Bikers attack a SUV on a NYC highway

[luckshot]

I suppose it is simple really, the bike that bumped the SUV initially shouldn't have done so, the mob of bikes shouldn't have stopped the SUV, the mob shouldn't have attempted to damage the SUV, the SUV shouldn't have ran over the bikers and the bikers shouldn't have chased the SUV.

It is really simple! Why doesn't anyone understand? None of this should have happened, so only a few conclusions can be reached. Unfortunately, one such conclusion is that this group of bikers were out for blood, considering their intent to chase this SUV down.

I live in the UK, so I have no right to take the lives of such individuals using any type of weapon, but since self defence laws in America are awesomely bias, I admit that I was on the edge of my chair, watching to see if the SUV would go all killing spree on the mob.

Only in America, no doubt we can see why GTA is set in cities that are similar.

As such, I am disappointed. I wanted to see blood and guts all over the highway with mangled bikes strewn all over the place. There are very few other places where this sort of thing would happen and it would be very appropriate for something like that to happen on American soil.

sorry if i am wrong but i think you brits have some laws on the books for self defense dont you...i didnt spend much time reading that wiki

true you do have to get creative with your 'weapons'...no officer i plan on using this ball-peen hammer on things that need balling and peening

 

[Single Shot]

I suppose it is simple really, the bike that bumped the SUV initially shouldn't have done so, the mob of bikes shouldn't have stopped the SUV, the mob shouldn't have attempted to damage the SUV, the SUV shouldn't have ran over the bikers and the bikers shouldn't have chased the SUV.

It is really simple! Why doesn't anyone understand? None of this should have happened, so only a few conclusions can be reached. Unfortunately, one such conclusion is that this group of bikers were out for blood, considering their intent to chase this SUV down.

I live in the UK, so I have no right to take the lives of such individuals using any type of weapon, but since self defence laws in America are awesomely bias, I admit that I was on the edge of my chair, watching to see if the SUV would go all killing spree on the mob.

Only in America, no doubt we can see why GTA is set in cities that are similar.

As such, I am disappointed. I wanted to see blood and guts all over the highway with mangled bikes strewn all over the place. There are very few other places where this sort of thing would happen and it would be very appropriate for something like that to happen on American soil.

sorry if i am wrong but i think you brits have some laws on the books for self defense dont you...i didnt spend much time reading that wiki

true you do have to get creative with your 'weapons'...no officer i plan on using this ball-peen hammer on things that need balling and peening

In the UK we use a system of mutual escalation or equal force. That means that you can use a weapon equal to what is used against you in self-defence but using anything more is a crime.
E.G. using that hammer against someone with a knife is fine because you would both have melee weapons of a deadly nature.
The problem with this situation is that a several ton SUV would be seen as potentially more deadly than the bikers helmets + some blades described as 'small penknives'. our juries are also less likely to take into account surrounding conditions than American courts. That being said the driver would be charged here, maybe sued for personal injury by the paralyzed man or his family though. It's depressingly common how often a criminal sues because he broke a leg/arm robbing someone or running from the police here.


Also. Mad. you do know that GTA is made by a Scottish company. if crazy-ass-violent-drunken shit is what you're looking for Scotland is most definitely the place to go, not America. (That's not a bad thing, I love Scotland)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2074077.stm
^^ homeowner jailed for overwhelming force then sued for injuring another. Sorry it's an old article but it was the first Google result.

 

[luckshot]

I suppose it is simple really, the bike that bumped the SUV initially shouldn't have done so, the mob of bikes shouldn't have stopped the SUV, the mob shouldn't have attempted to damage the SUV, the SUV shouldn't have ran over the bikers and the bikers shouldn't have chased the SUV.

It is really simple! Why doesn't anyone understand? None of this should have happened, so only a few conclusions can be reached. Unfortunately, one such conclusion is that this group of bikers were out for blood, considering their intent to chase this SUV down.

I live in the UK, so I have no right to take the lives of such individuals using any type of weapon, but since self defence laws in America are awesomely bias, I admit that I was on the edge of my chair, watching to see if the SUV would go all killing spree on the mob.

Only in America, no doubt we can see why GTA is set in cities that are similar.

As such, I am disappointed. I wanted to see blood and guts all over the highway with mangled bikes strewn all over the place. There are very few other places where this sort of thing would happen and it would be very appropriate for something like that to happen on American soil.

sorry if i am wrong but i think you brits have some laws on the books for self defense dont you...i didnt spend much time reading that wiki

true you do have to get creative with your 'weapons'...no officer i plan on using this ball-peen hammer on things that need balling and peening

In the UK we use a system of mutual escalation or equal force. That means that you can use a weapon equal to what is used against you in self-defence but using anything more is a crime.
E.G. using that hammer against someone with a knife is fine because you would both have melee weapons of a deadly nature.
The problem with this situation is that a several ton SUV would be seen as potentially more deadly than the bikers helmets + some blades described as 'small penknives'. our juries are also less likely to take into account surrounding conditions than American courts. That being said the driver would be charged here, maybe sued for personal injury by the paralyzed man or his family though. It's depressingly common how often a criminal sues because he broke a leg/arm robbing someone or running from the police here.


Also. Mad. you do know that GTA is made by a Scottish company. if crazy-ass-violent-drunken shit is what you're looking for Scotland is most definitely the place to go, not America. (That's not a bad thing, I love Scotland)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2074077.stm
^^ homeowner jailed for overwhelming force then sued for injuring another. Sorry it's an old article but it was the first Google result.

ahh thanks for clearing that up, strangely in a state over 1800 miles or more than 2800 kilometers from oceans we dont get many cases dealing with british law

and i think in america we had a case where a home owner was sued when the burglar hurt himself...here it is http://overlawyered.com/2006/09/the-burglar-and-the-skylight-another-debunking-that-isnt/ this one a kid is stealing floodlights off the school and falls through a sky light

edit: to add that self defense laws in the states can be confusing as that is a state issue and not generally looked at by the overarching federal government.

many states have a "stand your ground law" that generally say that if you are in a place you are legally allowed to be, you can defend yourself if you feel that your life or serious injury is imminent

other states might use a "duty to retreat" which basically means if there is any way you can avoid/escape you need to do so

but again pretty much every state has its own flavor and i dont feel like looking up 50 states self defense laws...pretty sure i get on some kind of watch list then

 

[Cpu46]

Yeah, I ain't seeing the same thing everyone else is. After watching the video, I saw a slight accident and the bikers stop to confront the guy about it. So his reaction is to just to floor it over them? You can hardly blame them for being pissed off about that. This really stinks to me of the driver thinking "These guys are bikers, they're evil" and reacting poorly.

Of course, the bikers reacted poorly as well by giving chase. They should have taken the guys license plate and called the police instead, so it seems like neither side is really "right" here.

I could be wrong though, all I'm saying is what I saw in that video. Do we actually have any solid evidence that they were going to threaten the guy before he ran over them? After an accident, you are supposed to remain at the scene after all. From as far back as the camera is, all we can see is the bikers stopped and that is it.

Ok let me just say that while I do agree that a lot is left to be seen from this I do have to say that the first guy the SUV hit was looking behind him the entire time he decelerated up until he made contact with the SUV. That does not say "accident" to me by any means.

I do see the reactions of both sides.

So from the drivers perspective, a biker just seemed to purposefully slow down until he hits you and now a group of 25+ bikers have stopped and now surround your vehicle with your wife and son inside.

From the rest of the bikers perspective, one of your buddies has stopped, seemingly hit by an SUV driver. That SUV then runs over several bikes and critically injures your buddy.

Neither side is in the right but I will say that I sympathize more with the driver since he had his family with him, seemed to be the victim of an innocuous prank turned sour, and his reaction is pretty justifiable given the circumstances.

In the end he hurt a biker out of fear and panic while the bikers hurt him out of anger.

 

[The White Hunter]

Without really knowing all the facts, it's hard to take sides.

However, as someone who watches 98% of all cyclists cheerfully ignore all road rules and put everyone else in peril whilst doing so, I'm perfectly willing to assume it's the cyclists' fault.

EDIT: Oh wait these are BIKERS. I assumed it was bike riding cyclists.

Oh well, I still blame cyclists. No doubt there were a couple nearby that could've prevented the whole thing.

I hear ya on the cyclists, both as a pedestrian and a driver they've nearly caused me many accidents. Be it ignoring erd lights as i cross and then swearing at me when they hit me, or be it swerving around the outside of my car as I pull out of a junction.

 

[evilneko]

So from the drivers perspective, a biker just seemed to purposefully slow down until he hits you and now a group of 25+ bikers have stopped and now surround your vehicle with your wife and son inside.

From the rest of the bikers perspective, one of your buddies has stopped, seemingly hit by an SUV driver. That SUV then runs over several bikes and critically injures your buddy.

Neither side is in the right but I will say that I sympathize more with the driver since he had his family with him, seemed to be the victim of an innocuous prank turned sour, and his reaction is pretty justifiable given the circumstances.

In the end he hurt a biker out of fear and panic while the bikers hurt him out of anger.

However, taking into account the fact that the bikers were attacking his car after the biker caused the accident puts the SUV driver fully in the right.

 

[mad825]

I like the fact that the biker on the red/white motorbike moved to the side and got clear before the SUV accelerated at 00:48. "Yeah, fuck this, I'm getting out of the way".

You sir have earned a common sense medal in my books for what it's worth.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

Aren't they terrorists under American law now?

Oh everyone's a terrorist under american law. They just need an excuse [/sarcasm]

On topic, no one died which is always positive. Gang mentality at it's best, sad thing is most of those probably weren't even bad people they just didn't want to go against the group.

 

[Kavic86]

Aren't they terrorists under American law now?

Oh everyone's a terrorist under american law. They just need an excuse [/sarcasm]

On topic, no one died which is always positive. Gang mentality at it's best, sad thing is most of those probably weren't even bad people they just didn't want to go against the group.

Yeah I'm glad no one died to. But whats crazy is how a lot of the media is trying to victimize the Bikers who got injured. Like they didn't know what would or could have happened. The good news is that the cops are ruling it a accident and the "Biker" who provoked the indecent is being charged, not the SUV driver. I'll try to find the link of that for here later.

 

[Miss G.]

Aren't they terrorists under American law now?

Oh everyone's a terrorist under american law. They just need an excuse [/sarcasm]

On topic, no one died which is always positive. Gang mentality at it's best, sad thing is most of those probably weren't even bad people they just didn't want to go against the group.

Yeah I'm glad no one died to. But whats crazy is how a lot of the media is trying to victimize the Bikers who got injured. Like they didn't know what would or could have happened. The good news is that the cops are ruling it a accident and the "Biker" who provoked the indecent is being charged, not the SUV driver. I'll try to find the link of that for here later.

I found one dealing with the 'victimization' of the paralyzed biker guy, the comment section is ... an interesting read to say the least.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/04/20820832-undercover-cop-was-on-scene-when-bikers-beat-range-rover-driver-officials#comments

 

[Kavic86]

Thats good i just read another article about how they are trying to find more of the suspects who participated. http://gma.yahoo.com/police-release-photo-person-interest-alleged-suv-driver-180842566--abc-news-topstories.html

capcha oh wait

 

[Mzuark]

So I really don't know who to back. On one hand, a guy is paralyzed but on the other that was a family in that SUV.

And apparently, there's race involved. Which I was hoping wouldn't be a factor.

 

[evilneko]

So I really don't know who to back. On one hand, a guy is paralyzed but on the other that was a family in that SUV.

And apparently, there's race involved. Which I was hoping wouldn't be a factor.

Well it's not like the SUV driver had any choice...

Also: apparently one of the riders was an undercover cop. Also Redux: said rider took part in the attack. Also Cubed: Brake-check guy lies.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/07/bike-cop-joined-in-on-suv-beatdown-video-reveals/

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

Kind of poetic, really. A pack of guys riding around on motorcycles, free as the wind blows, thinking they can intimidate some square family man in an SUV. They fail to realize that being a husband and a father can, in the proper circumstances, turn you into the most fearsome person on the planet.