Biden helps avert railway strike.
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Obviously in his version of reality, if you give sick days, workers will just take every day as a sick day and never work again. I don't want to say he's a fucking idiot, so I will just heavily imply it.
Guy is either an elaborate troll or born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Or both!
So, person A has a cold and keeps coughing everywhere. Now, it's just a bit of a cough, and there's no way person A is going to end the week $600 dollars down because he's got a bit of a cough. So person A goes to work. Person B, who works next to person A, does not have a cough (yet). But person B does have a child at home with a long-term respiratory illness (let's say CF). But person B isn't sick (yet) so person B can't be off work! The only person allowed to be off work is person A, but that's not going to happen if person A has to give up $600 when he could just knuckle down and get on with things (while coughing).
And now the child is back in hospital with a chest infection.
Edit: this is just an example of why you need paid sick leave; there doesn't need to be an ill child involved for people to be treated fairly by their employers.
And now the child is back in hospital with a chest infection.
Edit: this is just an example of why you need paid sick leave; there doesn't need to be an ill child involved for people to be treated fairly by their employers.
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The people arguing with you have almost certainly never worked the type of job where you don't get paid for days off.
Every single job I've had, I don't get paid for not showing up regardless of the reason. Any job that's going to be giving a person paid sick days is already going to be paying enough to give a living wage to begin with, even if they didn't pay for sick days. The typical 9 to 5 job where you get paid for the hours you work? I've never even heard of an hourly job that gives you paid sick days off much less worked at one.
As though I ever said workers will just take every day as a paid sick day. Nice strawman argument.
I'm self-employed, I don't get paid for days off. You might want to dial back that certainty a little bit.
Alright, you wanna claim strawman. Explain your original meaning behind the statement
"It is literally getting paid for doing nothing. If I'd known that was an option I'd be set for life before I graduated high school."
I am eager to see how you worm your way back down from that. Or did the troll handbook teach you words like strawman, without the context of when to use them?
A) Your quip doesn't work, because I literally said "almost".
B) You might still work the type of job that people get paid for days off. Being self-employed is not enough information to judge that from, and while you might not be getting paid by anyone while not working, it could be the type of job that people who aren't self-employed would get PTO from. Paid time off usually goes with jobs where you are being paid to be responsible for something rather than being paid for the direct output of your labor, and there's a good chance a self-employed person falls into the "paid for responsibility" category.
To put this in thread context, that's really the problem the rail workers were having: being compensated as laborers responsible only for their work, but being treated like salaried employees who carry responsibility for functions.
(A) It's not a quip, just a statement of fact. Your 'almost certainly' is definitely wrong. Would it be reasonable to say I'm almost certainly six foot tall if I was actually five foot tall? Would you take the statement 'almost certainly six foot tall' to mean 'actually six foot tall or very close' or 'actually five foot tall'?
(B) It could be all sorts of things, but it isn't. You made a statement with a level of surety you shouldn't have because you know less than you think you know. That's all there is to it.
A) No, you'd have to be an idiot to read "I'm almost certainly 6 feet tall" as the statement "I am 6 ft tall". It's noticeably deliberately phrased to keep open the possibility that you aren't.
B) You haven't actually disputed my claim yet, you have not even said if you work the type of job that gets paid time off. I don't need all the details of your work, but if you were doing the same thing but employed by a company, would you expect paid time off?
(A) No, you'd have to accept a small margin of error because it's a measurement on a scale, whereas your case is a binary gets sick pay/does not get sick pay so the error isn't one of scale. If someone said 'I'm almost certainly six foot tall' and they were 5'11" you would accept it. If they were 5'0" you would call them a liar. You tried to lend certainty to your statement but without knowing enough. That's all that happened, there's no need to get in a twist about it.
(B) Yes, because I live in the UK. I don't know if I would get paid time off in the States. I have done many different jobs over the last 20 years: store work, factory work (packing), warehouse work (picking), postal service, banking, project management, and then my current role. I got sick pay in all of them apart from my current role.
No, luckily I have not. Because again, my great grandfathers and countless workers before me fought bloody hard to enshrine these things into law. To make them ingrained in fabric of working life as essential to the well being of employees. And in return for these hard won benefits, employers get a workforce that will actually be very willing to the extra mile for them because they know they're covered if they trip and fall.
In civilized countries, paid time off is an acknowledgement of the two way nature of the relationship between worker and employer.
As such, anyone who signs a contract for part time or full time work, is entitled to paid time off, regardless of position. If you commit to an employer, the employer mirrors that commitment with vacation time, sick days and superannuation.
As such, anyone who signs a contract for part time or full time work, is entitled to paid time off, regardless of position. If you commit to an employer, the employer mirrors that commitment with vacation time, sick days and superannuation.
For my own sanity, I'm going with Option A and just no longer engaging because the thought that someone loves corporations so much to argue that a most basic benefit that every first world country in the world (besides the US of course) guarantees it physically hurts my brain. There is zero reason to engage as it's an elaborate troll job (so they're messing with us) or they've licking boot so hard that they've gone through it and hit foot, in which case it's not worth the effort to convince them otherwise.
I have come to the conclusion that you just really enjoy being wrong, because you're so damn good at it.
I've had it hard getting fucked over by corporations so everyone else has to have it hard too
There are a lot of issues with this mentality as for some reason in the last few generations, at least enough people have decided that "making it so my children don't have to suffer like we did" became "I had to suffer so you do too"
I've worked in both kinds of jobs: hourly wage jobs where you're paid solely for the time you do (often zero-hour or short-term contracts with little job security and little pay) and salaried positions where you receive the same monthly/annual wage whether or not you were sick for a few days.
The former were, without exception, worse. Poor management, late hours, positions taken only because of immediate need and without any interest in investing in workers or getting them to stay. Mostly staffed by people who had no available alternative.
The latter were the places with the better motivated workforce and less staff turnover. Obviously, once I moved into a salaried position where I wasn't penalised for being unwell, I never moved back. Because why the fuck would I?
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