Bigest gaming sins

[Vault101]

to be more specific what do you feel were the biggest sins commited by developers games or gamers themselfs?, I got two examples

1. Banjo Kazooie: nuts and bolts

Ok so say you love banjo kazooe, awsome platforming puzzles charahcters and humour, one of the greatest classic games and then you hear theres a seaquel out! so instead you get...vehechles?? What do vehachles have to do with banjo kazooie? and why dose banjo look blocky? they have the graphics why can't they make him look like he was originally intended?

Its not really a bad game but Its not what we wanted...Its like if Mass effect 3 replaced all the third person shooting with tetris, tetris is great but it dosn't go with Mass effect

I think they should have made a proper seaquel..even gone down the darker and edgier route

2. Assassins creed II

simple, DRM ruined it for me, thats why I've hardly played it, DRM shout NOT ruin a game for somone my Limit is with steam, anythign more than that and FUCK YOU ubisoft

3. Just in general ripping off gamers with extra unessicary costs especially when it comes to DLC

4. games being too short

 

[Haakmed]

Quick time events. Worst bit of gaming ever. I can't like god of war at all because of it and I have an really hard time telling myself that the story in Heavy Rain is enough of a reason to play though it more than once. (Have not succeeded there because I hate them so!)

 

[Elandin]

Any game that's by EA, Activision, etc.

Why? Because they make games to make money instead of giving us enjoyment, making us think or making us think as games as an art form, not just a money printing press. Not to mention that their games are so bland and "safe" it makes me want to slam my head in the door but then people might think I'm crazy, anyway I was going somewhere with this oh yea.

Indie games FTW

 

[Something Amyss]

simple, DRM ruined it for me, thats why I've hardly played it, DRM shout NOT ruin a game for somone my Limit is with steam, anythign more than that and FUCK YOU ubisoft

I loooove the fact that Steam-level DRM has become acceptable. In 5-10 years, AC2-level DRM will probably be acceptable.

 

[darkcommanderq]

to be more specific what do you feel were the biggest
2. Assassins creed II

simple, DRM ruined it for me, thats why I've hardly played it, DRM shout NOT ruin a game for someone my Limit is with steam, anythign more than that and FUCK YOU ubisoft

Then why did you buy Assassins creed II. If a game has DRM that you dont approve of just dont buy it. A great example of that is spore. I refused to perchance because of the 5 copy nonsense.

A side note as to the TYPE of DRM that ubisoft uses now is a required internet connection. This is true for all of the new ubisoft releases. I would support it if it actually stoped piracy, but it dosent. It just punishes people who pay for the product.

ok DRM rage aside, a huge video gaming sin is addictive game play. I find is some what shameful that a lot of game developers now a days are moving towards the skinner method of game design. This has been a pet peeve of mine long before extra credits did an episode on the topic.

 

[Vault101]

simple, DRM ruined it for me, thats why I've hardly played it, DRM shout NOT ruin a game for somone my Limit is with steam, anythign more than that and FUCK YOU ubisoft

I loooove the fact that Steam-level DRM has become acceptable. In 5-10 years, AC2-level DRM will probably be acceptable.

Oh trust me I HATED steam..but its so wide spread now I don;t have much choice plus at least it gives me the option...But yes you are probably right

 

[Vault101]

to be more specific what do you feel were the biggest
2. Assassins creed II

simple, DRM ruined it for me, thats why I've hardly played it, DRM shout NOT ruin a game for someone my Limit is with steam, anythign more than that and FUCK YOU ubisoft

Then why did you buy Assassins creed II. If a game has DRM that you dont approve of just dont buy it. A great example of that is spore. I refused to perchance because of the 5 copy nonsense.

A side note as to the TYPE of DRM that ubisoft uses now is a required internet connection. This is true for all of the new ubisoft releases. I would support it if it actually stoped piracy, but it dosent. It just punishes people who pay for the product.

ok DRM rage aside, a huge video gaming sin is addictive game play. I find is some what shameful that a lot of game developers now a days are moving towards the skinner method of game design. This has been a pet peeve of mine long before extra credits did an episode on the topic.

Because I was a sucker...thats why I regret it now and I will no longer buy their games

 

[altobizzaro]

not being able to jump..... completely destroys a game for me its far too restricting, worse then invisible walls,

 

[Something Amyss]

Any game that's by EA, Activision, etc.

Why? Because they make games to make money instead of giving us enjoyment, making us think or making us think as games as an art form, not just a money printing press. Not to mention that their games are so bland and "safe" it makes me want to slam my head in the door but then people might think I'm crazy, anyway I was going somewhere with this oh yea.

Indie games FTW

Yeah, EA totally goes for safe games, like that sequel to Army of Two after it was poorly received and not commercially viable. And damn Activision for DJ Hero 2 after poor sales of the first. Man, I hate them so much!

Come on, guys, I know we all hate the evul korpera$hunz, but not every game they put out is Madden or CoD or whatever.

 

[Haakmed]

simple, DRM ruined it for me, thats why I've hardly played it, DRM shout NOT ruin a game for somone my Limit is with steam, anythign more than that and FUCK YOU ubisoft

I loooove the fact that Steam-level DRM has become acceptable. In 5-10 years, AC2-level DRM will probably be acceptable.

Oh trust me I HATED steam..but its so wide spread now I don;t have much choice plus at least it gives me the option...But yes you are probably right

Maybe its just me not being the best computer person in the world but I honestly do not see any negative aspects of steam or impulse. Granted I have to register my games to the program basically removing the need for a CD all together but I do not have to be connected to ubisoft's website to play my games like I do with any of their new games. Plus if I happen to lose my CDs for my games I can just download them to my computer again. And with my laptop not having a CD drive it makes it simpler to get my games on it.

What bad things does steam do because I am frankly not seeing them...

 

[OrokuSaki]

Escort quests. God of War 3 got it right, if I HAVE to escort it I don't want to have to PROTECT it. If it's that important that I save it's life CUTSCENE IT because I really don't want to have to save the little sister for an hour and a half.

 

[Vault101]

simple, DRM ruined it for me, thats why I've hardly played it, DRM shout NOT ruin a game for somone my Limit is with steam, anythign more than that and FUCK YOU ubisoft

I loooove the fact that Steam-level DRM has become acceptable. In 5-10 years, AC2-level DRM will probably be acceptable.

Oh trust me I HATED steam..but its so wide spread now I don;t have much choice plus at least it gives me the option...But yes you are probably right

Maybe its just me not being the best computer person in the world but I honestly do not see any negative aspects of steam or impulse. Granted I have to register my games to the program basically removing the need for a CD all together but I do not have to be connected to ubisoft's website to play my games like I do with any of their new games. Plus if I happen to lose my CDs for my games I can just download them to my computer again. And with my laptop not having a CD drive it makes it simpler to get my games on it.

What bad things does steam do because I am frankly not seeing them...

Steam does have alot of good points but it can be frustrating to no end for those of us not blessed with a super internet connection, it also makes the installation process more long and frustrating

also the very Idea of having to be connected to the internet 24/7 just to play single player makes me very angry...If I buy somthing I want to OWN it and play it when I want to

to put it another way When the apocolypse comes and I'm the only one left I want to be able to play my games when I'm not killing zombies or raiders

 

[Haakmed]

Oh trust me I HATED steam..but its so wide spread now I don;t have much choice plus at least it gives me the option...But yes you are probably right[/quote]

Maybe its just me not being the best computer person in the world but I honestly do not see any negative aspects of steam or impulse. Granted I have to register my games to the program basically removing the need for a CD all together but I do not have to be connected to ubisoft's website to play my games like I do with any of their new games. Plus if I happen to lose my CDs for my games I can just download them to my computer again. And with my laptop not having a CD drive it makes it simpler to get my games on it.

What bad things does steam do because I am frankly not seeing them...[/quote]

Steam does have alot of good points but it can be frustrating to no end for those of us not blessed with a super internet connection, it also makes the installation process more long and frustrating

also the very Idea of having to be connected to the internet 24/7 just to play single player makes me very angry...If I buy somthing I want to OWN it and play it when I want to

to put it another way When the apocolypse comes and I'm the only one left I want to be able to play my games when I'm not killing zombies or raiders[/quote]

Ok granted yes Downloading a new game and having it take HOURS is down right annoying especially after its something I have been waiting to play, But you can still play your games that you have installed, And if you happen to retain the disks for them just install them back on to your computer and play them again. What I mainly actually buy off of steam are the games I can not buy, like cool little small time developers and games I just can not find anymore. Those ya when Zombies come out to play and all the interwebz dies I will lose but hey! Left 4 Dead for real at that point I do not think I'll be thinking about playing some Half life 2 at that point

 

[jackknife402]

Starcraft 2.

No LAN, no p2p on Battle.net, regional restrictions, one character per account, censorship, shitty publishing system, shitty popularity system, shitty custom game lobby system where being a host doesn't mean crap, bad interface design overall, and some stuff like the "bonus pool" on the ladder that artificially inflates your points and warps the rankings so they reflect skill to a lesser extent. And just a small gripe of mine, shitty story in the campaign.

All of this is here because of one reason - pandering to the lowest common denominator and money grubbing at it's finest.

Sadly since Burning Crusade that's all that Blizzard as been doing, I mainly play their games now for the story; which is good; rather than the actual game content. I hope Diablo 3 and their new MMO fixes this tripe, cuz games are stupid fuck easy these days, and those whom complain(I'm talking about you developers) about them being hard and that being a negative...screw you. I like a challenge, I like a challenge where if I haven't had to think more than "Pull trigger and duck" then the game isn't really worth my time gameplay wise.

 

[Polaris19]

Any game that's by EA, Activision, etc.

Why? Because they make games to make money instead of giving us enjoyment, making us think or making us think as games as an art form, not just a money printing press. Not to mention that their games are so bland and "safe" it makes me want to slam my head in the door but then people might think I'm crazy, anyway I was going somewhere with this oh yea.

Indie games FTW

(tl;dr at bottom)

Unfortunately gaming IS actually a business. Which means you kind of need to make money.

Take a look at some of the games these companies make. While yes, many of them do sell, and yes there are games made on the simple fact that it sells, quite a few of these games are very good, even if they don't take risks. Indie games are a great addition to the industry, and I applaud them for doing what they do, but the simple fact is that they can't do nearly as much as a premier developer can.

Bland is what some games may be but if you truly feel that way then step up and say so. Bioware (owned by EA mind you...) made a real case and point that developers will listen if you tell them what you want. They can't accommodate everyones ideas, no, but they took the feedback their fans gave them and made a better overall game out of Mass Effect 2.

Saying companies like EA and Activison and their games are terrible, simply because of a lack of pure innovation isn't really the way to go. Should we push the envelope every now and again? Of course. There's plenty of room to try different things. But there's nothing wrong with sticking to a proven formula, so long as it isn't watered down, and it can be improved upon in some way.

We all want our games to do cool things, and I'm generally disappointed when I play a game that isn't very inspired. But there's plenty of games out there that don't do a lot of special things, and yet still create a unique experience. Innovation for the sake of innovation is a good way to lose money. And when you lose money, then you can afford to take even fewer chances.


Don't get me wrong though. EA and Activison are far from saints. But they are companies. They have employees, partners, and CEO's. If they don't turn a profit somehow, people lose jobs. Then less games can be made. But there is certainly room to try daring things. Particularly story wise, there are some places games could go that could offer some amazing experiences that other forms of entertainment and media can't. And with the kind of money these companies have, they could probably do an incredible job.

Indie developers aren't necessarily shackled by the bonds of cash, but they too, have to find a way to make some sort of return on their investment, otherwise they wouldn't be able to keep doing what they love to do. In a way, the sort of need to make a unique experience, otherwise no one will even notice their game.



I love Limbo, Facade, Imortall, and Castle Crashers. But I also like Mass Effect, Halo, Fallout and Battlefield. Most games offer unique experiences in someway, and whether you realize it or not, even indie games draw influence from big titles and sources.




I know most people will point out some odd bits in there but here's the tl;dr version:

Big developers have thousands of employees, so they need to think about profit first, or else peoples jobs could be lost. However, they could also stand to be less complacent, and try to push boundaries more often than they do. Indie dev's need to make unique experiences because without the resources and finances of a big company, it is harder to advertise and make a profit on your work.


Srry for the long off-topic post....

OT: I get a little bit upset at Microsoft's archaic way of running Xbox Live. Their practices and rules are the reason games like Team Fortress 2 are shells of what they could be on Xbox.

 

[ultrachicken]

not being able to jump..... completely destroys a game for me its far too restricting, worse then invisible walls,

Yes! This!

Also, not being able to look at the sky. It depresses me.

 

[TheMadTypist]

underestimating your players. Can't remember exactly when I decided this, but I was extremely irritated at the time. Decided it was the biggest gaming sin, and then promptly forgot why I thought so.

Or perhaps it's the Four-Thirty-In-The-Morning talking.

 

[Roxor]

Four words: Game For Windows Live.

This is an especially big pain in the neck when it's included in a game sold on Steam. Hello! Steam does everything GFWL does, does it better than GFWL, and it doesn't get in the way.

Patch your Steam releases to remove the GFWL crap and the third-party DRM. If you're selling on Steam, you don't need either.