Biden's Healthcare plan: Despite the rumors, yes, it is actually CENTERED around the public option.

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From 3 days ago:
Read more on Biden's site:
Read the details here:

"Joe Biden has a health care plan that, while not going nearly as far as ā€œMedicare for allā€ in initiating a single big-bang transformation of the American health care system, would nonetheless, if implemented, arguably be the most dramatic piece of new social legislation since the Great Society.

Interestingly, both due to the contrast with the even more dramatic plans endorsed by some of his rivals and the political imperative to brandish his relationship with Barack Obama, Biden’s rhetoric around his plan underplays exactly how big of a deal it would be. "

"But the form of public option described in a fact sheet about the plan that the Biden campaign released to reporters is considerably more ambitious than the public option that was considered — and ultimately rejected — by congressional Democrats during the ACA debate.

Not coincidentally, while health care provider groups generally liked Obamacare (more people with health insurance meant more customers), the main industry group that was founded to oppose Medicare-for-all also blasted Biden’s proposal Monday morning, saying it would ā€œultimately lead our nation down the path of a one-size-fits-all health care system run by Washington.ā€

The main difference between Biden’s plan and Medicare-for-all is a BidenCare transition that would be more gradual and much less costly in terms of explicit tax increases. That likely makes it more politically palatable (though still almost certainly unrealistic in terms of congressional politics) but also much less likely to deliver some of the simplification and cost containment benefits of Medicare-for-all.

All told, however, both Biden and his more progressive rivals are somewhat downplaying exactly how much more left wing than the ACA this idea is — while the industry groups, facing a different set of incentives, are having a more telling reaction.

BidenCare is not Medicare-for-all, but make no mistake, if it were somehow to happen, it would be a really big deal."
Highlights:
1)"Whether you’re covered through your employer, buying your insurance on your own, or going without coverage altogether, the Biden Plan will give you the choice to purchase a public health insurance option like Medicare.ā€

2)Biden is promising to unleash that same bargaining power on behalf of a public option available to all Americans — which should generate an insurance option that is cheaper for patients and stingier to providers.

3)By using Medicare purchasing power, the public option would deliver lower premiums, which would make it a very attractive option for all kinds of people who currently have private insurance. Nobody would be ā€œforcedā€ onto the public plan, but in practice lots of people would opt for it.

4)The ACA guarantees that preventative health care services must be provided with no patient cost-sharing, Biden proposes to make this whole scheme more generous across several dimensions, first by switching to the use of ā€œgoldā€ plans as the benchmark (meaning lower deductibles and copayments), second by making subsidies more generous across the board by reducing the share of family income that’s supposed to go to premiums, and third by eliminating the cap on financial assistance so even more comfortable families would get at least some help from the government.

**This means more people will qualify for the " subsidy loopholes" i discussed earlier on another thread, and they will receive more funding than is currently made available**

5) It avoids middle-class tax hikes, addresses patients’ core complaint about the ACA, but instead is more generous in this way can be paid for through higher capital gains taxes on the rich.

6) A crackdown on pharmaceutical pricing and surprise medical billing:
Biden proposes a whole suite of measures to reduce prices, including allowing Medicare to negotiate bulk purchasing discounts, allowing consumers to buy cheap drugs from foreign countries that impose price controls, capping drug price increases at the overall rate of inflation, and a number of ideas designed to spur increased production of generic competition for out-of-patent medications.

A new rule that would bar providers from charging out-of-network rates in situations (like emergency surgery) when a patient has no choice over which provider she sees. Biden also promises to engage in more vigorous enforcement of existing antitrust legislation in order to block provider concentration to bring prices down and end surprise medical billing.

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By providing the public option available to all and in direct competition with Insurers, we are pretty much taking the same route Germany did to run insurers out of the market and gradually shift the population into a single payer system. You can expect to have to put up one hell of a fight to make it happen though as insurers and pharma are not going to take this lying down and you are pretty much guaranteed the unfounded rumors going around spreading nonsense about it likely are being started by those who are in their pocket as it is. This plan would be a massive improvement over what we have right now, and plugs many of the holes that were not filled when the ACA was initially passed. That is also why I see it taking one hell of a fight in congress to get it passed. It isn't happening unless democrats can obtain a supermajority in congress long enough to pass it though.
 
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By providing the public option available to all and in direct competition with Insurers, we are pretty much taking the same route Germany did to run insurers out of the market and gradually shift the population into a single payer system. You can expect to have to put up one hell of a fight to make it happen though as insurers and pharma are not going to take this lying down and you are pretty much guaranteed the unfounded rumors going around spreading nonsense about it likely are being started by those who are in their pocket as it is. This plan would be a massive improvement over what we have right now, and plugs many of the holes that were not filled when the ACA was initially passed. That is also why I see it taking one hell of a fight in congress to get it passed. It isn't happening unless democrats can obtain a supermajority in congress long enough to pass it though.
Do you think the people who profess to be the only ones fighting the system will fight for this at all?
 

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Do you think the people who profess to be the only ones fighting the system will fight for this at all?
I am sure Bernie, Warren and other progressives in Congress will fight for this. As for the people willing to jump on whatever rumor of the day floating about at the time, Who knows. People fight against their own self interests all the time, even if they actually agree with the plan, they often do not even realize what the plan actually does for them.
 

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I am sure Bernie, Warren and other progressives in Congress will fight for this. As for the people willing to jump on whatever rumor of the day floating about at the time, Who knows. People fight against their own self interests all the time, even if they actually agree with the plan, they often do not even realize what the plan actually does for them.
Admittedly, I'm a little dejected seeing so many ostensible progressives behaving like alt-right thugs.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Sounds decent, but we still need to not only get him in the white house but also get republicans out of the senate and keep them from the house.
 

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This article was written on Jul 16, 2019...
Man, I was gettin all excited that maybe, just maybe, Biden might be trying to do something helpful. While it wasn't M4A, I'd have at least looked more into it and tried to consider it as "close enough" to roll with.

I should have known that it was too good to be true...
 
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Man, I was gettin all excited that maybe, just maybe, Biden might be trying to do something helpful. While it wasn't M4A, I'd have at least looked more into it and tried to consider it as "close enough" to roll with.

I should have known that it was too good to be true...
Somehow I am not buying that you got excited. His plan is still the same according to what Biden is telling people a few nights ago as well as on his own site:
You can still look more into the actual plan here instead of taking the word of " apocalypse soon" and " reading between the lines" nonsense. Biden hasn't stopped telling us he is passing a public option. His for profit healthcare donors are the ones telling us he should do otherwise. That isn't the same as him not doing so.

This article is from 3 days ago, and YES it is still centered on the public option:
EVERYTHING posted in the OP above is still in it here.
 

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This article is from 3 days ago, and YES it is still centered on the public option:
EVERYTHING posted in the OP above is still in it here.
Unfortunately, that's not enough for the all-or-nothing crowd. Which wouldn't be as bad if there weren't millions of people who are going to get stuck on the business end of nothing.
 

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This article was written on Jul 16, 2019...

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Biden's reforms are ONLY dead on arrival if people do not come out and vote to flip the Senate and keep the house. If people fail to vote democrat this round, of course they will be dead. For profit healthcare lobbyist also claimed the ACA was dead on arrival and that happened as well. This is no different. These reforms are actually EASIER to pass than the ACA was. EVERYTHING in the OP is still in his plan BTW, Why don't you read his plan on his site, not from sites focusing on the coming apocalypse.
 
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Unfortunately, that's not enough for the all-or-nothing crowd. Which wouldn't be as bad if there weren't millions of people who are going to get stuck on the business end of nothing.
That is just it though, they keep insisting on believing whatever speculation and " reading between the lines" nonsense instead of reading the plans themselves. It makes no sense at all. No matter how many times they are told "this is what it is" they insist " It can't be True". Just trying to wrap my head around why they are so quick and wiling to believe the " between the lines" crap instead of looking at what they actually have here. IT STILL has everything in the OP, Biden is out making promises to disabled people about the public option THIS WEEK and somehow they believe this other nonsense instead every single time it comes up.

We can expect everyone and their dog to be out trying to bash this, because for profit insurers and pharma are going to fight tooth and nail to stop it. Republicans are going to fight to stop it and even the far left is trying to stop it because they want to only do it their way or not at all. If people don't start going straight to the source here, instead of believing every speculation article out there instead, they are going to have no clue what is actually going on and this just started. By the time November comes around, we are going to have a repeat of being in a sea of misinformation and everyone ignoring what the actual plans are again.
 

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That is just it though, they keep insisting on believing whatever speculation and " reading between the lines" nonsense instead of reading the plans themselves. It makes no sense at all. No matter how many times they are told "this is what it is" they insist " It can't be True". Just trying to wrap my head around why they are so quick and wiling to believe the " between the lines" crap instead of looking at what they actually have here. IT STILL has everything in the OP, Biden is out making promises to disabled people about the public option THIS WEEK and somehow they believe this other nonsense instead every single time it comes up.
For the same reason that conspiracy theorists believe all contradictory evidence is proof of a cover-up. It's ego-driven. They want to be right, even if they're incorrect.
 

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What part of :
In his new plan released on Monday, Biden proposes adding a ā€œMedicare-likeā€ public option that would serve as an option for consumers to receive health insurance. Americans would also be able to choose their own private insurance and would now only spend a lower income rate to obtain it.

Biden campaign officials say the health care plan serves as a transitional piece of legislation that could pave the path to a Medicare-for-All single payer system in the future.

Don't people understand. This is the next logical step to achieve M4A and even that doesn't seem to sink in here..

Did they not EXPECT Insurers and Pharma to fight back? Of course they are. That doesn't change Biden's plan though.

 
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And what part of Biden offering a medicare like Public option to every American is difficult to understand? Biden's entire plan is centered around it.

Thi is somehow bad considering people didn't expect it at all?
Biden campaign officials say the health care plan serves as a transitional piece of legislation that could pave the path to a Medicare-for-All single payer system in the future.
Him not forcing people into it as M4A does as a transition isn't a bad thing here. They STILL have the option however. That is an excellent Second Step. The first step was the ACA. AS more shift to the public option, we can work out the kinks and it will run insurers out of business while we do.
 
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Man, I was gettin all excited that maybe, just maybe, Biden might be trying to do something helpful. While it wasn't M4A, I'd have at least looked more into it and tried to consider it as "close enough" to roll with.

I should have known that it was too good to be true...
"Current events" that happened a year ago and are now out of date.
 

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Did they not EXPECT Insurers and Pharma to fight back? Of course they are. That doesn't change Biden's plan though.
I think they did expect it. Many of them just gave up and decided not to fight back in favor of playing Cassandra. Because that's way fucking easier than fighting.
 

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"Current events" that happened a year ago and are now out of date.
I just posted from 3 dys ago. Want that one added to the OP? Ok Done. I also linked Biden's site that he updated Monday. Everything in the OP still applies FYI. Lobbyists running attack ads during the DNC does not somehow change what his plan is here. I have no idea why people think what other people have said somehow changes his plan here. It hasn't. Not as of yet. Biden telling people a few days ago that he is fighting for the Public Option does not mean that he isn't supporting it btw. Biden hasn't changed his plan, I have no idea why people are saying that " they had their hopes up but.." when nothing has actually changed to affect that except the attacks from the industry have begun. What were they expecting to happen? Does anyone think that Biden wasn't expecting the attacks?? Of course he was. That hasn't changed anything however.
 
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Oh right, he wants the individual mandate back.

He'll veto M4A, a program popular with democrats and independents, along with a sizable chunk of republicans, but he'll put the individual mandate back in which is unpopular with everyone because it is an awful awful idea.
 

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Biden's reforms are ONLY dead on arrival if people do not come out and vote to flip the Senate and keep the house. If people fail to vote democrat this round, of course they will be dead. For profit healthcare lobbyist also claimed the ACA was dead on arrival and that happened as well. This is no different. These reforms are actually EASIER to pass than the ACA was. EVERYTHING in the OP is still in his plan BTW, Why don't you read his plan on his site, not from sites focusing on the coming apocalypse.
Obama ran on closing GTMO, and it's still here public option, and yet it's nowhere to be found because his "mentor" Joe Lieberman voted no on it, and he was too chickenshit to invoke budget reconciliation or end the fillerbuster , he ran on ending the wars but started new wars.

In fact, I have a whole list of his broken promises.