC ignored. So Biden losing even harder should be a sign that the DNC has no clue how to operate a political party.

What hasn't happened? Trump and the GOP senate stacked the courts and we have had all sorts of attacks and degradation of Women's rights, women's healthcare, Disability rights, minority rights making something Biden said in the past pretty insignificant.

Opinion | Trump's anti-abortion agenda has begun an all-out war on women's rights

Pro-lifers think they now have the Supreme Court votes to overturn Roe v. Wade. And they're setting up the legal fights to get there.

www.nbcnews.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-anti-woman-push-puts-america-in-the-pantheon-of-human-rights-offenders/2019/09/27/e8428a56-e12c-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html

Trump SSDI Rule a "Brutal and Vile Attack" on Disabled Americans - NCPSSM

The Social Security Administration wants to impose a disability review on SSDI beneficiaries forcing them to “re-prove” their disabilities every two years.

www.ncpssm.org

Trump administration cuts to Social Security disability benefits among the cruelest

U.S. already has among strictest disability benefits eligibility standards in the world, writes Rebecca Vallas with the Center for American Progress

www.usatoday.com

DeVos Is Stripping Away Civil Rights Protections for Students With Special Needs

I’m detecting a trend. Recently, The Atlantic ran a piece that catalogues the Trump administration’s disregard of civil rights protections for Americans (a

educationpost.org

Trump Administration’s Proposed Disability Benefits Policy Change Will Hurt Thousands Of Americans

Trump Administration's proposed Social Security policy change will strip hundreds of thousands of Americans from disability benefits.

www.forbes.com

At a time when we have so many more Americans needing these dire benefits to be increased to survive at all, he is creating policies that will directly result in so many more unnecessary deaths. His policies are directly killing people, a lot of people. Biden having a perpetual foot in his mouth is pretty minor when you look at Trumps actual actions here. Trump's actions show him to be far more dangerous to lives than Biden by far.

The Trump administration's latest attack on health care hurts all Americans: Today's talker

'This is yet another effort on behalf of the Trump-Pence administration to undermine access to health care in this country,' says Dr. Leana Wen.

www.usatoday.com

Trump's budget is a $292 billion attack on poor Americans

It'll never pass, but it shows how committed the president is to slashing the social safety net.

www.motherjones.com

Trump's food stamp cuts are cruel politics and bad economics

The move will hurt hundreds of thousands of Americans and hamstring a critical recession response mechanism

theweek.com

Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks

Documenting the Trump administration’s across-the-board assault on civil and human rights.

civilrights.org

 

[Trunkage]

Biden has the advantage of being a man, and we have 4 years of 'Told you so' to boot.

Even I who called Trump a Nazi back in 2016 am astonished how much of a Nazi he is.

Despite what some people here want to admit, a fair number of people learned their lesson.

And yeah, Biden is worse than Hillary, but that is because when progressives throw away their vote, that only lets things move further right, not further left.

Yeah, I didn't think gender mattered. Then Theresa May happened. Bojo had the exact same platform except pretty much have North Ireland back to Ireland without any consideration for how to track goods across either border. (So, a way worse plan than May)

But, somehow, he was reelected. It certainly wasnt his charisma or his plan...

 

[crimson5pheonix]

There is a simple reason for this. There is still a very large portion of Americans with "Socialist phobia" due to decades of mindless propaganda. There are still too many people who are convinced a socialist cannot win in the US, and they may not be wrong due to how ignorant so much of the general population really is on the subject. When you remove all candidates that reek of socialism, all you have left are the Biden's and the Trumps so we get to eat a turd sandwich either way, it is a matter of which one will do the least amount of damage. We may dislike both of them, but the reality is Biden will do far less damage than Trump. The reality is just about anyone would do less damage than Trump. Just look at them as the difference between two tumors. You want them both removed because they are irritating, but Biden is benign, Trump is malignant, thus the urgency to remove Trump is a far more pressing issue. Having Trump in office will literally get many more people killed with his incompetence and arrogance. Biden is more likely to allow experts to do their job and not interfere, the same cannot be said for Trump and it costs so many more lives.

I'd almost believe that, but the phobia has been going down and also, the Dems had a whole field of mindless puppets to run, but they still picked the only rapist Republican of the lot.

What hasn't happened? Trump and the GOP senate stacked the courts and we have had all sorts of attacks and degradation of Women's rights, women's healthcare, Disability rights, minority rights making something Biden said in the past pretty insignificant.

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At a time when we have so many more Americans needing these dire benefits to be increased to survive at all, he is creating policies that will directly result in so many more unnecessary deaths. His policies are directly killing people, a lot of people. Biden having a perpetual foot in his mouth is pretty minor when you look at Trumps actual actions here. Trump's actions show him to be far more dangerous to lives than Biden by far.

Snap for space

"The death of a thousand cuts" is the longstanding social policy of the US, the declining wealth of the lower class into poverty and death isn't new. And austerity is just as much a Democrat policy as it is a Republican policy.

Senate Democrats Join GOP to Back 'Automatic Austerity' Bill That Would Gut Social Programs, Hamstring Bold Policies

"One priority of a Sanders or Warren White House absolutely must be politically crushing the deficit scolds within the Democratic Party."

www.commondreams.org

Buttigieg Confirms Status as 'Austerity Candidate' With Call for Democrats to Prioritize Reducing Deficit

"This is substantively disqualifying and politically insulting to Democrats—and any left of center person."

www.commondreams.org

The Democrats: The austerity party?

With continual concessions to House Republicans, Democrats are now the austerians of reactionary Keynesianism.

www.aljazeera.com

The Rise of the Austerity Hawk Democrats

President Obama has successfully used the bully pulpit to undermine the case for progressive governance.

www.thenation.com

 

[lil devils x]

Yeah, I didn't think gender mattered. Then Theresa May happened. Bojo had the exact same platform except pretty much have North Ireland back to Ireland without any consideration for how to track goods across either border. (So, a way worse plan than May)

But, somehow, he was reelected. It certainly wasnt his charisma or his plan...

I have heard a number of women here locally say they didn't think a woman should be president. Sadly, this backwards idea still exists in our society and does impact a woman's electability. I have heard reasons from women varying from " People do not listen to a woman the way they do a man" to " women are just not built for that". This coming from other women so yea, it is pretty well ingrained in society still so unless something is actually done to remedy that mindset, I am not seeing it go away anytime soon.

 

[lil devils x]

I'd almost believe that, but the phobia has been going down and also, the Dems had a whole field of mindless puppets to run, but they still picked the only rapist Republican of the lot.



"The death of a thousand cuts" is the longstanding social policy of the US, the declining wealth of the lower class into poverty and death isn't new. And austerity is just as much a Democrat policy as it is a Republican policy.

Senate Democrats Join GOP to Back 'Automatic Austerity' Bill That Would Gut Social Programs, Hamstring Bold Policies

"One priority of a Sanders or Warren White House absolutely must be politically crushing the deficit scolds within the Democratic Party."

www.commondreams.org

Buttigieg Confirms Status as 'Austerity Candidate' With Call for Democrats to Prioritize Reducing Deficit

"This is substantively disqualifying and politically insulting to Democrats—and any left of center person."

www.commondreams.org

The Democrats: The austerity party?

With continual concessions to House Republicans, Democrats are now the austerians of reactionary Keynesianism.

www.aljazeera.com

We have long known that the Blue dog dems are actually republicans. That is nothing new here. When you do a side by side comparison of the factions of the democratic party vs the factions of the republican party, the democrats still are the far better choice. There is no comparison really when you look at the current make up of both parties:

The Six Wings Of The Democratic Party

There’s a lot of news right now about conflicts within the Democratic Party, and similar stories will likely continue to pop up for the next two years. Much of …

fivethirtyeight.com

The Five Wings Of The Republican Party

When President Trump entered office, it wasn’t clear if he would consolidate control of the Republican Party — or even his own administration. We used to write…

fivethirtyeight.com

You see, taking a handful of dems that are actually republicans and saying they do the same thing, isn't the same as having the party unified around the actual policy of cutting healthcare and food for the poor.

"In contrast, Republicans, at both the state and federal levels, are largely unified around an agenda of cutting spending for programs such as Medicaid that are targeted at low-income people, defending Americans’ ability to own and purchase guns, limiting abortion, and reducing regulations and taxes on businesses. "

That is the core issue here. Huge difference in it being a matter of having it be " just as much" a democrat policy. It is not, and the faction make up of the parties, their platforms, and voting records overall make that blatantly obvious at every level of government.

EDIT: In addition, even though we may detest the Blue dog dems, we still currently need them to maintain a majority. Their polices will be voted out as long as the democrats make the actual agenda. All that matters to the democrats is them having a (d) next to their name instead of a (r) right now so that we have democrats controlling the agenda to prevent Mitch McConnell from blocking bills to help the people from the floor at all. Without obtaining that majority, by any means possible at this point, including having blue dogs elected in red states, Progressive dems will have their hands tied. The best way we can help progressive dems right now is to ensure a democrat majority in both houses and the white house. Bernie Sanders will be the first one to tell you how and why that is so important right now. By letting Republicans control anything right now, you are preventing him and the rest of those who do want to help from being able to do so.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

We have long known that the Blue dog dems are actually republicans. That is nothing new here. When you do a side by side comparison of the factions of the democratic party vs the factions of the republican party, the democrats still are the far better choice. There is no comparison really when you look at the current make up of both parties:

The Six Wings Of The Democratic Party

There’s a lot of news right now about conflicts within the Democratic Party, and similar stories will likely continue to pop up for the next two years. Much of …

fivethirtyeight.com

The Five Wings Of The Republican Party

When President Trump entered office, it wasn’t clear if he would consolidate control of the Republican Party — or even his own administration. We used to write…

fivethirtyeight.com

You see, taking a handful of dems that are actually republicans and saying they do the same thing, isn't the same as having the party unified around the actual policy of cutting healthcare and food for the poor.

"In contrast, Republicans, at both the state and federal levels, are largely unified around an agenda of cutting spending for programs such as Medicaid that are targeted at low-income people, defending Americans’ ability to own and purchase guns, limiting abortion, and reducing regulations and taxes on businesses. "

That is the core issue here. Huge difference in it being a matter of having it be " just as much" a democrat policy. It is not, and the faction make up of the parties, their platforms, and voting records overall make that blatantly obvious at every level of government.

Picking the person holding your head underwater with one arm instead of both is not a rational choice to make. The Dems however as an institution are following the Republicans as best they can. There are Dems who are better about it than others, and some who are actually good politicians.

The Dems make sure they never see the light of day or let their votes pass. That's how we can have an Obama who makes things worse across the board, but not as much as a Republican, maybe.

 

[lil devils x]

Picking the person holding your head underwater with one arm instead of both is not a rational choice to make. The Dems however as an institution are following the Republicans as best they can. There are Dems who are better about it than others, and some who are actually good politicians.

The Dems make sure they never see the light of day or let their votes pass. That's how we can have an Obama who makes things worse across the board, but not as much as a Republican, maybe.

There is no " maybe" about it. If you read the links I provided above, you can plainly see the progressive wing IS growing, our hope is they will eventually grow to a solid majority that will be able to get more of their agenda passed, but that has not happened yet. They are not able to do anything to help at all though if republicans retain control however. By allowing republicans to maintain control of anything at this point, you are actively preventing those trying to help from being able to do anything. Even if they can only get things done in babysteps under democrat control, that is still far better than having us go backwards instead of forwards under republicans. Republicans are making it even harder for democrats to solve any of the problems when they gain back control. Allowing republicans any ground here not only ensures that nothing will be done for a longer amount of time, it ensures that more damage will be done in the process that will need to be rectified later before you can even get ahead in the first place.

EDIT: When republicans are stacking the courts with judges who think universal healthcare is unconstitutional and will rule against it, Even if Bernie was elected, how would he be able to keep the program open when the courts rule to shut it down? This is the reality of allowing republicans to retain any control right now. Do people really think it hurts Hillary or Biden to not be elected? It actually hurts the people, Hillary and Biden are well off, they will be fine, instead it is the people are who will suffer and perish when people are elected who will try to twist the system to work against the people. At least having either Hillary or Biden elected, as much as I can't stand either one of them, would still ensure that what democrats can manage to get passed in congress will be signed. That means the work that progressive dems in congress do will not be for nothing. Right now we are ensuring that those trying to help us will not be able to do so by letting republicans maintain control. You need to keep in mind that people are suffering and perishing right now due to this and really cannot afford to wait for the entire country to be ready to vote for progressives. They will have already been long dead by that point.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

There is no " maybe" about it. If you read the links I provided above, you can plainly see the progressive wing IS growing, our hope is they will eventually grow to a solid majority that will be able to get more of their agenda passed, but that has not happened yet. They are not able to do anything to help at all though if republicans retain control however. By allowing republicans to maintain control of anything at this point, you are actively preventing those trying to help from being able to do anything. Even if they can only get things done in babysteps under democrat control, that is still far better than having us go backwards instead of forwards under republicans. Republicans are making it even harder for democrats to solve any of the problems when they gain back control. Allowing republicans any ground here not only ensures that nothing will be done for a longer amount of time, it ensures that more damage will be done in the process that will need to be rectified later before you can even get ahead in the first place.

EDIT: When republicans are stacking the courts with judges who think universal healthcare is unconstitutional and will rule against it, Even if Bernie was elected, how would he be able to keep the program open when the courts rule to shut it down? This is the reality of allowing republicans to retain any control right now. Do people really think it hurts Hillary or Biden to not be elected? It actually hurts the people, Hillary and Biden are well off, they will be fine, instead it is the people are who will suffer and perish when people are elected who will try to twist the system to work against the people. At least having either Hillary or Biden elected, as much as I can't stand either one of them, would still ensure that what democrats can manage to get passed in congress will be signed. That means the work that progressive dems in congress do will not be for nothing. Right now we are ensuring that those trying to help us will not be able to do so by letting republicans maintain control.

Letting Democrats take control has done nothing, actual nothing, to help people. Uncritically voting Blue is what let us get to this sorry state where you have to say the courts are your only hope, there's no protection under a Dem president, picking one who hates Roe v Wade and then expecting him to uphold it is a terrible terrible idea. The only way to get these idiots out of power is to throw them out.

The DNC is a corrupt, lying, degrading, racist, sexist, plutocratic, kleptocratic, crony institution who will devote every ounce of it's power to make sure it's progressive base receives absolutely nothing but platitudes while they plunder the country just as hard as the Republicans. There is no progress under the DNC, and no policy of Trump's that's been implemented yet can't be undone later.

I'll only vote Dem when they try to undo what Trump does. Biden's not that man.

 

[lil devils x]

Letting Democrats take control has done nothing, actual nothing, to help people. Uncritically voting Blue is what let us get to this sorry state where you have to say the courts are your only hope, there's no protection under a Dem president, picking one who hates Roe v Wade and then expecting him to uphold it is a terrible terrible idea. The only way to get these idiots out of power is to throw them out.

The DNC is a corrupt, lying, degrading, racist, sexist, plutocratic, kleptocratic, crony institution who will devote every ounce of it's power to make sure it's progressive base receives absolutely nothing but platitudes while they plunder the country just as hard as the Republicans. There is no progress under the DNC, and no policy of Trump's that's been implemented yet can't be undone later.

I'll only vote Dem when they try to undo what Trump does. Biden's not that man.

What do you mean it has done nothing? It literally saved millions of lives. Do you even realize how many people would seriously have died already without the ACA?

New data suggests ACA has been successful in saving lives

Google’s new IP comes under scrutiny; Evidence emerging that the ACA saves lives; 3-D printing reducing Air Force costs; Crypto exchanges ba...

publicpolicy.wharton.upenn.edu

Medicaid Expansion Has Saved at Least 19,000 Lives, New Research Finds | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

New evidence that thousands of lives are at stake should give states that have not yet expanded Medicaid one more reason to do so.

www.cbpp.org

Not just healthcare but their expansion of numerous other programs have been saving lives across the board:

FACT SHEET: Obama Administration Announces Major Investments in Preventing Child Hunger | Food and Nutrition Service

www.fns.usda.gov

Democrats more supportive than Republicans of federal spending for scientific research

Around six-in-ten Democrats support increased spending for scientific research, compared with 40% of Republicans, a gap that has grown over time.

www.pewresearch.org

The Obama administration pushes for a better response to unemployment

President Obama has announced a package of reforms to repair some of the damage done in recent years to the unemployment insurance system and to provide more help to workers at risk of losing jobs—incentives for employers to retain workers, more income support for job losers, and more help...

www.epi.org

Obama Budget Calls For Boost To Disability Programs

President Barack Obama wants Congress to halt planned cuts under sequestration and increase funding for special education and other programs for people with disabilities.

www.disabilityscoop.com

Wide Partisan Gap Exists Over U.S. Aid to World’s Needy

The number of Republicans who would decrease U.S. aid to the world’s needy is 45 points more than that of Democrats.

www.pewresearch.org

When you take a side by side comparison of republican policies vs democrat policies in terms of cause and effect of lives saved, there really is no comparison here. Republican policy costs lives and democrats polices have been saving them. Attempting to claim they are "both the same" just doesn't match the reality of the data. Being indifferent and refusing to act at all because we don't get to vote for who we actually want and have to "settle" for some Bozo has real world consequences and does actually mean the difference for life and death for a good many people right now.

EDIT: Also, Bernie's idea of taking over the democratic party IS working, it just takes time. They have gained so much ground and will only lose it the more democrats lose. If you want to help them gain ground, we have to help them win, not lose, on all levels of government, and then we will be able to push the policies we want. That just isn't even remotely possible with republicans, as it is not even an option here. We make Progressives lose ground the more Republicans win. That is just how this works and republican policies only make getting anything done more difficult while they add obstacles to being able to act at all. So by the time democrats get around to electing someone you do like, they will have already had their hands preemptively tied by the republican policies before they ever take office making it so they cannot do anything they set out to do in the first place. This essentially ensures that the candidates you like and want will not be able to actually do anything impactful while in office and will be kept spinning their wheels navigating the obstacles republicans put into place that has to be done for them to be able to do anything at all.

Where is the democrat stacked bench to make sure they rule in favor of medicare for all? Oh yea we lost that when Trump was elected and he stacked the bench with people who would rule against it so it doesn't matter if they pass it or not right now because it will be tied up in court for the rest of our lifetimes. Removing people from the bench so we can pass what is needed can prove to be difficult, especially when they have so many that will rule this way now...

 

[crimson5pheonix]

What do you mean it has done nothing? It literally saved millions of lives. Do you even realize how many people would seriously have died already without the ACA?

New data suggests ACA has been successful in saving lives

Google’s new IP comes under scrutiny; Evidence emerging that the ACA saves lives; 3-D printing reducing Air Force costs; Crypto exchanges ba...

publicpolicy.wharton.upenn.edu

Medicaid Expansion Has Saved at Least 19,000 Lives, New Research Finds | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

New evidence that thousands of lives are at stake should give states that have not yet expanded Medicaid one more reason to do so.

www.cbpp.org

Not just healthcare but their expansion of numerous other programs have been saving lives across the board:

FACT SHEET: Obama Administration Announces Major Investments in Preventing Child Hunger | Food and Nutrition Service

www.fns.usda.gov

Democrats more supportive than Republicans of federal spending for scientific research

Around six-in-ten Democrats support increased spending for scientific research, compared with 40% of Republicans, a gap that has grown over time.

www.pewresearch.org

The Obama administration pushes for a better response to unemployment

President Obama has announced a package of reforms to repair some of the damage done in recent years to the unemployment insurance system and to provide more help to workers at risk of losing jobs—incentives for employers to retain workers, more income support for job losers, and more help...

www.epi.org

Obama Budget Calls For Boost To Disability Programs

President Barack Obama wants Congress to halt planned cuts under sequestration and increase funding for special education and other programs for people with disabilities.

www.disabilityscoop.com

Wide Partisan Gap Exists Over U.S. Aid to World’s Needy

The number of Republicans who would decrease U.S. aid to the world’s needy is 45 points more than that of Democrats.

www.pewresearch.org

When you take a side by side comparison of republican policies vs democrat policies in terms of cause and effect of lives saved, there really is no comparison here. Republican policy costs lives and democrats polices have been saving them. Attempting to claim they are "both the same" just doesn't match the reality of the data. Being indifferent and refusing to act at all because we don't get to vote for who we actually want and have to "settle" for some Bozo has real world consequences and does actually mean the difference for life and death for a good many people right now.

EDIT: Also, Bernie's idea of taking over the democratic party IS working, it just takes time. They have gained so much ground and will only lose it the more democrats lose. If you want to help them gain ground, we have to help them win, not lose, on all levels of government, and then we will be able to push the policies we want. That just isn't even remotely possible with republicans, as it is not even an option here. We make Progressives lose ground the more Republicans win. That is just how this works and republican policies only make getting anything done more difficult while they add obstacles to being able to act at all. So by the time democrats get around to electing someone you do like, they will have already had their hands preemptively tied by the republican policies before they ever take office making it so they cannot do anything they set out to do in the first place. This essentially ensures that the candidates you like and want will not be able to actually do anything impactful while in office and will be kept spinning their wheels navigating the obstacles republicans put into place that has to be done for them to be able to do anything at all.

You have to help progressives win, not Democrats. Just getting Ds into office does literally nothing.

As to your posts, you might have seen before that for the ACA to have passed, the Dems had to cut Medicaid and other programs drastically because of their own damn insistence on austerity. And before you say Democrats save lives:

Victim of Obama's first drone strike: 'I am the living example of what drones are'

Faheem Qureshi was 14 when a drone attack on his home left him with horrific injuries, several family members dead and his dreams for the future in tatters

www.theguardian.com

Obama’s Unprecedented Use of State Secrets to Defend Religious Profiling - Colorlines

President Obama vowed as a candidate to end George W. Bush's use of the state secrets privilege to get lawsuits thrown out of court. Instead, the administration is wielding it in previously unused ways to defend widespread profiling of Muslim Americans.

www.colorlines.com

Obama fails his first test on civil liberties and accountability -- resoundingly and disgracefully

The Obama DOJ today embraced one of the most abused Bush weapons -- the "state secrets" privilege -- in order to block torture and rendition victims from their day in court.

www.salon.com

Obama Gambles On Afghan Escalation

By announcing plans to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, President Obama assumed political ownership of the war even as he set a timetable to begin the withdrawal in 18 months. Obama sought to convince a skeptical American public that the Afghan conflict is still winnable.

www.npr.org

The US Role in the Honduras Coup and Subsequent Violence

On March 3, BertaCaceres, a brave and outspoken indigenous Honduran environmental activist and winner of the Goldman Environmental Prize, was gunned down in her hometown of La Esperanza.

www.commondreams.org

WikiLeaks Haiti: Let Them Live on $3 a Day

The US Embassy aided Levi’s, Hanes contractors in their fight against an increase in Haiti’s minimum wage.

www.thenation.com

Obama's justice department grants final immunity to Bush's CIA torturers | Glenn Greenwald

Glenn Greenwald: By closing two cases of detainees tortured to death, Obama has put the US beyond any accountability under the rule of law

www.theguardian.com

Dear Americans: This Law Makes It Possible To Arrest And Jail You Indefinitely Anytime

Terrorism may not be the worst threat to freedom that we face.

www.huffpost.com

Obama's war on whistleblowers leaves administration insiders unscathed

Five key political players enjoy ‘virtual impunity’ – while four lower-level figures are in prison or facing time

www.theguardian.com

Holder: Banks Too Big To Prosecute

When the Attorney General of the United States admits some banks are simply too big to prosecute, it might be time to admit we have a problem -- and that...

www.huffpost.com

Full Coverage: ATF's Fast and Furious scandal

A federal operation dubbed Fast and Furious allowed weapons from the U.S. to pass into the hands of suspected gun smugglers so the arms could be traced to the higher echelons of Mexican drug cartels.

www.latimes.com

Executive Order -- Blocking the Property and Suspending Entry into the United States of Certain Persons with Respect to Grave Human Rights Abuses by the Governments of Iran and Syria via Information Technology

EXECUTIVE ORDER - - - - - - - BLOCKING THE PROPERTY AND SUSPENDING ENTRY INTO THE UNITED STATES OF CERTAIN PERSONS WITH RESPECT TO GRAVE

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

White House To Reauthorize Military Equipment For Police

The Obama White House is set to authorize police agencies to once again acquire military equipment, reversing a 2015 ban.

www.mintpressnews.com

U.S. says deportation of Honduran children a warning to illegal migrants

The White House said on Tuesday that Central Americans trying to cross the U.S. border should know "they will not be welcome to this country," a day after the United States deported a planeload of women and children to Honduras.

www.reuters.com

Obama apologizes for Kunduz attack, MSF demands independent probe

U.S. President Barack Obama on Wednesday apologized to Medecins Sans Frontieres for the deadly bombing of its hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, while the medical charity pressed its demand for an international commission to investigate what it calls a war crime.

www.reuters.com

The U.S. Just Agreed to Give Israel $38 Billion in Military Aid

Over the next 10 years.

fortune.com

White House distances itself from Glass-Steagall push

Josh Earnest said the administration is still focused on implementing Dodd-Frank reforms.

thehill.com

Obama-led drone strikes kill innocents 90% of the time: report

Drone strikes conducted by the United States during a 5-month-long campaign in Afghanistan caused the deaths of unintended targets nearly nine out of ten times, leaked intelligence documents suggest.

www.washingtontimes.com

The Democratic Party's deceitful game

They are willing to bravely support any progressive bill as long as there's no chance it can pass

www.salon.com

Obama’s Final Arms-Export Tally More than Doubles Bush’s

Most of the $278 billion in approved sales have gone to Saudi Arabia and other Mideast allies.

www.defenseone.com

Blacks falling behind under ObamaCare

Blacks disproportionately live in states that have not expanded Medicaid.

thehill.com

President Obama signs $8.7 billion food stamp cut into law

The 2014 Farm Bill, which the president signed on Friday, will cause 850,000 households to lose an average of $90 per month.

www.msnbc.com

Blocked From Trade Pact By Its Failure on Slavery, Malaysia Suddenly Gets a Passing Grade

The lack of evidence that Malaysia has taken steps against slavery raises the possibility that the decision was made for purely political reasons.

theintercept.com

Hillary Clinton’s State Department Gave South Sudan’s Military a Pass for Its Child Soldiers

State Department under Clinton played a central and unacknowledged role in granting waivers for military aid to South Sudan despite its child soldiers.

theintercept.com

Obama administration’s $1 billion arms deal aids Saudi brutality in Yemen, lawmakers say

Congressional Republicans are squaring off against the Obama administration’s proposed $1 billion weapons deal with Saudi Arabia, which lawmakers say will embolden Riyadh with enough firepower to continue its brutal intervention in the ongoing civil war in Yemen.

www.washingtontimes.com

Did the White House Direct the Police Crackdown on Occupy?

Documents Show How White House and Democrats Worked to Protect the Banks Against Protests

www.counterpunch.org

Obama's Foreclosure Relief Program Was Designed to Help Bankers, Not Homeowners | BillMoyers.com

Five million American families lost their homes in a disgrace that will haunt Democrats.

billmoyers.com

Statement by the President on the Ukraine Freedom Support Act

Today, I have signed H.R. 5859, the Ukraine Freedom Support Act of 2014, into law.

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

Obama Expands Monsanto Doctrine By Signing DARK Act And Invalidating Vermont GMO Labeling Law

In a stark demonstration of the power of the agrochemical industry to dictate the terms of our nation’s food safety system, President Obama recently igno...

www.huffpost.com

The Wedding That Became a Funeral: U.S. Still Silent One Year on From Deadly Yemen Drone Strike - Newsweek

A drone strike on a wedding convoy killed 12, but the U.S. refuses to acknowledge civilian deaths

www.newsweek.com

 

[lil devils x]

You have to help progressives win, not Democrats. Just getting Ds into office does literally nothing.

As to your posts, you might have seen before that for the ACA to have passed, the Dems had to cut Medicaid and other programs drastically because of their own damn insistence on austerity. And before you say Democrats save lives:

Victim of Obama's first drone strike: 'I am the living example of what drones are'

Faheem Qureshi was 14 when a drone attack on his home left him with horrific injuries, several family members dead and his dreams for the future in tatters

www.theguardian.com

Obama’s Unprecedented Use of State Secrets to Defend Religious Profiling - Colorlines

President Obama vowed as a candidate to end George W. Bush's use of the state secrets privilege to get lawsuits thrown out of court. Instead, the administration is wielding it in previously unused ways to defend widespread profiling of Muslim Americans.

www.colorlines.com

Obama fails his first test on civil liberties and accountability -- resoundingly and disgracefully

The Obama DOJ today embraced one of the most abused Bush weapons -- the "state secrets" privilege -- in order to block torture and rendition victims from their day in court.

www.salon.com

Obama Gambles On Afghan Escalation

By announcing plans to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, President Obama assumed political ownership of the war even as he set a timetable to begin the withdrawal in 18 months. Obama sought to convince a skeptical American public that the Afghan conflict is still winnable.

www.npr.org

The US Role in the Honduras Coup and Subsequent Violence

On March 3, BertaCaceres, a brave and outspoken indigenous Honduran environmental activist and winner of the Goldman Environmental Prize, was gunned down in her hometown of La Esperanza.

www.commondreams.org

WikiLeaks Haiti: Let Them Live on $3 a Day

The US Embassy aided Levi’s, Hanes contractors in their fight against an increase in Haiti’s minimum wage.

www.thenation.com

Obama's justice department grants final immunity to Bush's CIA torturers | Glenn Greenwald

Glenn Greenwald: By closing two cases of detainees tortured to death, Obama has put the US beyond any accountability under the rule of law

www.theguardian.com

Dear Americans: This Law Makes It Possible To Arrest And Jail You Indefinitely Anytime

Terrorism may not be the worst threat to freedom that we face.

www.huffpost.com

Obama's war on whistleblowers leaves administration insiders unscathed

Five key political players enjoy ‘virtual impunity’ – while four lower-level figures are in prison or facing time

www.theguardian.com

Holder: Banks Too Big To Prosecute

When the Attorney General of the United States admits some banks are simply too big to prosecute, it might be time to admit we have a problem -- and that...

www.huffpost.com

Full Coverage: ATF's Fast and Furious scandal

A federal operation dubbed Fast and Furious allowed weapons from the U.S. to pass into the hands of suspected gun smugglers so the arms could be traced to the higher echelons of Mexican drug cartels.

www.latimes.com

Executive Order -- Blocking the Property and Suspending Entry into the United States of Certain Persons with Respect to Grave Human Rights Abuses by the Governments of Iran and Syria via Information Technology

EXECUTIVE ORDER - - - - - - - BLOCKING THE PROPERTY AND SUSPENDING ENTRY INTO THE UNITED STATES OF CERTAIN PERSONS WITH RESPECT TO GRAVE

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

White House To Reauthorize Military Equipment For Police

The Obama White House is set to authorize police agencies to once again acquire military equipment, reversing a 2015 ban.

www.mintpressnews.com

U.S. says deportation of Honduran children a warning to illegal migrants

The White House said on Tuesday that Central Americans trying to cross the U.S. border should know "they will not be welcome to this country," a day after the United States deported a planeload of women and children to Honduras.

www.reuters.com

Obama apologizes for Kunduz attack, MSF demands independent probe

U.S. President Barack Obama on Wednesday apologized to Medecins Sans Frontieres for the deadly bombing of its hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, while the medical charity pressed its demand for an international commission to investigate what it calls a war crime.

www.reuters.com

The U.S. Just Agreed to Give Israel $38 Billion in Military Aid

Over the next 10 years.

fortune.com

White House distances itself from Glass-Steagall push

Josh Earnest said the administration is still focused on implementing Dodd-Frank reforms.

thehill.com

Obama-led drone strikes kill innocents 90% of the time: report

Drone strikes conducted by the United States during a 5-month-long campaign in Afghanistan caused the deaths of unintended targets nearly nine out of ten times, leaked intelligence documents suggest.

www.washingtontimes.com

The Democratic Party's deceitful game

They are willing to bravely support any progressive bill as long as there's no chance it can pass

www.salon.com

Obama’s Final Arms-Export Tally More than Doubles Bush’s

Most of the $278 billion in approved sales have gone to Saudi Arabia and other Mideast allies.

www.defenseone.com

Blacks falling behind under ObamaCare

Blacks disproportionately live in states that have not expanded Medicaid.

thehill.com

President Obama signs $8.7 billion food stamp cut into law

The 2014 Farm Bill, which the president signed on Friday, will cause 850,000 households to lose an average of $90 per month.

www.msnbc.com

Blocked From Trade Pact By Its Failure on Slavery, Malaysia Suddenly Gets a Passing Grade

The lack of evidence that Malaysia has taken steps against slavery raises the possibility that the decision was made for purely political reasons.

theintercept.com

Hillary Clinton’s State Department Gave South Sudan’s Military a Pass for Its Child Soldiers

State Department under Clinton played a central and unacknowledged role in granting waivers for military aid to South Sudan despite its child soldiers.

theintercept.com

Obama administration’s $1 billion arms deal aids Saudi brutality in Yemen, lawmakers say

Congressional Republicans are squaring off against the Obama administration’s proposed $1 billion weapons deal with Saudi Arabia, which lawmakers say will embolden Riyadh with enough firepower to continue its brutal intervention in the ongoing civil war in Yemen.

www.washingtontimes.com

Did the White House Direct the Police Crackdown on Occupy?

Documents Show How White House and Democrats Worked to Protect the Banks Against Protests

www.counterpunch.org

Obama's Foreclosure Relief Program Was Designed to Help Bankers, Not Homeowners | BillMoyers.com

Five million American families lost their homes in a disgrace that will haunt Democrats.

billmoyers.com

Statement by the President on the Ukraine Freedom Support Act

Today, I have signed H.R. 5859, the Ukraine Freedom Support Act of 2014, into law.

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

Obama Expands Monsanto Doctrine By Signing DARK Act And Invalidating Vermont GMO Labeling Law

In a stark demonstration of the power of the agrochemical industry to dictate the terms of our nation’s food safety system, President Obama recently igno...

www.huffpost.com

The Wedding That Became a Funeral: U.S. Still Silent One Year on From Deadly Yemen Drone Strike - Newsweek

A drone strike on a wedding convoy killed 12, but the U.S. refuses to acknowledge civilian deaths

www.newsweek.com

Having the (d) is what matters THE MOST right now, more than just about anything else because that is what is needed to give them the majority. Without the majority they cannot do anything at all except sit helplessly by while Republicans make everything so much worse.

Posting a bunch of links showing the failings of democrats still does not somehow make them worse than Republicans, or remove what they did that saved lives. I have never said they have done everything right. They just do much more right than republicans do, when you weigh the good and bad from both parties, the republicans make the democrats look like saints in comparison and you would think that would be hard to do considering how much wrong the democrats have done, but that is seriously how much more wrong the republicans do in comparison. Look at the pew research here, the data doesn't lie. Everything the democrats do wrong the republicans do so much worse.

Oh yea and on those drone strike deaths? Trump revoked the rule to report them so now you just don't get to know about them happening.

"Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths"

Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths

The US will not have to publish how many civilians are killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.

www.bbc.com

Trump’s brand of war is killing more civilians than before

Column: Trump's brand of war is killing more civilians than before

A new U.N. report on Afghanistan shows that U.S. and Afghan government forces have killed more civilians than the Taliban this year.

www.latimes.com

 

[lil devils x]

To be clear..
Democrats will take just about anyone at this point to get the majority of the Senate. and they are right to do this because the few blue dogs or whatever they pick up to gain the majority control over the house and senate will still not be the majority of the democratic party making the policy, they are just the " extra" pickups needed to beat the republicans out of seats. Dems should be taking the disenfranchised republicans just to gain control, and then still be able to outvote them after the fact. You have to look at the importance of this strategy to be able to get any policy through at all because they will not be able to penetrate the republican blockade of policy if they do not even have majority control.

Sure, it would be awesome if we could have progressives elected in very single district across the US, but the reality is the people who live in those districts get to decide who they elect, and often they elect a conservative because they are conservative and we cannot force them to choose someone we like instead. The choice we have is either accept who they elect or lose the seat and the majority control of congress. Losing the majority control of congress means we will go backwards instead on forwards on our hopes to see these changes enacted in our lifetime. Dems are smart to take whoever they can get in those districts. If you want that to change, you have to have enough people actually move to those districts who will elect someone you like, trying to force them to change is much more difficult because people are stubborn and choose to believe what they want to believe regardless of if it is self defeating or not. We have to take what we can get at this point because something is still better than nothing.

EDIT: And yea, the Military industrial complex has their tentacles into everything and desperately needs to be dismantled, however, at this time, we are not likely to get a candidate willing to do that into office due to the sheer amount of power and money supporting it at this time. The only way I see that happening is slowly over time one seat at a time in congress and it will be a difficult battle every single time until we eventually have enough people willing to act. I do not see that happening in the near future at this point. Although it should also be noted that more republicans are supported by the military industrial complex than democrats, but yea they are still quite powerful in both parties. That too is something that is much worse under republicans, but not nonexistent under democrats.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Having the (d) is what matters THE MOST right now, more than just about anything else because that is what is needed to give them the majority. Without the majority they cannot do anything at all except sit helplessly by while Republicans make everything so much worse.

Posting a bunch of links showing the failings of democrats still does not somehow make them worse than Republicans, or remove what they did that saved lives. I have never said they have done everything right. They just do much more right than republicans do, when you weigh the good and bad from both parties, the republicans make the democrats look like saints in comparison and you would think that would be hard to do considering how much wrong the democrats have done, but that is seriously how much more wrong the republicans do in comparison. Look at the pew research here, the data doesn't lie. Everything the democrats do wrong the republicans do so much worse.

Oh yea and on those drone strike deaths? Trump revoked the rule to report them so now you just don't get to know about them happening.

snip

My point here is that this escalated under Democrats from the Bush years. The 2006 and 2008 elections brought in a rush of Democrats who proceeded to be Republicans, thus they made things worse. Giving the DNC the majority does not help. It just doesn't. I could just as easily show some useful and good Republican led initiatives to show they're not always bad too, but you know damn well that doesn't matter in the face of the wrong they do.

My point is I don't care what few crumbs the DNC sprinkles out, electing Republicans (D) is no help. If you want to talk about the Supreme court for example,

Sandra Day O'Connor
Antonin Scalia
Clarence Thomas (with bonus Anita Hill)

I have no faith that he would pick someone better than Trump.

To be clear..
Democrats will take just about anyone at this point to get the majority of the Senate. and they are right to do this because the few blue dogs or whatever they pick up to gain the majority control over the house and senate will still not be the majority of the democratic party making the policy, they are just the " extra" pickups needed to beat the republicans out of seats. Dems should be taking the disenfranchised republicans just to gain control, and then still be able to outvote them after the fact. You have to look at the importance of this strategy to be able to get any policy through at all because they will not be able to penetrate the republican blockade of policy if they do not even have majority control.

Sure, it would be awesome if we could have progressives elected in very single district across the US, but the reality is the people who live in those districts get to decide who they elect, and often they elect a conservative because they are conservative and we cannot force them to choose someone we like instead. The choice we have is either except who they elect or lose the seat and the majority control of congress. Losing the majority control of congress means we will go backwards instead on forwards on our hopes to see these changes enacted in our lifetime. Dems are smart to take whoever they can get in those districts. If you want that to change, you have to have enough people actually move to those districts who will elect someone you like, trying to force them to change is much more difficult because people are stubborn and choose to believe what they want to believe regardless of if it is self defeating or not. We have to take what we can get at this point because something is still better than nothing.

That happened in 2006. The Democrats (R) voted in lockstep with the Republicans, because they're Republicans. That's why it's useless to vote blue no matter who.

 

[lil devils x]

My point here is that this escalated under Democrats from the Bush years. The 2006 and 2008 elections brought in a rush of Democrats who proceeded to be Republicans, thus they made things worse. Giving the DNC the majority does not help. It just doesn't. I could just as easily show some useful and good Republican led initiatives to show they're not always bad too, but you know damn well that doesn't matter in the face of the wrong they do.

My point is I don't care what few crumbs the DNC sprinkles out, electing Republicans (D) is no help. If you want to talk about the Supreme court for example,

Sandra Day O'Connor
Antonin Scalia
Clarence Thomas (with bonus Anita Hill)

I have no faith that he would pick someone better than Trump.



That happened in 2006. The Democrats (R) voted in lockstep with the Republicans, because they're Republicans. That's why it's useless to vote blue no matter who.

The difference is the crumbs save lives. You are essentially saying that you do not care what happens to the people who will die if they do not receive these " crumbs" because you are not getting everything you want. To me, trying to get anything we can to help those who will perish now is more important because if we do not, they will not be here when they finally come around to doing what I really want them to do. The day Biden decided to run, I made it pretty clear on here that I wished he hadn't run. I am not even sure if I can find anything nice to say about Biden except that he is not as bad as Trump. Due to how much damage Trump has actually done already and how much worse this will actually get under Trump before the end and how many more people will die that should not have, I will take Biden over him any day. Yes it is sad. Yes it sucks. But the alternative is so much worse.

You are saying that Trump would have put Sonia Sotomayor or Elena Kagan or Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court? I think not. Yes, voting blue no matter who at this point is what has to happen. Once we have enough blue it isn't a concern, we can start challenging the seats and pushing it further progressive. You do know you have to get the voters in that region for the seats we want to agree with progressive policies before you can get them to vote that way right? Just try and convince these people here that are spreading nonsense on facebook that compare Bernie to a Nazi that they should vote for him and that his polices make sense. Go ahead and try it in regions where the people who think like this are still the majority and see how well it goes for you. Even the Never trumpers who hate Trump won't vote for Bernie no matter how much I like him. We need to own the seat first then we can start easing these hold out districts into changing slowly. Oh an FYI, The makeup of the democrats now are more progressive than they were under the Bush years. The platform has changed and their policies have changed for the better. Republicans however, have changed for the worse. You have to look at what both parties are now. People have died, lost seats and changed policies. Bernie has already changed the party for the better and we need to let it change further rather than hold them back by blocking them with Republican majority control.

Why do you think Bernie is telling you and everyone else how important it is to vote for Biden right now if it wasn't really that important?

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The difference is the crumbs save lives. You are essentially saying that you do not care what happens to the people who will die if they do not receive these " crumbs" because you are not getting everything you want. To me, trying to get anything we can to help those who will perish now is more important because if we do not, they will not be here when they finally come around to doing what I really want them to do. The day Biden decided to run, I made it pretty clear on here that I wished he hadn't run. I am not even sure if I can find anything nice to say about Biden except that he is not as bad as Trump. Due to how much damage Trump has actually done already and how much worse this will actually get under Trump before the end and how many more people will die that should not have, I will take Biden over him any day. Yes it is sad. Yes it sucks. But the alternative is so much worse.

You are saying that Trump would have put Sonia Sotomayor or Elena Kagan or Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court? I think not. Yes, voting blue no matter who at this point is what has to happen. Once we have enough blue it isn't a concern, we can start challenging the seats and pushing it further progressive. You do know you have to get the voters in that region for the seats we want to agree with progressive policies before you can get them to vote that way right? Just try and convince these people here that are spreading nonsense on facebook that compare Bernie to a Nazi that they should vote for him and that his polcies make sense. Go ahead and try it in regions where the people who think like this are still the majority and see how well it goes for you. We need the majority seats, THEN we can work on easing these hold out districts into changing slowly.

Oh man, let's talk about all those life saving drone strikes! How about those 5 wars! Entire countries overthrown! Let's talk about the people left out of the Republican healthcare initiative they installed! We can tally up the kill count to solve this trolley problem! And I'd say Biden is worse than Trump, we've had him for 50 some odd years to prove he's a Republican slimeball.

Oh man, calling Bernie a Nazi? Who would do that?!

Chris Matthews faces calls for resignation after comparing Sanders victory to Nazi invasion

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews is under fire after comparing Sen. Bernie Sanders’s (I-Vt.) decisive win in the Nevada caucuses to the Nazi invasion of France in 1940, with some on social m…

thehill.com

Liberal pundits on the most DNC loyal channel. Our friends, ladies and gentleman. The kind of people you want to elect.

The Plutocracy Strikes Back: CNN Compares Bernie Sanders to Coronavirus

When I was young, people used to rail against plutocracy, and you always thought they were a bit kooky. But now I don't know what else you would call the United States.

www.commondreams.org

Voting blue no matter who puts the government in Republican control. This already happened once, I saw it happen, you're not ever going to convince me that it wouldn't happen again when it's literally the same people. I honestly don't care when you post Republicans doing this or that awful thing in defense of electing Republicans. They are not my friends. They are not your friends. They're not anyone's friends unless they have at least a 6 figure bank account. Just because they have a D next to your name doesn't make things better. Then they're harder to dislodge since the DNC has an iron-fisted control of the party.

They need to be gone, all of them, without exception. Everyone tied with Obama, every Republican swept in 2006, Nancy and Chuck two, the absolute worst human beings. As long as they still control the DNC, it's not my party, and I won't vote for them. I have no reason to vote against my own interests.

 

[lil devils x]

Oh man, let's talk about all those life saving drone strikes! How about those 5 wars! Entire countries overthrown! Let's talk about the people left out of the Republican healthcare initiative they installed! We can tally up the kill count to solve this trolley problem! And I'd say Biden is worse than Trump, we've had him for 50 some odd years to prove he's a Republican slimeball.

Oh man, calling Bernie a Nazi? Who would do that?!

Chris Matthews faces calls for resignation after comparing Sanders victory to Nazi invasion

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews is under fire after comparing Sen. Bernie Sanders’s (I-Vt.) decisive win in the Nevada caucuses to the Nazi invasion of France in 1940, with some on social m…

thehill.com

Liberal pundits on the most DNC loyal channel. Our friends, ladies and gentleman. The kind of people you want to elect.

The Plutocracy Strikes Back: CNN Compares Bernie Sanders to Coronavirus

When I was young, people used to rail against plutocracy, and you always thought they were a bit kooky. But now I don't know what else you would call the United States.

www.commondreams.org

Voting blue no matter who puts the government in Republican control. This already happened once, I saw it happen, you're not ever going to convince me that it wouldn't happen again when it's literally the same people. I honestly don't care when you post Republicans doing this or that awful thing in defense of electing Republicans. They are not my friends. They are not your friends. They're not anyone's friends unless they have at least a 6 figure bank account. Just because they have a D next to your name doesn't make things better. Then they're harder to dislodge since the DNC has an iron-fisted control of the party.

They need to be gone, all of them, without exception. Everyone tied with Obama, every Republican swept in 2006, Nancy and Chuck two, the absolute worst human beings. As long as they still control the DNC, it's not my party, and I won't vote for them. I have no reason to vote against my own interests.

You are just doing what I stated above ( again). Have I ever said that Democrats haven't done anything wrong? I may have actually complained more about things democrats have done more than republicans because we EXPECT the republicans to do bad shit so we have to call out democrats when they do it to prevent them FROM BECOMING AS BAD AS REPUBLICANS. They still are not as bad as republicans though. That is the point here. Showing all these bad things democrats have done in the past STILL does not make it more than republicans. It doesn't take away the good done by Democrats such as the lives saved by the ACA, medicaid expansion, Food, medicine, housing distribution to the poor, expansion of unemployment benefits.

BTW, DNC party leadership has already been changing, we change it one seat at a time, progressives have been gaining ground, and will gain ground faster the more progressive candidates we can get elected. Every seat does matter, but without majority none of their gains matter at all. I have no idea how you can call Chuck and Nancy the worst while we have Don and Mitch still in control. You can't really get worse than Don and Mitch, I do not think that is possible. The aging control over the DNC will eventually have to relinquish to the younger progressives taking over, just give it time. In the meantime, we still need to mitigate the damage done and ensure there is something left to take over when the time comes. Your " burn the house down" methods would only ensure that there is nothing left for anyone as those you were trying to save will not survive under republican policies while waiting for the Democrats to rebuild. Who is medicare for all supposed to help if they make sure they kill off all the sick and poor with GOP policies before it can even be implemented?

You are voting against your interests if you let Mitch and Don maintain their control over the country.

Bernie's plan to shift the democrats over time one seat at a time is still the best method. He is still right that we should vote for Biden so that we will be able to continue to do that. You would think that if his supporters were smart enough to support him, they would also be smart enough to understand why he wants you to support Biden as well to be able to make the changes Bernie still wants to make.

AND BTW, you do realize that prior to supporting Obama, Chris Matthews supported republicans as well. Hell I repeatedly said CNN helped get Trump elected. Mainstream media in the US is still very conservative. that should be a surprise to no one.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

You are just doing what I stated above ( again). Have I ever said that Democrats haven't done anything wrong? I may have actually complained more about things democrats have done more than republicans because we EXPECT the republicans to do bad shit so we have to call out democrats when they do it to prevent them FROM BECOMING AS BAD AS REPUBLICANS. They still are not as bad as republicans though. That is the point here. Showing all these bad things democrats have done in the past STILL does not make it more than republicans. It doesn't take away the good done by Democrats such as the lives saved by the ACA, medicaid expansion, Food, medicine, housing distribution to the poor, expansion of unemployment benefits.

BTW, DNC party leadership has already been changing, we change it one seat at a time, progressives have been gaining ground, and will gain ground faster the more progressive candidates we can get elected. Every seat does matter, but without majority none of their gains matter at all. I have no idea how you can call Chuck and Nancy the worst while we have Don and Mitch still in control. You can't really get worse than Don and Mitch, I do not think that is possible. The aging control over the DNC will eventually have to relinquish to the younger progressives taking over, just give it time. In the meantime, we still need to mitigate the damage done and ensure there is something left to take over when the time comes. Your " burn the house down" methods would only ensure that there is nothing left for anyone as those you were trying to save will not survive under republican policies while waiting for the Democrats to rebuild. Who is medicare for all supposed to help if they make sure they kill off all the sick and poor with GOP policies before it can even be implemented?

You are voting against your interests if you let Mitch and Don maintain their control over the country.

Bernie's plan to shift the democrats over time one seat at a time is still the best method. He is still right that we should vote for Biden so that we will be able to continue to do that.

I categorically disagree, the quickest way to oust the Dem leadership is to take away their incumbency. As a bonus, we'll stop having war crimes tied to the (D). And rapes, that'd be good too, to not have a rapist (D) in the news cycle.

Because I disagree that the Dems as they are are an alternative to the Republicans. They escalate. Biden would just push what Trump's doing, who's pushing what Obama did, who pushed what Bush did, who pushed what Clinton did. I'm not going to vote for someone unless I think they'll actually apply a brake to this nonsense.