Big Boobs- why do people complain?
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No, Women are not being treated differently from Men just by giving them a larger than average breast size. Your attempt to automatically equate attractiveness with a lack of intelligence or other positive traits would be a strawman argument, were it not for the fact that you actually exist. Protagonists are generally sex objects in addition to all their other positive traits. Batman, Spiderman, Dante, Leon Kennedy- all physically attractive. Being a sex objective is just one of many positive traits they have. Secondly, having a large breasted female character be well designed and intelligent isn't exactly rare. Tifa Lockheart is one of the more well known examples.dunam said:
Those counter-arguments would work if someone was arguing that it was morally wrong to be attracted to big breasts, or that having them would be morally wrong.RelexCryo said:
Which is not what most critisism of big breasts in video-games is about, it's about people creating characters like that, and the number of female characters that exist merely for fanservice.
My reason for not liking them? They look ugly and usually really weird. And it would be nice having female characters that aren't overly-sexualised (I don't like this in males either, but the ratio of pure fanservice/over-all well written characters is way higher in females.)
Not to mention running around and jumping, if jiggle-physics are involved, with those look very painful. I suspect it's a bit same than men seeing other men being hit in the balls, it makes me feel bad.
I like boobs, but abnormally large are not attractive to me. Or characters wearing too revealing clothing. Quite often dressing up practically looks hotter to me anyway.
Is it nice up there, OP, on your high horse?
Everything you've said, I could quite easily counter, but your question arises from the fact that YOU specifically are not offended by large breasts in video games. You not understanding doesn't make it wrong to be offended, and your 'arguments' fail to dop anything but emphasise that you cannot even understand WHY it could be construed as offensive, regardless or whether you yourself are offended.
Some women will find it offensive, some men will find it offensive, I'm not saying that they're right or wrong, but the whole premise of your thread basically says, "I am right, you are wrong to be offended." Well, no, because people are entitled to be offended by whatever they please. Writing a thread about it isn't going to change anything.
For the record, I'm a female and vocal feminist, but I don't find the breasts to be offensive. I DO think it objectifies women, but it's not just video games (which need to be marketable to a certain demographic - at least until more areas of the population take up gaming as a hobby), the mainstream media is more of a problem than video games. I think it's bad taste on the designers' and producers' part, but that's not going to change anything. As men will be objectified by having rippling chest muscles, women will be objectified by their breasts. The difference is that it tends to be young, immatrue, horny male gamers the companies are trying to appeal to, as they still seem to be under the impression that there are no female gamers.
Idealised males appeal to other males who would want to be like said characters, women with large breasts appeal on a sexual level. So it's not that men aren't necessarily objectified and women are, it's that one is objectified in a 'I want to be him' way, the other in a 'I want to do her way'.
You see the double standards? That's part of the problem.
Everything you've said, I could quite easily counter, but your question arises from the fact that YOU specifically are not offended by large breasts in video games. You not understanding doesn't make it wrong to be offended, and your 'arguments' fail to dop anything but emphasise that you cannot even understand WHY it could be construed as offensive, regardless or whether you yourself are offended.
Some women will find it offensive, some men will find it offensive, I'm not saying that they're right or wrong, but the whole premise of your thread basically says, "I am right, you are wrong to be offended." Well, no, because people are entitled to be offended by whatever they please. Writing a thread about it isn't going to change anything.
For the record, I'm a female and vocal feminist, but I don't find the breasts to be offensive. I DO think it objectifies women, but it's not just video games (which need to be marketable to a certain demographic - at least until more areas of the population take up gaming as a hobby), the mainstream media is more of a problem than video games. I think it's bad taste on the designers' and producers' part, but that's not going to change anything. As men will be objectified by having rippling chest muscles, women will be objectified by their breasts. The difference is that it tends to be young, immatrue, horny male gamers the companies are trying to appeal to, as they still seem to be under the impression that there are no female gamers.
Idealised males appeal to other males who would want to be like said characters, women with large breasts appeal on a sexual level. So it's not that men aren't necessarily objectified and women are, it's that one is objectified in a 'I want to be him' way, the other in a 'I want to do her way'.
You see the double standards? That's part of the problem.
I have asked others to list their objections so I could understand their opinions. Your response seems to be "Because idealised men are designed to appeal to men, whereas idealised women are also designed to appeal to men, which is not fair."Rachel317 said:
If there is a lack of fanservice to women, that is a serious problem. It doesn't mean that fanservice for men is morally wrong, which is why I don't understand the objections to big breasts in games.
Moreover, what do you think an idealised woman that women would want to be like would look like?
This is going to sound... odd.
I can't stand implants. I think they look absolutely fucking horrible.
It just so happens that the vast, vast majority of well-endowed female videogame characters look like they've got fake breasts. For whatever reason, devs seem unable to replicate the physical behavior of naturally large breasts. Even games that pride themselves on the boobies, like DOA, do an extremely bad job of mimicking the real deal.
So I guess my reason for disliking most boobs in games is the same reason I dislike a lot of boobs in real life: they're not fucking real.
It's not exactly a double standard either, because I can't stand roided out male protagonists either. Lean, useful muscle? Good deal. Biceps that would clearly interfere with day to day activities like sprinting and fitting through doorways? Idiotic.
I can't stand implants. I think they look absolutely fucking horrible.
It just so happens that the vast, vast majority of well-endowed female videogame characters look like they've got fake breasts. For whatever reason, devs seem unable to replicate the physical behavior of naturally large breasts. Even games that pride themselves on the boobies, like DOA, do an extremely bad job of mimicking the real deal.
So I guess my reason for disliking most boobs in games is the same reason I dislike a lot of boobs in real life: they're not fucking real.
It's not exactly a double standard either, because I can't stand roided out male protagonists either. Lean, useful muscle? Good deal. Biceps that would clearly interfere with day to day activities like sprinting and fitting through doorways? Idiotic.
Because people are sensitive and complain about anything they can.
Who cares if men are over masculinized and have chiseled bodies with no hair!? That woman has big breasts and that's sexist! Rawr rawr fnar fnar! And you can't be sexist against men, at least that's what the media leads me to believe.
^Just nonsense that I feel people seem to fill their heads with.
Who cares if men are over masculinized and have chiseled bodies with no hair!? That woman has big breasts and that's sexist! Rawr rawr fnar fnar! And you can't be sexist against men, at least that's what the media leads me to believe.
^Just nonsense that I feel people seem to fill their heads with.
Because people want something to complain about. And it's easier to blame the lack of good female characters on big breasts than it is to think over writing, gender roles and stereotypes.
That said, of course there's such a thing as too much, Ivy in her fourth iteration have breasts the size of her head, held up by a small piece of string.
And let's not even get started on the DoA series. That's my taste anyway. Some people like F-cups "covered" with floss, and they are free to buy DoA.
It's not wrong, developers see that people buy games where the plot boils down to essentially "Hey there's spectacular tits over here."
I'd say it's like porn really, you may think that it's bad for any number of reasons, but there's a market for it, and as long as people buys it someone will continue to produce it.
That said, of course there's such a thing as too much, Ivy in her fourth iteration have breasts the size of her head, held up by a small piece of string.
And let's not even get started on the DoA series. That's my taste anyway. Some people like F-cups "covered" with floss, and they are free to buy DoA.
It's not wrong, developers see that people buy games where the plot boils down to essentially "Hey there's spectacular tits over here."
I'd say it's like porn really, you may think that it's bad for any number of reasons, but there's a market for it, and as long as people buys it someone will continue to produce it.
big boobs aren't inherently bad. It's really just that like in Dragon Age, it's off-putting that all females have huge breasts. It's just not realistic and breaks immersion. I see a big boob and two things enter my mind
"Oh booobs!" but also
"Silly adolescent character designers."
The latter thought puts the credibility of the designers into a negative light.
In the case of Dragon Age, those boobs look very fake and that's sad, because it just doesn't fit in a fantasy world like that.
It's kinda similar to how in Animes, all the characters are all pretty but all look the same. It's just not very immersive to have such stuff thrown at you.
"Oh booobs!" but also
"Silly adolescent character designers."
The latter thought puts the credibility of the designers into a negative light.
In the case of Dragon Age, those boobs look very fake and that's sad, because it just doesn't fit in a fantasy world like that.
It's kinda similar to how in Animes, all the characters are all pretty but all look the same. It's just not very immersive to have such stuff thrown at you.
I dislike humongous breasts because I'm allergic to poor character design. I have to take pills for it or I die.
But having muscular men can be seen as enhancing their ability to fight in games. If you were playing as a skinny guy holding up a giant greastsword you would think it was ridiculous and would break immersion.RelexCryo said:
However large breasts on women doesn't add to their fighting prowess, in fact it would decrease it, as in reality they wouldn't be able to do loads of fighting moves without getting some serious back ache.
In reality, having giant muscles decreases your ability to fight. Our species evolved to fight with sharp pointy things, not clubs. Fighting with sharp pointy things is generally much more deadly and effective. That sort of fighting style tends to encourage agility, not overmuscled bulk. There is almost no scenario where that overmuscled bulk would be useful- in a gun fight, it is not necessary, and it makes it harder to hide behind cover.CoffeeOfDoom said:
You raise good points, and I agree that there is a double standard in that nobody ever complains about too many muscular dudes in videogames. Occasionally I have a problem with unreasonably skimpy "armor," or one-dimenional/stock characterization, but the latter is hardly limited to female characters.
For me it depends on genre, and how seriously the game wants me to take it. If it's meant to be a serious and realistic drama, then the women shouldn't all be double Ds in chainmail bikinis (unless this is somehow justified in the plot).
For me it depends on genre, and how seriously the game wants me to take it. If it's meant to be a serious and realistic drama, then the women shouldn't all be double Ds in chainmail bikinis (unless this is somehow justified in the plot).
It tends to look silly and frankly it find it insulting simply because it shows how immature the developers think their audience must be. I mean it's embarrassing to be chatting with some buddies or showing what I think is a neat game to someone else only to have this disproportionate piece of immature eye-candy wander onscreen and make the game, and myself by extension for liking it, seem childish.
Seriously, I thought games would have grown out of this phase by now.
If a game is purposely trying to be ridiculous and over the top... I can understand that. B-grade movie style shlock, pulp-fiction, whatever. I get it! But when it's so pervasive in 'serious' games as well? Ridiculous. Grow up!
Seriously, I thought games would have grown out of this phase by now.
If a game is purposely trying to be ridiculous and over the top... I can understand that. B-grade movie style shlock, pulp-fiction, whatever. I get it! But when it's so pervasive in 'serious' games as well? Ridiculous. Grow up!
Personally I don't hate big boobs, although its nice to have a sexy *not child* character with smaller breasts and moderate size always seems to be best since it doesn't feel as though it takes away from the character.
Since most video game characters ALREADY lack an a huge amount of depth behind I'm going to turn to anime (and yes they do, some of the characters with the most depth in video games are still only about as developed emotionally as minor characters in TV/books.)
Orihime from bleach *or however you spell that crazy Japanese name* the first thing most people think of when they see, or hear of the character, are breasts. Compared to Sakura from Naruto, when I think of Sakura I think of annoying, hypocritical, jerk-wad. Ya not positive traits exactly but still, THATS character, not big breasts O_O if I want porn, I will look up porn, there is plenty of it free... If I want story I will read a book, if I want immersion I will play a game.
I don't oppose big boobs, I just oppose how hard they are to get past... figuratively...
Moderate boobs, or big boobs that aren't be flaunted, are fine in my book though.
Since most video game characters ALREADY lack an a huge amount of depth behind I'm going to turn to anime (and yes they do, some of the characters with the most depth in video games are still only about as developed emotionally as minor characters in TV/books.)
Orihime from bleach *or however you spell that crazy Japanese name* the first thing most people think of when they see, or hear of the character, are breasts. Compared to Sakura from Naruto, when I think of Sakura I think of annoying, hypocritical, jerk-wad. Ya not positive traits exactly but still, THATS character, not big breasts O_O if I want porn, I will look up porn, there is plenty of it free... If I want story I will read a book, if I want immersion I will play a game.
I don't oppose big boobs, I just oppose how hard they are to get past... figuratively...
Moderate boobs, or big boobs that aren't be flaunted, are fine in my book though.
