Bikers attack a SUV on a NYC highway

[luckshot]

As a long time rider myself all I can do here is to quote Will Smith from Men In Black. "Don't start nuthin, there won't be nuthin."

Moral of this story: Fellow riders everywhere, when you go out on the road, think with the thing in your helmet, not the one in your pants.

i personally prefer the ole "avoid stupid people doing stupid things at stupid places at stupid times"
now from what we know it seems the suv driver couldn't really avoid it but the guy that stopped short, the guy that got run over, and those that have been or will be arrested certainly could have

 

[Fireaxe]

People who drive SUVs deserve to be beaten. People who use said SUVs to run over people deserve to be beaten to death.

 

[Qizx]

People who drive SUVs deserve to be beaten. People who use said SUVs to run over people deserve to be beaten to death.

You know, I dislike SUVs quite a bit, but that's just absurd.

 

[ERaptor]

Holy shit... people are saying that it's GOOD a guy will never be able to walk again? Sure, he behaved like a dick... But it's a grand thing he's NEVER GOING TO WALK AGAIN. What? Punish him for being an ass, yeah. Put him behind bars, whatever. But he will never walk again. HE WILL NEVER WALK AGAIN. I do not understand how that is something to be celebrated.

Let's not forget that the details are shaky as fuck. I couldn't see any SUV attacking until the end of the video. Also, this was a very large crowd, not all of them were total dicks, I am assuming. this was a thing that went to far. Some asshole's idea of a joke. And then one asshole got run over and crippled for life. I hate to repeat myself but I think an asshole being crippled for life is a fuck sight worse than a guy being scared.

Man... Celebrating a guy getting crippled. If it turns out he's a murdering rapist, sure. Maybe. But... As far as we know, this is some guy who acts like a dick. Don't celebrate that.

I'd rather say he provoked it. If you play around with fire, you might get burned. And if you drive a bike like a retard you might cause an accident. Even if he himself didnt do aynthing (which i highly doubt), he hung around with those idiots, and look at the moves they were pulling even before going apesh*t on the SUV. I wont say he deserves to get crippled, but i sure as hell wont feel sorry for him either. Karma's a bit*h.

 

[MorphingDragon]

As someone who lives in NYC, it's a really biker-unfriendly place. A lot of drivers are massive assholes and will antagonize bikers. I personally know someone who was riding his motorbike up the middle of two stopped lanes in a traffic jam, and a spiteful person opened his car door to stop my friend, potentially causing an accident if he was going any faster.

That shit is illegal. Your friend does know that right?

Not actually sure if it's illegal for a motorcycle, especially given how many bikers do it, but even if it was that doesn't make it acceptable for civilians to endanger his life in an act of spite.

It is. Someone kindly linked you to the law stating so earlier. Even if it isn't illegal it's sure as hell annoying to deal with.
EDIT: If your friend was going fast enough for hitting the door to "Endanger his life" he was going way too fast to be splitting lanes anyways safely.

It's not safe to split lanes ever.

 

[ERaptor]

Holy shit... people are saying that it's GOOD a guy will never be able to walk again? Sure, he behaved like a dick... But it's a grand thing he's NEVER GOING TO WALK AGAIN. What? Punish him for being an ass, yeah. Put him behind bars, whatever. But he will never walk again. HE WILL NEVER WALK AGAIN. I do not understand how that is something to be celebrated.

Let's not forget that the details are shaky as fuck. I couldn't see any SUV attacking until the end of the video. Also, this was a very large crowd, not all of them were total dicks, I am assuming. this was a thing that went to far. Some asshole's idea of a joke. And then one asshole got run over and crippled for life. I hate to repeat myself but I think an asshole being crippled for life is a fuck sight worse than a guy being scared.

Man... Celebrating a guy getting crippled. If it turns out he's a murdering rapist, sure. Maybe. But... As far as we know, this is some guy who acts like a dick. Don't celebrate that.

I'd rather say he provoked it. If you play around with fire, you might get burned. And if you drive a bike like a retard you might cause an accident. Even if he himself didnt do aynthing (which i highly doubt), he hung around with those idiots, and look at the moves they were pulling even before going apesh*t on the SUV. I wont say he deserves to get crippled, but i sure as hell wont feel sorry for him either. Karma's a bit*h.

He didn't. The guys that fought are in court today. The paralyzed guy did nothing.

"hanging around with idiots" can be another line of logic you can apply to anyone. None of it defensible.

"Oh, he got shot in the face by a stray bullet? Its his fault because he shouldn't have been there."

I can argue the father was a horrible parent that he hung around bikers and should have his parental rights revoked and have his kids put into a better foster home that doesn't hang around bikers.

The worse the crippled guy ever did was have traffic violations on his record. If traffic violations warrant paralyzation, then why don't thieves get their hands cut off and domestic abusers get their balls cut off? And anyone who doesn't pay taxes automatically gets the death penalty?

Oh that's right, because that is some saudi arabia level "justice" that is complete overkill.

Again, i did not say he deserved it. Im saying it's his own damn fault. If the people you drive around with are pulling such stunts, what do you expect? It's actually amazing that there didnt happen anything beforehand.

To pick up your bullet example, no if you are going on in your daily life and get shot by a stray bullet, its not your fault. But if you hang around with people waving guns like its a game, you should've seen it coming.

 

[Scolar Visari]

Holy shit... people are saying that it's GOOD a guy will never be able to walk again? Sure, he behaved like a dick... But it's a grand thing he's NEVER GOING TO WALK AGAIN. What? Punish him for being an ass, yeah. Put him behind bars, whatever. But he will never walk again. HE WILL NEVER WALK AGAIN. I do not understand how that is something to be celebrated.

Let's not forget that the details are shaky as fuck. I couldn't see any SUV attacking until the end of the video. Also, this was a very large crowd, not all of them were total dicks, I am assuming. this was a thing that went to far. Some asshole's idea of a joke. And then one asshole got run over and crippled for life. I hate to repeat myself but I think an asshole being crippled for life is a fuck sight worse than a guy being scared.

Man... Celebrating a guy getting crippled. If it turns out he's a murdering rapist, sure. Maybe. But... As far as we know, this is some guy who acts like a dick. Don't celebrate that.

I'd rather say he provoked it. If you play around with fire, you might get burned. And if you drive a bike like a retard you might cause an accident. Even if he himself didnt do aynthing (which i highly doubt), he hung around with those idiots, and look at the moves they were pulling even before going apesh*t on the SUV. I wont say he deserves to get crippled, but i sure as hell wont feel sorry for him either. Karma's a bit*h.

He didn't. The guys that fought are in court today. The paralyzed guy did nothing.

"hanging around with idiots" can be another line of logic you can apply to anyone. None of it defensible.

"Oh, he got shot in the face by a stray bullet? Its his fault because he shouldn't have been there."

I can argue the father was a horrible parent that he hung around bikers and should have his parental rights revoked and have his kids put into a better foster home that doesn't hang around bikers.

The worse the crippled guy ever did was have traffic violations on his record. If traffic violations warrant paralyzation, then why don't thieves get their hands cut off and domestic abusers get their balls cut off? And anyone who doesn't pay taxes automatically gets the death penalty?

Oh that's right, because that is some saudi arabia level "justice" that is complete overkill.

Again, i did not say he deserved it. Im saying it's his own damn fault. If the people you drive around with are pulling such stunts, what do you expect? It's actually amazing that there didnt happen anything beforehand.

To pick up your bullet example, no if you are going on in your daily life and get shot by a stray bullet, its not your fault. But if you hang around with people waving guns like its a game, you should've seen it coming.

I'm currently trying to track the exacts down, but not having access to a Law Library makes things difficult


Skip to about 6:25 for the short form. Basically says that if you are willingly part of a malicious or violent group or mob, every member of that group shares equally in culpability for whatever may happen. If the person your group is encroaching upon decides to fire a gun at someone in the front of your group, misses the target and ends up striking somebody at the rear of the group then that is legally sound. That person willing assumed the risks and responsibilities of being a part of that group and waived any special protections when they did so.

Now this case isn't as clear cut and perfect, but it certainly fits the mold. The bikers clearly demonstrated an extreme capacity for violence and disregard for the safety of others. A motor vehicle can be defined as a lethal weapon within U.S. law and understanding the dangerous situation he was presented with, the driver of the SUV used his available resources to make an opening and extricate himself the best he could from that situation. It doesn't matter if you weren't the one assaulting the man, you share the responsibility and risks of the group. If the mob had pulled the man from the vehicle and beat him so viciously that he later died from his wounds in the hospital, almost every member of that mob would have been just about as legally responsible for the man's death as those who actually dealt the fatal blows.

Take all of this in stride of course as I am most certainly not a certified legal professional.

 

[Zhukov]

Wow. What a pack of arseholes.

I don't know what I would have done in that situation, but I spent most of that video wishing the driver had started using that vehicle like the fearsome weapon it is. I'd like to think that's what I'd do once the situation got serious, although of course it's oh so very easy to say that from the safety of my keyboard.

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Holy shit... people are saying that it's GOOD a guy will never be able to walk again? Sure, he behaved like a dick... But it's a grand thing he's NEVER GOING TO WALK AGAIN. What? Punish him for being an ass, yeah. Put him behind bars, whatever. But he will never walk again. HE WILL NEVER WALK AGAIN. I do not understand how that is something to be celebrated.

Let's not forget that the details are shaky as fuck. I couldn't see any SUV attacking until the end of the video. Also, this was a very large crowd, not all of them were total dicks, I am assuming. this was a thing that went to far. Some asshole's idea of a joke. And then one asshole got run over and crippled for life. I hate to repeat myself but I think an asshole being crippled for life is a fuck sight worse than a guy being scared.

Man... Celebrating a guy getting crippled. If it turns out he's a murdering rapist, sure. Maybe. But... As far as we know, this is some guy who acts like a dick. Don't celebrate that.

Dude, you watch the video?

Biker cuts the car off in traffic, then intentionally braked in front of it (while looking over his shoulder at the car, totally fucking intentional) and got a bump, cause y'know, fucking physics.

They then surround the car. The guy driving the car has his wife and kid with him and he's surrounded by dozens of aggressive bikers. He takes off, ramming through them (this might be where the injuries were inflicted, I'm not sure EDIT: Yeah, that was it. YOu can see a guy lying on the road afterwards). They chase him along the road and stop him. One of them dismounts and tries to get into the car. The car accelerates through them again. They continue to chase him, until he stops in traffic. They then surround the car and start smashing the windows. The camera cuts out there. Apparently they then dragged him from the car, beat him and slashed him.

And we're supposed to feel sorry for poor little bubba the biker not being able to go for his sunday stroll any more?

HA!

I'm aware this probably makes me sounds like an obnoxious keyboard warrior, but I have not the slightest scrap of pity for the guy.

"He should have stopped"? Yeah, fuck that. That biker should be on his filthy knees thanking the driver for not reversing back over his scummy self for good measure. You surround and threaten an animal protecting its offspring and shit's going to get ugly. Extra ugly if that animal is operating a heavy vehicle at the time. You put your bullying biker arse between that animal and its escape route and you deserve whatever four-wheeled karma comes your way.

 

[Madgamer13]

I suppose it is simple really, the bike that bumped the SUV initially shouldn't have done so, the mob of bikes shouldn't have stopped the SUV, the mob shouldn't have attempted to damage the SUV, the SUV shouldn't have ran over the bikers and the bikers shouldn't have chased the SUV.

It is really simple! Why doesn't anyone understand? None of this should have happened, so only a few conclusions can be reached. Unfortunately, one such conclusion is that this group of bikers were out for blood, considering their intent to chase this SUV down.

I live in the UK, so I have no right to take the lives of such individuals using any type of weapon, but since self defence laws in America are awesomely bias, I admit that I was on the edge of my chair, watching to see if the SUV would go all killing spree on the mob.

Only in America, no doubt we can see why GTA is set in cities that are similar.

As such, I am disappointed. I wanted to see blood and guts all over the highway with mangled bikes strewn all over the place. There are very few other places where this sort of thing would happen and it would be very appropriate for something like that to happen on American soil.

 

[Adultism]

I would side with Trevor in this situation, damn methhead bikers!

More OT: I think this just shows that a group of bikers can do whatever they want on the road, including attack and seriously injure a man. Though I heard this started by the driver of the SUV cutting one of the bikers spines in half when he ran over him, the man is going to be in a coma for the rest of his life, if not dead.

 

[ninjaRiv]

Wow. What a pack of arseholes.

I don't know what I would have done in that situation, but I spent most of that video wishing the driver had started using that vehicle like the fearsome weapon it is. I'd like to think that's what I'd do once the situation got serious, although of course it's oh so very easy to say that from the safety of my keyboard.

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Dude, you watch the video?

Biker cuts the car off in traffic, then intentionally braked in front of it (while looking over his shoulder at the car, totally fucking intentional) and got a bump, cause y'know, fucking physics.

They then surround the car. The guy driving the car has his wife and kid with him and he's surrounded by dozens of aggressive bikers. He takes off, ramming through them (this might be where the injuries were inflicted, I'm not sure EDIT: Yeah, that was it. YOu can see a guy lying on the road afterwards). They chase him along the road and stop him. One of them dismounts and tries to get into the car. The car accelerates through them again. They continue to chase him, until he stops in traffic. They then surround the car and start smashing the windows. The camera cuts out there. Apparently they then dragged him from the car, beat him and slashed him.

And we're supposed to feel sorry for poor little bubba the biker not being able to go for his sunday stroll any more?

HA!

I'm aware this probably makes me sounds like an obnoxious keyboard warrior, but I have not the slightest scrap of pity for the guy.

"He should have stopped"? Yeah, fuck that. That biker should be on his filthy knees thanking the driver for not reversing back over his scummy self for good measure. You surround and threaten an animal protecting its offspring and shit's going to get ugly. Extra ugly if that animal is operating a heavy vehicle at the time. You put your bullying biker arse between that animal and its escape route and you deserve whatever four-wheeled karma comes your way.

I'm not saying anyone should feel sorry for him. I just don't see why we need to celebrate this. This is an incredibly messy situation where nobody is the good guy. Although, yeah, the bikers here are the bad guys it's still not something we should be celebrating.

here's the thing: The guy that got crippled MIGHT NOT BE the one that attacked the SUV in the first place to boot. Details are scarce.

If we want to demonize people we never met, lets say the father was a neo Nazi driving his son to a neo Nazi compound to indoctrinate him and antagonized a black biker on the way. Or taking his son some somewhere to molest him again. Or driving fast because he can't wait to beat his wife at his house again. Or beat both his son and wife while raping both. Or he might be on his way to abandon his kid with his wife and run out on her like a deadbeat.

unnecessary demonization with shaky details goes both ways. If we went with typical stereotypes the bikers are harley riding gang members vs a dead beat dad that beats his wife and rapes his son. After all, the current reputation of fathers in modern society is really bad.

With single mother households being the new normal, someone can easily use that very same logic of blaming someone with a stereotype by saying there are no good fathers anymore.

Hardly an argument to disregard someone's injury. "he most likely did something wrong to deserve it" is the same crap we use to blame rape and molestation victims for christ sake. No details, no stance. Its a group of 50 people. Using these stereotypes to blame people is bad form, because it goes both ways.

Which is what I'm saying, more or less. We don't know exactl;y what happened but what we do know is a guy is now crippled. It just seems crazy to celebrate that, imo.

burned. And if you drive a bike like a retard you might cause an accident. Even if he himself didnt do aynthing (which i highly doubt), he hung around with those idiots, and look at the moves they were pulling even before going apesh*t on the SUV. I wont say he deserves to get crippled, but i sure as hell wont feel sorry for him either. Karma's a bit*h.

Yeah, I see your point and I certainly don't feel sorry for him. But I do think it's harsh he was crippled. And it's especially stupid that people here are saying it's a great thing.

You should watch the other videos of the shit they were doing earlier that day, driving on sidewalks, driving into the oncoming lane of traffic, doing massive u turns with everyone.

The people who didnt want to be involved with assholes and their antics had more than enough time to leave the party, so if they chose to stick with it, and their being retards caught up with them, oh well.

I know they deserved to be punished, that much is clear. they're assholes and I saw the video. Even if some of them were just there because they wanted a good time but didn't approve of the bad stuff, they were still there enjoying it. They could have left, yeah.

 

[Something Amyss]

Without really knowing all the facts, it's hard to take sides.

However, as someone who watches 98% of all cyclists cheerfully ignore all road rules and put everyone else in peril whilst doing so, I'm perfectly willing to assume it's the cyclists' fault.

EDIT: Oh wait these are BIKERS. I assumed it was bike riding cyclists.

Oh well, I still blame cyclists. No doubt there were a couple nearby that could've prevented the whole thing.

Yeah, the cyclists probably caused it. It's part of their plan to make motorists eliminate themselves, Last Man Standing style.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

He didn't. The guys that fought are in court today. The paralyzed guy did nothing.

"hanging around with idiots" can be another line of logic you can apply to anyone. None of it defensible.

"Oh, he got shot in the face by a stray bullet? Its his fault because he shouldn't have been there."

I can argue the father was a horrible parent that he hung around bikers and should have his parental rights revoked and have his kids put into a better foster home that doesn't hang around bikers.

The worse the crippled guy ever did was have traffic violations on his record. If traffic violations warrant paralyzation, then why don't thieves get their hands cut off and domestic abusers get their balls cut off? And anyone who doesn't pay taxes automatically gets the death penalty?

Oh that's right, because that is some saudi arabia level "justice" that is complete overkill.

The paralyzed guy did nothing? Was he just minding his own business when he was standing in front of that particular Range Rover?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

He wasn't directly in front of the range rover, he was in its general direction when the driver gunned it. It went through more than one person. Its a group of 50, the ones that that were touching the range rover was on the side, not front.

The one that brake checked the range rover was in court today. Standing no less.

The paralyzed man was doing nothing, and the only thing he has on his record is driving violations.

You can see him walk up to the Range Rover in the video. He's the guy on the green bike. He wasn't just sitting a few yards away, waiting to get moving again. He got off his bike to help his friend, who was assaulting a scared family.

 

[Ickorus]

This really makes me angry, those bikers are the sort of fucks that give all bikers a bad name and risk lives due to the ill-will they cause between bikers and drivers.

I hope they all have their bikes wrecked.

Just because a person does a thing doesn't mean it's the defining quality of their personality. I always hated that mentality-- like buying a motorcycle adjusts who you are as a person to fit the average traits of everybody who rides motorcycles. I think it's the same sort of mentality tha causes media outlets to shout the same sort of misinformed crap about vidja gurms making children into ball-slashing murderrapists cause some kid with emotional problems somewhere shot his parents after they took away CoD. You'd think gamers would be wiser about making sweeping demographical judgements, but whatever

Except I never made any sweeping generalization about all bikers, just the opposite, in fact, I was bemoaning that assholes like the ones in the video give other bikers a bad name, much the same as I bemoan the wankers screaming slurs down a microphone in a videogame giving us gamers a bad name.

In fact, my own father and younger sister are bikers and I've known plenty of decent bikers in my life to know they aren't all assholes like the ones in the videos (thus my anger at the ones in the video spreading a negative image of bikers to the general public).

But whatever.

I wasn't accusing you of making any generalisations, you just brought up something that always bugged me and I wanted to talk about it a bit.
Tea later?

Ah, the final bit about gamers made me think you were referring to me, I'm sure you can see why I might make that mistake.

Ah well, no harm done.