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Assassinator said:
You can't run-and-gun on the console? Shame, I can.
the console fps games are designed to be easier to make the controller viable, through slow/stupid AI and more powerful weapons etc.

play a game like rainbow 6 vegas or halo3 with a mouse... pathetically easy - headshot everything in 0.01 seconds.
 

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The Political Gamer said:
Raw Power: PC > Consoles
Control: PC > Consoles
Customization: PC > Consoles
# of Games: PC > Consoles
# of Free Games: PC > Consoles
# of Mic Spamming 10 year olds and Fanboys: Consoles > PC
You forgot reliability and price...however, I must agree with the control and customization, I don't like that console games are limited to what was released (mostly) but then again, that usually means a more stable gaming experience.

I guess the most obvious flaw with a console would have been the RRoD for the 360, which was and will always be one of the most cop out of cop outs for a major console release.
 

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I havent read the whole thread but I hate the 360 for the following reasons:

XBL is a laggy joke for Aussies to use (gg american servers)
Loud DVD tray
You cant put the RCA and HDMI cables in at the same time (if your using a monitor which only has a DVI port)
The biggest transformer known to mankind
Controller batteries not lasting long. Been through about 3-4 packs in 2 years
Oh and finally the springs in my triggers on my controller have gone rusty to the make a squeeking noise when i press them (need lubing up)
 

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PS3 - Price and the lack of backwards compatibility (for the newer consoles) and small hard drive 20gb, 40gb just to small, even the 80gb is to small
Xbox 360 - RROD
Wii - Friend Codes & the fact they don't make any of the games to the potential if graphics it could have (why is Red Steel and Super Mario Galaxy so good but nothing else is)
Gamecube - no backwards compatability (obvious reasons)
PS2 - There isn't one
Xbox - Bad Controller

I just got a new Hard Drive for the PS3 so its not to small anymore (for me anyway)
 

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tarquin biscuitbarrel said:
console is cheaper than a pc, but the games and accessories certainly are NOT.

defects (my 360 rrod bricked after only ~5 hours per week over 1.5 years)

reliance on controller, fps games on a controller are crap.
mine went rrod - 10 hours a week in 3 months
thats when i got it fixed, then sold it to a friend and bought a ps3, damn you microsoft
 

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I think the Red Ring of Death has to be the worst I've heard of.

For my own console of choice (the PS3), I have to say the lack of backwards compatability. I also kind of resent having to pay for map-packs and additional content, but isn't that more the fault of the publishers/makers of a game than the console?
 

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sethisjimmy said:
I think the biggest flaw in general is Nintendo's complete inability to get a handheld right the first time around.

gameboy - game boy color. We forgot color. Here's another game boy for you to buy!
gameboy color - gameboy advance. We gave you some new buttons, now give us money! Also, we made smaller cartridges for you to lose.
gameboy advance - gameboy advance sp. OH SHI! We forgot the lights! Buy another gameboy from us and we'll throw in a hinge for it
gameboy advance sp - gameboy mini (I don't know what this one is called). We made gameboy smaller and crappier! Buy it again!

DS - DS lite. It weighs less. BUY!
DS lite - DSi. Now with a camera, totally unlike every other portable electronic device! Also we moved some buttons around. Spend full price again!
So your going to begrudge them for being marketing geniuses?
 

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asam92 said:
PS3 - Price and the lack of backwards compatibility (for the newer consoles) and small hard drive 20gb, 40gb just to small, even the 80gb is to small
Xbox 360 - RROD
Wii - Friend Codes & the fact they don't make any of the games to the potential if graphics it could have (why is Red Steel and Super Mario Galaxy so good but nothing else is)
Gamecube - no backwards compatability (obvious reasons)
PS2 - There isn't one
Xbox - Bad Controller

I just got a new Hard Drive for the PS3 so its not to small anymore (for me anyway)
Good summary, and completely free of fanboy-ism to boot. Good Job.
 

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Other then the Red Ring, its Sega and their failure to support the Sega Saturn or Dreamcast in the U.S.
 

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Pi_Fighter said:
It has become a minor nuisance, not a major screwup.
Um, sorry, but if a console famous because it is prone to complete and utter system failure, I would consider that a major screwup. Hell, even if it wasn't famous for it, a system failure is a major screwup, whether covered by warranty or not.

I think it would have to probably be either the RRoD or the disk drive hardware failure on the 360. Or maybe just the 360 as a whole. The fact that Microsoft released a product so riddled with hardware failures and software errors is ridiculous, especially considering they have supposedly fixed them all in newer generation models.

Admittedly, my opinion might be a little biased. I picked up a 360 about a month ago, and it had the disk drive failure straight out of the box. I'm sorry, but that's just unacceptable.

Really, though, I can't think of any other huge flaws in any other consoles. Or, at least, none that are as massive as those two in the 360.
 

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Not including some kind of new technology/massive third party interest.

It's what killed the Dreamcast and the Gamecube.

Also not destroying people's eyes is a plus.
Damn you Virtual Boy!!
The Dreamcast had massive 3rd party support (except for EA, really). It failed because of DVDs and Sony's clout; also EA being a dick. ;)
 

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has to be of course...the dreaded red ring-O-death its happend to me 3 times and i got a free xbox 360 elite because of that xbox and they found a way to stop the red ring of death but you have to upgrade you xbox my elite came with the upgrade... ^_^ no more red ring
 

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Drakulla said:
Other then the Red Ring, its Sega and their failure to support the Sega Saturn or Dreamcast in the U.S.
Saturn? Yes.
Dreamcast? No, they supported it pretty well in the States. Not as well as they could have, maybe, but pretty well nonetheless.
 

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Just to preface this, I have all the current consoles and a gaming PC. So please don't take this as me going all pro-PC, or anti-console, or whatever. I'd just like to point some things out.

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The Political Gamer said:
Raw Power: PC > Consoles
Control: PC > Consoles
Customization: PC > Consoles
# of Games: PC > Consoles
# of Free Games: PC > Consoles
# of Mic Spamming 10 year olds and Fanboys: Consoles > PC
Oh boy. ANOTHER PC snob. Allow me to counter your senseless prattle with some actual facts.

Raw power is tech speak for how much of a nerd you can be by arguing over such trivial things. Does your console/PC play games? If you said yes, then it's good. So stop arguing. Besides, remember the price of such a device, not to mention how small a difference there is between Ps3/360/PC graphics. Since you can't provide evidence to the contrary, then I'll move on.
Agreed. It really doesn't matter, just so long as you can play the games you want to play.

Controls differ among people. I hate using a keyboard for games. That doesn't make me an "ignorant fanboy", as you would woefully call me. I choose to use a controller. If you don't like it, oh well. Do something about it.
Agreed again. I have many friends who prefer the handheld controller, whereas I prefer the keyboard and mouse configuration. It's all personal preference. And, really, in this day and age, you can use keyboard and mouse on console gaming and controllers on PC gaming, so this has become a non-issue.

Customization. lol. I'm not even gonna go there. "LOOK! I PUT SPARKLES ON MY PC! JOO CAN'T DO THAT ON YUR 360! DUR HUR." Really, it doesn't make sense to make such a point like that.
I'm pretty sure he was talking about the hardware customization. Though, again, this relates to the raw power issue: as long as the parts work well enough to play the games, then what difference does it make?

However, the one thing that PC's do have one-up on consoles in this regard is that, if a single piece of the computer fails, you just have to replace that single piece. Whereas, on a console, if anything fails in the hardware, you have to send it in to get it repaired or you have to buy a new one. I mean, say your video card burns out in your PC. Go and buy a new one, install it, and you're good to go. But if the processor burns out in your PS3, you'll have to get a brand-new one.

So, in this regard, it's not so much customization, but in it's repairability.

My Ps3 alone can play more than 3000 games, counting Ps3,Ps2, PS1, PSN and PSP titles (it has compatibility for all of them). I can buy most of them on Amazon or even at my local Gamestop, and best of all, it wouldn't really cost me that much money out of my pocket. So unless the PC can play 3001 games without the need for emulators, roms or hacks, then I suggest you shut your noise hole and be thankful the PC can use emus.
Sorry, but PC's have been around for ages longer than the PlayStation, and were making games throughout the entire lifespan of all those consoles you listed. Sure, these days, PC gaming has taken a backseat to console gaming, but there are still thousands of games that you can buy and play. I can't give you a definitive number, but there's more than 3000, I can assure you.

All the games you can buy on the PSN (Age of Booty, PAIN, et cetera) are equal to all the games you can buy from PopCap Games alone (Bookworm, Plants vs. Zombies, et cetera), and that's just one company.

These days, most of the biggest games are coming out for all consoles, but the developers have been coming out with PC versions as well. Yes, consoles have exclusives, and yes, there are examples of games that are on console but not PC, but there are just as many games that are on PC and not console. All the MMO's, for instance (even though I loathe them all with the very core of my being). PC's have also had a monopoly on RTS gaming until very recently, and, even then, they are substantially better on PC than consoles (generally, anyways).

As for the free games, I really think you're pulling our leg with that one. I'd like to see some links and titles as to what games are free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freeware_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_massively_multiplayer_online_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_first-person_shooters

http://www.downloadgames2008.com/

http://www.freewaregames.net/

http://www.abandonia.com/en/search_abandonia/

http://www.abandonwarering.com/

http://www.fileplanet.com/free-games/

Yeah, they might not be the big blockbusters you were expecting, but there are tons of games that you can get on PC for completely free. More, if you want to count the ability to download games off the 'net and play them that way, and that's without counting emulators and what-not.

Now, for mic spamming ten year olds, that can occur on any gaming device. I'd like to see you prove it wrong.
Agreed. Mic-spammers are everywhere, no matter what you're playing on. PC, 360, PS3, whatever. And they are all just as equally retarded.

Again, I'm not flaming the PC. So don't reply all angry.

Tl;dr Stop being such a snob and learn to be friends with your fellow gamers.

Oh, and PS for any PC gamers;

Please don't think I'm trying to 1-up the PC with a console. I'm just saying you guys really should stop being so biased. It only reflects badly on you.
I hope this message didn't come across as angry, because I didn't want it to. I just saw some things that you said that weren't entirely accurate and wanted to make sure that we were all being equally fair. I agree that there are definitely a lot of people out there who fervently believe that PC's are better for gaming, but there are just as many people out there who believe that consoles are better.

The only difference between them is that pro-PC people are branded "snobs" and pro-console people are branded "fanboys". I'm not calling you a fanboy, no more than I call myself a snob. I just wanted to illustrate that it's all the same thing. A rose by any other name, am I right?
 

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The unreliable nature of the Xbox 360. Honestly, I would pay assloads of money for a current-gen console as sturdy as, say, my old Gamecube. After hundreds, maybe thousands of hours of Smash and THPS on that little black box of joy, it still works perfectly. Take note, Sony and Microsoft.
 

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Fightbulb said:
The unreliable nature of the Xbox 360. Honestly, I would pay assloads of money for a current-gen console as sturdy as, say, my old Gamecube. After hundreds, maybe thousands of hours of Smash and THPS on that little black box of joy, it still works perfectly. Take note, Sony and Microsoft.
Current technology is a lot more fragile, so if you want to play the shiny games, you have to put up with the risk of the console breaking...
 

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BolognaBaloney said:
Fightbulb said:
The unreliable nature of the Xbox 360. Honestly, I would pay assloads of money for a current-gen console as sturdy as, say, my old Gamecube. After hundreds, maybe thousands of hours of Smash and THPS on that little black box of joy, it still works perfectly. Take note, Sony and Microsoft.
Current technology is a lot more fragile, so if you want to play the shiny games, you have to put up with the risk of the console breaking...
I know, but apparently it's ridiculous to expect that once technology becomes more advanced, some of the time and effort put into creating said technology might be spent on actually making it durable. It's not just consoles either, it's tvs, stereos, computers, everything. Ridiculous.