biggest flaw in a console
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MS is a large enough corp with enough cash to ensure that this situation never had even a chance of happening in the first place.
Instead of sorting it with a fairly simply cooling solution they rushed the console through and then tried to claim ignorance of the flaw when it started to become apparent and no just because the extended warranty covers the issue doesn't make it better.
If I purchased a car that then went on to fail on mass because of a design flaw I would want the maker of that vehicle to arrange a pick up of my vehicle and give me replacement to cover me while they fixed my original car. I wouldn't want them to wait until the vehicle failed, then have me arrange for them to collect the vehicle and leave me with nothing while they fixed it.
We'll never get a real cost of how much it has cost MS to replace or repair these 360s. To do that they would actually have to release official figures on just how many 360s have failed. I am willing to bet though that as a factor the 360 RROD is probably one of the most expensive screw ups in console history.
Three hands are necessary to be able to reach all the buttons, the stick and the d-pad simultaneosly.jthm said:
ANTI-SANTA said:Second that. I had the RROD a few months ago, but I got it fixed and bought a colling fan. No chance of it happening again. Mainly because I moderate myself, no more 16 solid hourse of Fable 2 for this gamer.MarcusD357 said:
Fable 2 killed my xbox
Don't they say not to buy any cooling items for 360s? I've heard several times that they aren't recommended by Microsoft, that they aren't distributing the parts themselves, and that they do more harm than good. Anyone know if it's true?
The controls.MarcusD357 said:
Ok, they're more simple thus better at certain genres than a keyboard/mouse combo. But exactly because it's so simple, it's also just too... simple. You can't do too much in a game, or add too many buttons on a controller, or it becomes just a controls clusterfuck.
Remember the NES? You know, just A and B button, with a D-Pad. Nowadays controllers have up to 3 pairs of shoulder buttons.
It's a flaw, but it's also one of their many strengths. I myself just use a gamepad for certain genres, keyboard/mouse for the typical PC games. Naturally.
Red Ring of Death - haven't stopped people from buying x360. No matter how crappy hardware of console is, someone will buy it.Pi_Fighter said:
Ok, the Wii and 360 have been beat to death on this thread. What about the other consoles? The PS3 isn't the pinnacle of perfection either you know. I hate the touch sensitive power and eject buttons on the PS3! What a useless gimmick. Sometimes, when I'm trying to eject a disk, I touch the flat area a fraction of an inch too close to the power symbol and the PS3 shuts off. Other times, the "buttons" don't seem to be sensitive at all and you feel like you are having to squeeze the ledge they are on to get the system to shut off. I also hate the "scratch proof" Blu Ray discs. They are not scratch proof by any means. Yet when they do get scratched, you can't buff them without messing up that coating and making matters even worse.
The only reason the 360 scratches discs is because either you are sitting the system on its narrow end or you are messing around with the console while it's spinning discs. You can get the PS3 to do that too if you bump the console enough while a disc is spinning. The Game Cube and PSOne are the only disc based consoles to get it right (their disc spindles had ball bearings to hold the discs solidly in place while playing, not stupid magnets that can't hold the discs worth beans).
Another stupid "feature" of the PS3 (yes, and the Wii has it too) is the slot loader. I hate having to shove the disc into the slot and watch the console drag the poor thing in. Talk about a scratch waiting to happen. If you don't insert the discs just right (and what little kid even trys to), you wind up scratching the heck out of your discs by just loading them. As long as we're talking disc loading, just about all computers and consoles seem to be designed to scratch discs. Even the ones with disc trays like the Xbox, 360 and most computers have sharp edges on the inside of the tray. What for? So you can scratch your disc if you don't line it up perfectly with the indentation in the middle?
I work at a store that sells and buys new and used games and consoles. Let me tell you, no console is perfect. We see every make of console and the games for it come in for repairs. When it comes to fixing scratches in discs, we see the fewest ones for PS3, but when we do see them, they are almost always a lost cause as I said before, due to the "scratch proof" coating that you can't buff. About 99% of the time, when we get discs with the ring scratches on them (for any console, not just 360), the customer will admit that they tried standing the console up on it's side.
That's probably the biggest marketing screw up in video game history. Why do they show the consoles standing on their sides? It ruins discs and will eventually ruin the console. Maybe it's an evil scheme to get gamers to stand their consoles on their ends so their games and systems won't last as long and they'll therefore have to buy even more of them.
The only reason the 360 scratches discs is because either you are sitting the system on its narrow end or you are messing around with the console while it's spinning discs. You can get the PS3 to do that too if you bump the console enough while a disc is spinning. The Game Cube and PSOne are the only disc based consoles to get it right (their disc spindles had ball bearings to hold the discs solidly in place while playing, not stupid magnets that can't hold the discs worth beans).
Another stupid "feature" of the PS3 (yes, and the Wii has it too) is the slot loader. I hate having to shove the disc into the slot and watch the console drag the poor thing in. Talk about a scratch waiting to happen. If you don't insert the discs just right (and what little kid even trys to), you wind up scratching the heck out of your discs by just loading them. As long as we're talking disc loading, just about all computers and consoles seem to be designed to scratch discs. Even the ones with disc trays like the Xbox, 360 and most computers have sharp edges on the inside of the tray. What for? So you can scratch your disc if you don't line it up perfectly with the indentation in the middle?
I work at a store that sells and buys new and used games and consoles. Let me tell you, no console is perfect. We see every make of console and the games for it come in for repairs. When it comes to fixing scratches in discs, we see the fewest ones for PS3, but when we do see them, they are almost always a lost cause as I said before, due to the "scratch proof" coating that you can't buff. About 99% of the time, when we get discs with the ring scratches on them (for any console, not just 360), the customer will admit that they tried standing the console up on it's side.
That's probably the biggest marketing screw up in video game history. Why do they show the consoles standing on their sides? It ruins discs and will eventually ruin the console. Maybe it's an evil scheme to get gamers to stand their consoles on their ends so their games and systems won't last as long and they'll therefore have to buy even more of them.
I don't own a 360, so what's the Red Ring of Death?
I'm expecting this question to appear on the "And the stupidest question award goes to..." forum sometime soon, as you all know the answer.
To contribute (Attempt to, anyways):
I remember the DS not being quite as cool as I thought it to be, though it was probably the games, not the DS.
Joos and BillyWentBoom covered them all already, so...
I'm expecting this question to appear on the "And the stupidest question award goes to..." forum sometime soon, as you all know the answer.
To contribute (Attempt to, anyways):
I remember the DS not being quite as cool as I thought it to be, though it was probably the games, not the DS.
Joos and BillyWentBoom covered them all already, so...
Not to be rude, but if you don't own a 360, then why are you talking about it like you're an expert? I'm assuming you read a lot about it?Pi_Fighter said:
What's wrong with the Square button?Anonymouse said:
Good to know, I should tell one of my friends because hes gone through 3 systems already, poor guy. But what I'm saying is that Microsoft themselves said not to buy those cooling things. Maybe it's just because they are afraid you will buy something that could destroy your system and be covered by warranty.ANTI-SANTA said:Kailias said:ANTI-SANTA said:Second that. I had the RROD a few months ago, but I got it fixed and bought a colling fan. No chance of it happening again. Mainly because I moderate myself, no more 16 solid hourse of Fable 2 for this gamer.MarcusD357 said:
Fable 2 killed my xbox
Don't they say not to buy any cooling items for 360s? I've heard several times that they aren't recommended by Microsoft, that they aren't distributing the parts themselves, and that they do more harm than good. Anyone know if it's true?
Um... No, its not true. The cooling fan makes the biggest of differences ever. My box DOES NOT get hot now, it makes a nasty grind noise when I leave the Xbox turned off for a bit but it stops in like a minutes and does nothing to negetivly affect the 360. When it comes to the Red Ring don't believe half of what you hear, alot of it is just PS3 fanboys trying to make the Xbox sound like a hunk of junk. Lying bastards.
I don't own a 360 myself because I could only choose one this generation due to the economy... I didn't just pick the PS3 due to the red ring like some seem to believe. I actually chose it for the free internet, rechargeable controllers, blu ray player, and because I happen to be a big Metal Gear and Disgaea fan (both are PS3 exclusive unfortunately.). I do think the 360 is good system, just not EXACTLY want I wanted. It's kinda hard to find people with an opinion like mine because they all seem to think their's is the best and no one can say otherwise.