Bikers attack a SUV on a NYC highway

[saintdane05]

But now one of the bikers will go on a hunt through a glitchy level! And bang people! Yaaayyyyy...

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Yeah, I ain't seeing the same thing everyone else is. After watching the video, I saw a slight accident and the bikers stop to confront the guy about it. So his reaction is to just to floor it over them? You can hardly blame them for being pissed off about that. This really stinks to me of the driver thinking "These guys are bikers, they're evil" and reacting poorly.

Of course, the bikers reacted poorly as well by giving chase. They should have taken the guys license plate and called the police instead, so it seems like neither side is really "right" here.

I could be wrong though, all I'm saying is what I saw in that video. Do we actually have any solid evidence that they were going to threaten the guy before he ran over them? After an accident, you are supposed to remain at the scene after all. From as far back as the camera is, all we can see is the bikers stopped and that is it.

According to the article they were denting his car and trying to slash his tires, so he took off. He then later had to exit the freeway because of his tires, where they caught up with him.

 

[BathorysGraveland2]

According to the article they were denting his car and trying to slash his tires, so he took off. He then later had to exit the freeway because of his tires, where they caught up with him.

That isn't proof, in the slightest sense of the word. That is speculation, or a one-sided report at best. If some of the bikers came out and admitted that was the case, then yeah, sure, but at present? I ain't buying it.

 

[evilneko]

Yeah, I ain't seeing the same thing everyone else is. After watching the video, I saw a slight accident and the bikers stop to confront the guy about it. So his reaction is to just to floor it over them? You can hardly blame them for being pissed off about that. This really stinks to me of the driver thinking "These guys are bikers, they're evil" and reacting poorly.

Of course, the bikers reacted poorly as well by giving chase. They should have taken the guys license plate and called the police instead, so it seems like neither side is really "right" here.

I could be wrong though, all I'm saying is what I saw in that video. Do we actually have any solid evidence that they were going to threaten the guy before he ran over them? After an accident, you are supposed to remain at the scene after all. From as far back as the camera is, all we can see is the bikers stopped and that is it.

Yeah, um.

Bikers force cager into a minor accident when one of them gets in front of him and stops short. Aggressive act.

Bikers surround and force cager to stop. Aggressive act number two.

Cager fears for his safety and that of his family. Flees. Oops, biker didn't get out of the way. Well, that's just too bad, the driver's fear and actions were justified.

Bikers chase the SUV and when he's finally forced to stop again by traffic, assault the driver.

I don't really see anything defending these two-wheeled punks. And I really can't blame the guy for his actions.

 

[BathorysGraveland2]

Here in Australia, you are supposed to, by law, stop at the scene of an accident. I assume it's the same in America? As I saw it, the bikers stopped, as they are supposed to. Was there any aggressive acts going on? Impossible to tell from the view of the camera.

Oops, biker didn't get out of the way. Well, that's just too bad, the driver's fear and actions were justified.

And that is just absolutely fucking disgusting. So someone's likely misplaced panic justifies running someone over and potentially paralysing or killing them? Like I said, without evidence, there is no way to know if he was justified in his reaction yet. So hold off on making such rash fucking statements, yeah?

I'm not picking sides here, not until actual evidence is released to support one or the other. At the moment, all we can see is that video. Yeah, the biker gets hit at first and it is his fault, but that is no fucking reason to run him over when he stops. In the video, we can't tell what happens after the initial accident, so again, hold off until we actually do? Maybe, and I know this is insane, but bear with me. Maybe, that just seems like a good idea? Hmm?

 

[ThinRedPaste]

<------ Look at my avatar, I might be called a Judas for what I'm about to say. I think he should have driven over as many of them as he could.

One may be paralysed. Good. What would have been better though, would have been to fuck up many more of them.

I have two bikes. A nice shiny Honda Valkyrie and a post-apoc style ratbike of an old Goldwing. I ride at least one of them pretty much every day, rain or shine, hot or cold. I would have been all over the road in that SUV, going out of my way to run over anything that got within 25 feet of me. You don't fuck with my family and live to post the video on youtube.

As for why the guy took off to begin with: You can see the biker he rear ends looking back at the SUV for some time while braking hard expressly to cause the SUV to either stop or hit him. Being an SUV, it didn't get stopped in time. Prior to that, I don't see any sort of collision or accident, just a swarm of bikers surrounding the vehicle and forcing it to stop, and that was why the first bump happened. Also, look closely between 40 and 50 seconds in, you can see at least one of the bikers swinging at the SUV's driver side. A few seconds later, the guy takes off.

Short version: the bikers caused the accident on purpose, definitely did attack the car afterward, thus presenting a clear and present danger, and the cager reacted accordingly.

And now because of this, I and Custard and everyone else who rides has to be on the lookout for ignorant people who are mad at bikes all over the world. Thanks, assholes.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

That isn't proof, in the slightest sense of the word. That is speculation, or a one-sided report at best. If some of the bikers came out and admitted that was the case, then yeah, sure, but at present? I ain't buying it.

That was the Commissioner's statement regarding the incident. I expect it to hold up.

Somehow I don't think that the guy that cut in front of and then brake-checked the SUV into bumping his tire just politely asked to exchange insurance information and apologized for his and his friends' utterly shitty behavior.

I can't wait to see what they say about the other totally-law-abiding videos these upstanding motorcycle enthusiasts have made. Apparently they are no longer available on youtube to the public, but I trust the authorities have access to them and hope that they take them into consideration.

captcha: Yes. I do eat at Ruby Tuesdays.

Edit:

Also, look closely between 40 and 50 seconds in, you can see at least one of the bikers swinging at the SUV's driver side. A few seconds later, the guy takes off.

and boom! goes the dynamite.

 

[EightGaugeHippo]

Wow, they sure showed the SUV driver how tough they are. It takes real balls to stand up to one person when you are in a group of 50. I have a word for this, I call them "crowd cowards".

This is what I picked up from watching the video:

Just trying to get into the bikers heads at this point...

"I know, I'll drive really slowly in front of this SUV and when it inevitably bumps my tire, I and the 50 other bikers will stop and gather around the SUV to deal righteous justice against such a plainly malicious SUV driver"

And now into the SUV drivers head...

"Ah what a lovely day, oh a group of bikers out on a ride. What's this? One of them has slowed down in front of me and I haven't enough time to come to a complete stop due to the speed I am going . Ooops, I bumped him, wait... they've all stopped. They're all looking at me in an manner that is obviously meant to intimidate me... OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!!!

 

[Ihateregistering1]

Here in Australia, you are supposed to, by law, stop at the scene of an accident. I assume it's the same in America? As I saw it, the bikers stopped, as they are supposed to. Was there any aggressive acts going on? Impossible to tell from the view of the camera.

Oops, biker didn't get out of the way. Well, that's just too bad, the driver's fear and actions were justified.

And that is just absolutely fucking disgusting. So someone's likely misplaced panic justifies running someone over and potentially paralysing or killing them? Like I said, without evidence, there is no way to know if he was justified in his reaction yet. So hold off on making such rash fucking statements, yeah?

I'm not picking sides here, not until actual evidence is released to support one or the other. At the moment, all we can see is that video. Yeah, the biker gets hit at first and it is his fault, but that is no fucking reason to run him over when he stops. In the video, we can't tell what happens after the initial accident, so again, hold off until we actually do? Maybe, and I know this is insane, but bear with me. Maybe, that just seems like a good idea? Hmm?

Read the article:
?They take their helmets and they start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed with a knife,? Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said at a press conference Monday (he was speaking about the initial stop, not after the bikers had chased him).

This is from the Police Commissioner, not a random witness, so we can probably take it as fairly official. In other words, they were quite clearly acting aggressively towards him for what basically started as a minor fender-bender.

Even if they bring SUV guy to court, you'd be hard-pressed to find a jury who won't agree that he acted in a reasonable manner for someone who was surrounded by 30 angry bikers who proceeded to slash his tire(s) and dent his car, and especially considering his wife and kid were in the car with him.

 

[Zeazonal]

I just can't believe this. One man assaulted, another in a coma. This is mob mentality at its best. I was surprised when the man in the SUV did not use the vehicle as a weapon. Though that could only have made thing that much worse. Also why did no one try to stop the attack at the end?

 

[evilneko]

Here in Australia, you are supposed to, by law, stop at the scene of an accident. I assume it's the same in America? As I saw it, the bikers stopped, as they are supposed to. Was there any aggressive acts going on? Impossible to tell from the view of the camera.

Oops, biker didn't get out of the way. Well, that's just too bad, the driver's fear and actions were justified.

And that is just absolutely fucking disgusting. So someone's likely misplaced panic justifies running someone over and potentially paralysing or killing them? Like I said, without evidence, there is no way to know if he was justified in his reaction yet. So hold off on making such rash fucking statements, yeah?

I'm not picking sides here, not until actual evidence is released to support one or the other. At the moment, all we can see is that video. Yeah, the biker gets hit at first and it is his fault, but that is no fucking reason to run him over when he stops. In the video, we can't tell what happens after the initial accident, so again, hold off until we actually do? Maybe, and I know this is insane, but bear with me. Maybe, that just seems like a good idea? Hmm?

According to police and news reports, in that gap in the video the bikers attacked the SUV.

So, you're in a car with your wife and two year old kid, and you're being attacked by a mob of angry bikers. Your only options are floor it or become a victim.

I think I'll go with the first option, thanks.

 

[BathorysGraveland2]

snip

Hmm, I see. I assumed the denting and slashing took place at the end there, when they caught up to him. I see my mistake. Well in light of that, then yeah, I would say the driver is probably justified in taking off and the bikers directly involved in the slashing and assault (so not all of them) should be treated for it in court.

But then again, from here, we still don't necessarily have all the facts. So it'd better to just hold off on shouting out judgement until later.

 

[Kyrinn]

I just can't believe this. One man assaulted, another in a coma. This is mob mentality at its best. I was surprised when the man in the SUV did not use the vehicle as a weapon. Though that could only have made thing that much worse. Also why did no one try to stop the attack at the end?

Partly bystander effect, partly not wanting to become a victim. Would you like to step in against an angry group of bikers? When a mob is out for blood, they don't care who bleeds. One would need to rally enough people to intervene with relative safety, which requires too much effort/initiative for the average bystander.

 

[Weaver]

Aren't they terrorists under American law now?

 

[Leemaster777]

So far pretty much everyone can agree that the guy was not in the wrong for getting out of dodge.

Totally not in the wrong. As a motorcyclist that is always in heavily armoured gear, and with a black visor, I admit we can look a little intimidating (but kids will always wave at me from their back-seats regardless!). Surrounded by a few hundred of them, yep, he didn't overreact.

To be honest though, the States seems to have way more wankers on motorcycles. Wherever I go here in the UK, I've always found bikers to be an amiable bunch, always friendly and chatty, no matter how large a group they're in. These 'stuntz crewz', riding around by the hundred, doing whatever the fuck they want, seems to be a bit of a problem stateside.

These guys aren't proper bikers. They're a fucking stain on the name of our passion.

EDIT : Dose of feelgood anyone?

Spoiler

Don't hold this video as the standard for American bikers. Both of my parents are bikers, and alot of their friends are, too. They're nothing like those miserable cretins in the video. Like you said, they're friendly and chatty, and they even have a yearly charity bike run for breast cancer.

I can sort of understand why the bikers decided to chase after the man when he ran over one of them. Not everyone in the group may have seen everything that occurred. But when they started attacking his car, and when they tore him out of it and beat him within an inch of his life, THAT'S where any remnant of sympathy I have dies.

That man was well within his rights to do everything he did to protect himself and his family.

 

[KeyMaster45]

Aren't they terrorists under American law now?

Pfft, who knows nowadays. That word has lost all meaning it's been used so much in the last decade. From my point of view they're just a bunch of dicks on bikes who deserved to have someone go GTA them.

 

[Weaver]

Aren't they terrorists under American law now?

Pfft, who knows nowadays. That word has lost all meaning it's been used so much in the last decade. From my point of view they're just a bunch of dicks on bikes who deserved to have someone go GTA them.

I think everyone is a terrorist in America now.
Soon everyone will be locked up for all their own good, right?

 

[Souplex]

It kind of bothered me that this was the front page of the Post and not the major government shutdown.

 

[rednose1]

I would've called 911 to let them know what's going down. Also the whole trying to drive away thing as he did. If it gets to the point where I'm about to get dragged out and accosted by 20+ bikers, that's why I conceal carry. He very obviously demonstrated fear for his life, so contact authorities and try to get away, if nothing else to show you exhausted your options before coming to lethal means.

I'd have rolled right over them in that scenario, considering they are threatening me and my child. Or, since this scenario is set in 'Murica, I'd fire a warning shot from the revolver in the glovebox.

I don't know if I would've given a warning shot, heard before warning shots were used in court as proof you didn't fear for your life, as you had the clear mindedness to give warning. Whether true or total bunk I don't know. More importantly, what goes up comes down, and bullets going God knows where in a city is definitely not a good idea.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

fucking hate douchebags like this, you swarm a car like a fucking mob after antagonizing someone, you bet your sweet ass they are going to haul ass when they have a child/significant other in the car, fuck staying there.

I really hope all douchebags who ride bikes (especially in huge amounts like this) see this shit and realize it's not okay and you are not fucking king on the road. I've had bikers be douchebags before on the road but this was over the fucking top, if this were a shit ton of cars (huge fucking road, but bear with me) i'd hope someone would have the same reaction if a bunch of cars stopped to fucking harass you, get the hell out of dodge.

Aren't they terrorists under American law now?

Pfft, who knows nowadays. That word has lost all meaning it's been used so much in the last decade. From my point of view they're just a bunch of dicks on bikes who deserved to have someone go GTA them.

I think everyone is a terrorist in America now.
Soon everyone will be locked up for all their own good, right?

actually, we'll all just send our children to live in the wild with the mongolians since we can't even trust ourselves.

*south park reference*