Big Boobs- why do people complain?

[OneOfTheMichael's]

It's called pandering. It's a natural program for human males to be attracted to "Larger" breasts because of natural selection.
However this is something that can be changed in preferances but still remains a deep seated value.
Remember kids
Sex sells.
I can tell you right now that If Ivy had boobs that large she'd have serious trouble jumping or running around.
Those things are monsters.
I dont care if a character has big boobs or not just as long as it fits the character design. If all the characters have huge breast sizes, it only reinforces to people like me that all men are perverts. People like to blame me for being "sexist" and "stereotyping" when I talk down about how most guys are perverts. Do I blame them? Machoism in society forces them to be that way.

It does kinda suck for a female gamer to see that all the time though. Personal experiace in 3 ..2..1..
Im flatchested(AA Cup so STFU you), so seeing all these girls with giant giggling tits makes me pissed off.
"What no love for the flatchested girls? you know thats a whole fetishism in japan damit!"
I can't help but be lefted thinking "Maybe i'd feel better about my self if my boobs were bigger..."

I don't see a serious issue with giant boobs. WHAT I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, is the bouncyness of said Virtual tits.
Boobs dont bounced like that, Thats sick and perverted and.... entrancing, i mean distacting.
Seriously
I dont see why EVERY girl in these games needs to be wearing a visible thong and have boobs that sway like the ocean when shes standing and doing her idel motion and bounce like water balloons when shes running around.
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Now don't get me wrong, I wouldnt mind seeing that every once in a while, I mean Dead Or Alive dementions was screaming "3d Boucing boobies!" so I fell for that and reserved it with my 3DS, and I wanted a mobil figting game.

But Everytime? Seriously every game that is capable of viewing a girls chest, that has the graphics and phyics engine to do so has applied it to the female breast function.
Seriously, even the MMORPG and 2 MMOs i play are guilty of it, and one of them is suposidly designed as a kiddie game(uhuh sure, not with those game mechanics and DnDs boobs boucing around like that.)

I could not agree with you more. I don't really care about most of this stuff, i just want the game, and than they shove these ginormous breasts in my face and i just toss the controller down because they just ruin it for me.
It's wrong and demoralizes most women.

 

[Kroxile]

please view my avatar... then read my response lol

(real and fabulous, no autographs please)

I find it hilarious how offended people get over something as common as boobies.
Women in video games with "unrealstic" traits have never bothered me. ever.
do giant masses of muscle like marcus fenix bother you boys?
no?
exactly.
we just accept them as badass, amusing-looking characters and leave it at that.

They're just boobs, and people need to develop a sense of humour about them.

This, omg this.

Its always bothered me how a game can throw a huge muscle bound idiot with a gun in a game and no one (well, very few) ever says a thing, but the second a woman gets on screen with a slender frame and big boobs everyone has a fit.

Double standards about sex exist in games too, apparently, and thats what I would complain about the most.

As for the topic at hand: I like visually appealing characters. Though big boobs don't necessarily make or break the deal on what I consider good looking, but I have found that they rarely hurt it either

 

[dementis]

I can't take the game seriously anymore. I mean, for more 'fun' titles I don't really have a problem with it, but in games I take more seriously I find them childish. I like sexual attraction to be subtle, and just throwing some breasts on screen is anything but. Like in the Dragon Age 2 demo with that gypsy woman. The first game had fairly modest appearances (despite the lust demons and Morrigan's shirt) but in the demo suddenly there's Uncanny Valley level bra sizes. It's distracting, and doesn't actually help with immersion. Instead, because the character is clearly being objectified, it's harder to develop an emotional response and not treat them like an object.

In Dragon Age 2 she has larger breasts because the story is being told by Varric (the dwarf) and he exxagerates the story.

 

[Space_Titanium]

What I think is the large issue here is that people are tired of women constantly being treated as sex objects, and yet I'm seeing people say "well, because the women in games are sex objects they have no correlation with real women". Does this honestly make sense? Is this honestly being fair to the other half of the human population out there?

I can understand why men have trouble understanding this as we usually aren't viewed in the same spectrum, but because of that we should just shut up for once and listen to what people are telling us. If a female character happens to have big breasts, then fine, that could be part of the character, but at least they better be a character and not just a sex object walking around.

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

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on the point of ivy, its not just the fact that she has big boobs, if you look at that picture extra credits kept showing, it was a hypersexualised picture, way over the top, she has boobs bigger than her head and the total surface area of her clothes is enough to cover her nipples and no more, i think thats the problem.
while i agree with just about everything you've said, i still think the inclusion of big boobs in games makes the medium seem immature and is generally used just for sex appeal (no different from tv or films but whatever)

 

[Sarah Frazier]

Well I don't see why people who complain about big boobs in games don't also complain about real people who have big boobs. I mean they're not going to live up to them either by their argument.

I don't complain too much about women with big breasts because I know that they're uncomfortable, physically and even socially. If anything, I feel sorry for them, and even more so if they put implants in just to achieve such size. Just imagine the kind of sagging that happens when they get to about 60 without having regular surgery to tighten things back up or wearing some kind of support at all times. Painful, expensive, and surely embarrassing.

Ah but then the question is do you complain about video game characters with big boobs? Because tbh if they were to grow old (/live in the real world), they'd have to deal with all that shit too.

Only if the monster tits are all the character has besides the unnatural ability to flip and twist around without the slightest sign of "Ow, that kind of hurt" as the massive meat lumps fly and bounce around. DDD-cup breasts as a selling point stops being fan service at some point and becomes an insult as the designers start assuming that the fans lack the developed maturity to notice anything but tits, tush, and violence.

And I would get a good laugh at seeing any image of the extra busty women in their old age, but such is rare indeed unless done by fans who probably avoid thinking of what 40 years of gravity would do on that anatomy. Or perhaps their spines snap well before then, leaving very few DDD-cup grannies going around.

 

[Daveman]

Well I don't see why people who complain about big boobs in games don't also complain about real people who have big boobs. I mean they're not going to live up to them either by their argument.

I don't complain too much about women with big breasts because I know that they're uncomfortable, physically and even socially. If anything, I feel sorry for them, and even more so if they put implants in just to achieve such size. Just imagine the kind of sagging that happens when they get to about 60 without having regular surgery to tighten things back up or wearing some kind of support at all times. Painful, expensive, and surely embarrassing.

Ah but then the question is do you complain about video game characters with big boobs? Because tbh if they were to grow old (/live in the real world), they'd have to deal with all that shit too.

Only if the monster tits are all the character has besides the unnatural ability to flip and twist around without the slightest sign of "Ow, that kind of hurt" as the massive meat lumps fly and bounce around. DDD-cup breasts as a selling point stops being fan service at some point and becomes an insult as the designers start assuming that the fans lack the developed maturity to notice anything but tits, tush, and violence.

And I would get a good laugh at seeing any image of the extra busty women in their old age, but such is rare indeed unless done by fans who probably avoid thinking of what 40 years of gravity would do on that anatomy. Or perhaps their spines snap well before then, leaving very few DDD-cup grannies going around.

You know what? We joke about women in skimpy armour which is metal plated but basically just covers tits and ass... this is clearly just for the necessary extra boob support. How wrong we were to judge...

 

[Sarah Frazier]

Eh... I joke all the time with gamer friends about the plate armor nipple stickers from time to time. How they are made of super magnets to draw all attacks to those few points on the body, especially the softer areas that can absorb and possibly deflect the attack with no lasting harm done to the woman. Everyone has a laugh and then moves on with whatever we were doing before. Breasts just aren't a lingering topic with the 25+ age group I hang with. The 18 and under group, however... /facepalm

 

[CloakedOne]

If i want pornography.....I will watch pornography. I won't play Games to feed that same urge.

Most people do. We are hard-wired for sex, and so we enjoy seeing sexy images, almost no matter what the context. Even when they are not sexy, we want to see things that are attractive regardless. If someone is watching something repulsive but they stay watching it, something about it must be keeping that person's attention and therefore attracting them.

For me, if they want to make a female appear attractive, they do the same things that they do to make a male seem attractive: they push them into the fantastic. These are video games, after all, and we must remember that. When we watch TV or see movies, we don't want to see everyday people, we can look around and do that. We want to see things that are pleasing to the eye. Big breasts, for the most part, are pleasing to the eye (I know that they please mine). And yes, I agree, men are not immune to this idealization. Men too are expressed in video games and other media as being tall (unless they're supposed to be stealthy, then it's alright to be smaller), strong, chiseled, intelligent, and sexy. Women, likewise, are supposed to be beautiful, smart, and sexy well beyond what actual women can achieve usually (although their height can usually vary in much greater ways). these media are advocating a body type that very few men or women can actually achieve, but it's also the realm of the fictional. I'm not so sure it's wrong to put the realm of the fictional on trial for not being more like reality. They are supposed to be separate. If we blend too much of the gritty, harsh real with the fantastic realm of video games, we eventually won't have anything to look forward to.

I am 5'7", I have a little bit of extra weight, and little in regards to muscles, yet these men do not get to me. When I play a video game, I don't want to play someone who is typical. It's about escapism, right? Although I must admit I imagine I might feel differently if I were female because men may feel pressured to look their best but women find it as a requirement. If men keep looking to the fantastic as the norm, then that leaves the vast majority of women out of luck.

In short: it's the same for everybody, women have it worse (as usual), and it's the realm of fantasy and although we should be critical in some ways, we should not keep trying to make it look like its frumpy and unpleasant cousin, reality.

 

[kingmob]

Big breasts in small skimpy suits don't stereotype women, it stereotypes men playing these games. There's nothing wrong with a good pair of breasts, but they are obviously there for pandering. This sort of pandering is the lowest form of art and it is like saying "we know this is all you really want in the end".

I have a similar problem with Lisa's show here on the Escapist, although it has gotten better. There it was achieved by overplaying the stupid blond act.

 

[DTWolfwood]

I don't inherently have a quarrel with big boobs in games, but I fail to see how something like this is at all attractive;

Spoiler

I'm a heterosexual female, I like dicks. If I ever saw a guy in a video game with a bulge that freakishly disproportionate with his body, I wouldn't think it was hot, I'd wonder what the hell was wrong with him.

i wish i can link you the study to back this up, but i did read somewhere that men, when looking at crude pictorials of the female form, most chose the one that was the most exaggerated in proportions as compared to the normally shaped female.

I think it has to do with the fact most men want a woman with wide hips and large breasts because it means that there be less chance the woman will have complications in Child birth and would be able to better feed the child.

Those are features we are genetically programmed to seek out and find attractive.

here are 2 cartoon characters.

Spoiler: Scarlet of G I Joe

Spoiler: Jessica Rabbit

I would bet at least 80% of men find Jessica Rabbit more attractive though Scarlet looks more like a normal attractive human being

Mind you there are ALWAYS exceptions.

Then there is even comparing the same characters but one with more exaggerated features

Spoiler: Scarlet v2

v2 is what most (not ALL) men would agree look better.

 

[MaxwellEdison]

Because it makes a game the most immature thing ever.

"Oh look, chicks have big boobs and guys are brick walls" is a child's idea of sexuality. As someone who isn't 4, I expect the media I consume to be somewhat intelligent. I've honestly never seen a game with over sized breasts that I've gotten into, not because of the breasts, but because the rest of the game was immature and pointless.

They take work away from other graphics, which is idiotic since they AREN'T NEEDED. Think of one game that really needed giant tits to be good, and it'll be a game that isn't worth playing anyways. There's nothing in a game's play, or story, that is improved by them, unless, of course, it's a hentai game. In which case, I'm all for them.

 

[Kenny Doyle]

Because people love complaining. Or just want to seem more mature than other people, whilst they love it themselves.

 

[Bags159]

I big tigole biddies but they're not necessary in a game. Keep soft porn in porn, please.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

If I ever saw a guy in a video game with a bulge that freakishly disproportionate with his body, I wouldn't think it was hot, I'd wonder what the hell was wrong with him.

It's a curse...

I would bet at least 80% of men find Jessica Rabbit more attractive though Scarlet looks more like a normal attractive human being

One of the 20% here. Might just be the red hair though.

 

[RelexCryo]

http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Tira
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Xianghua
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Talim
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Amy

If you think those boobs are small then you're probably the reason why people complain about big boobs in games.

4. Complaint: I don't have a problem with Big Boobs, but I do have a problem with the sheer percentage of them!

http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Talim
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Amy

In fairness you could of proably picked better characters than those. Talim and Amy are both supposed to be about 14 and 15. I think Talim might be a bit older in SCIV but is definitely 15 in SCII.

OT: Anyway I suppose my only real problem with them are things like Jiggle physics and that thing they had in the PS3 Ninja Gaiden. That was a bit too far other than thing like that(which I supposed to be honest are just for a laugh) I don't mind big boobs. When people end up playing games for boobs and they end just being fan service which to be honest Ivy's bondage outfit really is it gets annoying.

To the people bringing up the SC characters Yes Amy's are big for a 14 year old and Talim's for 15 but I don't think Tira's boobs or Xianghua's are getting bigger since they are 17 and 20 so their boobs are on the grand scale of things small and medium sized.

As far as Soul Calibur is concerned, I was making a point based on that particular game. It is not the best game to use an example, I chose it just because Extra Credits kept using it as an example.

As for average breast size:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1208335,00.html

EDIT: just remembered that is largely due to obesity, meh.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Depends if its bigger than the persons head then its just silly and frankly unhealthy.

 

[funguy2121]

Why do people complain about Big Boobs in games? I seriously want to know. I have heard several answers, but the ones I have heard don't make sense. I will list the ones I have heard below, and my responses to them. If you have an opinion that I don't list, please, list it below.


1. Complaint: It is offensive to women to focus on gender specific traits rather than gender neutral ones.

Response: Being attracted to gender specific traits is what defines monosexuality, both heterosexuality and homosexuality. The idea that being attracted to gender specific traits is morally wrong implies that both heterosexuality and homosexuality are morally wrong. Moreover, attraction to gender specific traits, and gender neutral ones, are not mutually exclusive of each other. More simply put, you can be attracted to both female specific traits and intelligence. This is actually what most men want, since most men have a sexuality based on reproduction, and we don't want our offspring to be stupid.

2. Complaint: It isn't normal for women to have such big boobs. It is genetically abnormal!

Response: All above average traits, including above average intelligence, are genetically abnormal. If one were to accept that being attracted to abnormal traits is wrong, then being attracted to women who are more intelligent than average would be wrong. Moreover, because intelligence is more important than attractiveness, it seems somewhat illogical to complain- what seems to worse to you, that there is a an area of desirability/human attractiveness that actually matters, where only a small percentage are born with the most desired traits (highest intellect), or that there is an area of desirability/human attractiveness that doesn't really matter where only a small percentage have the desired traits(appearance)?

More simply put, shouldn't the inherent genetic elitism of a trait that actually matters bother you more? And yet, we accept the inherent genetic elitism of intelligence as a simple fact...while crying out against the far less important genetic elitism of appearance, treating it as totally malleable...despite the fact that beauty has always been elite.

3. Complaint: Women are being treated differently from men!

Response: The exact opposite is true. Men and women are both held to a standard of physical attractiveness far above average in videogames and comic books. Men have their physical gender specific traits magnified, women have their physical gender specific traits magnified. Both are super beautiful/masculine/feminine. Both are being treated exactly the same. The average woman may not have giant boobs, but the average man doesn't look like the Incredible Hulk, Superman, Thor, Ryu/Ken, Marcus Fenix, or many other male videogame characters.

4. Complaint: I don't have a problem with Big Boobs, but I do have a problem with the sheer percentage of them!

Response: Adult Female characters that have larger than average boobs are actually a fairly small minority. Here is an example: In Extra Credits, they keep using pictures of Ivy. Ivy is part of a large roster of female characters. Most of these characters have small or average breasts.

http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Tira
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Xianghua
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Talim
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Amy

Keep in mind, this is not all of the female characters, This is not even half. I am too lazy to go hunting through the wiki for all of them. And of course in addition to Ivy there was also Taki, but woman with big breasts were still the minority. So the Extra Credit group complained about a game in which women with big boobs...were the minority. Tifa Lockheart, in FF7, was pretty much the only female character with large breasts. Consistently, within videogames, the big breasted characters are a small minority.

5. Complaint: I don't like being compared to a standard I can't live up too!

Response: If the female character is more powerful and intelligent than average, then she is inherently creating a standard of sexiness that the average woman can't live up too, simply because intelligence and power are a part of sexiness. A woman who is more intelligent than average is sexy because I want my offspring to be smart. A woman who has superhuman powers- like super healing powers or invulnerability- is sexy because I want my offspring to have favorable traits. And of course, big boobs/hourglass figures are sexy because I am heterosexual, and I am attracted to traits specific to the female gender.

6. Complaint: I believe big boobs are a crutch game designers use to support bad games!

Response: Excellent writing and character development are also crutches game developers use to support bad gameplay. Text adventure games are a pretty good example. That doesn't justify hating excellent writing, character development, and overall narrative.

Can anyone else list any complaints they have?

Well, first of all, I have to applaud you for being thorough.

Regarding 1. - 5., there is one point that you did not bring up, which is that far more child/teen/young adult men play video games than women of any age. This is changing, but it's like women in nursing - it's still almost overwhelmingly one gender. So it doesn't really much matter that men are also 'held to an impossible standard,' as you put it. The idea of some ripped badass like Wolverine is an archetype that young men wish to emulate. We don't see Logan and suddenly feel shitty in comparison. Now, we may see Josh DuHamel or one of the Twilight douches held up as a beacon of male beauty and, if we're impressionable, feel shitty by comparison, but those aren't video game characters - Hell, they're hardly characters at all. The big boobies you're talking about DO NOT EXIST in the real world - at least, not without an incredibly irresponsible surgeon. I don't wanna be banned for NSFW materials, so I can't post the pics here. But I did a google search trying to find actual women who have Bayonetta sized boobies. Google Kayla Kleevage.

Yes, I know she looks like a grandma. Yes, I know they're bigger than her head. And may I just point out that Bayonetta's breasts are about a foot and a half south of her head? In real life, those too would be grandma titties. Eck.

The point is, this crap isn't real. It's not a turn on to me, primarily for that reason. Now I love large breasts as much as the next guy, and I really don't care if they're natural or surgically enhanced so long as they look good. But some of these video game characters have bigger boobs than most porn stars and strippers out there. I mean, have you seen the boobie physics in Dead or Alive? It's too cartoonish to even be novelty-sexy! And the problem is that this doesn't exactly set up any real expectations for young boys who haven't yet learned to talk to girls. It doesn't do anything to prepare them for the real world, for real sexuality.

Now for 6. I don't think you understand the word "crutch" as a metaphor if you're willing to equate good literature to a crutch. Videogames as a whole have not yet displayed much good storytelling and character development anyway. And I can't remember a time when the plot, characterization, allusion and use of theme in a game blew me away but the gameplay itself sucked. It most definitely IS an insult to those of us who think that games can be art to slap some titties on a game to sell it. It's just like Ewe Boll throwing a bunch of breasts in the first 15 minutes of one of his movies, it's like an admission that you know what you've made is crap.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Tira
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Xianghua
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Talim
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Amy

If you think those boobs are small then you're probably the reason why people complain about big boobs in games.

4. Complaint: I don't have a problem with Big Boobs, but I do have a problem with the sheer percentage of them!

http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Talim
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Amy

In fairness you could of proably picked better characters than those. Talim and Amy are both supposed to be about 14 and 15. I think Talim might be a bit older in SCIV but is definitely 15 in SCII.

OT: Anyway I suppose my only real problem with them are things like Jiggle physics and that thing they had in the PS3 Ninja Gaiden. That was a bit too far other than thing like that(which I supposed to be honest are just for a laugh) I don't mind big boobs. When people end up playing games for boobs and they end just being fan service which to be honest Ivy's bondage outfit really is it gets annoying.

To the people bringing up the SC characters Yes Amy's are big for a 14 year old and Talim's for 15 but I don't think Tira's boobs or Xianghua's are getting bigger since they are 17 and 20 so their boobs are on the grand scale of things small and medium sized.

As far as Soul Calibur is concerned, I was making a point based on that particular game. It is not the best game to use an example, I chose it just because Extra Credits kept using it as an example.

As for average breast size:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1208335,00.html

I am just saying given the age the characters are supposed to be you could of pick better examples like Seong Mina off the top of my head.