Bill O'Reilly defends Ellen DeGeneres

[The_root_of_all_evil]

He, undoubtedly, believes in equality like every other sane human being.

Citation stated. There are more, but following the links will get you them.

The fact that you are so extremely lazy in your thought processes and argument is entirely offensive to me. You disgust me, grow up.

Well, you're Lazier than Thou. By the way, "grow up" failed to work on me 20 years ago.

I don't know what that has to do with Glenn Beck,

You don't know what Glenn Beck has to do with Fox News?

By extension Fox News is becoming a better place by being dragged by their wallet to the obvious right decisions.

Nice. Pay people to have the "right" decisions.

After all, it's hard to make your ideological opponents into ridiculous caricatures...

...when they do such a great job on their own.

 

[BodomBeachChild]

I like Bill. My father is a Fox News flunkie and I try so hard to stop it. I don't agree with a lot of Fox says because their extreme views on subjects (even if it is a legit problem) but Bill is one of my favorite broadcasters, and Napolitino isn't too bad, but this is a shock for Bill to say "Hey, she's gay. So?" That is so backwards from Fox it's great.

He never agrees with being gay but he makes it a point that in America you should not be fired for being gay. It's her life, and not ours and we have no grounds to judge otherwise. I agree in full. No, you may not like the fact that she's gay but that's tough shit. If other conservatives would open their eyes and share this view maybe they'd stop looking like intolerable Nazi's.

 

[lacktheknack]

Everyone's panic is delicious.

There's virtually no one who won't agree with you at least once, but apparently, people on the internet don't understand such a bizarre concept.

This isn't the first time either. If I recall, he was against the California video game law. And everyone acted all shocked then.

I remember the same terrified reactions when Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck opposed it, too. I didn't expect anything else from Rush and Glenn, it's kind of what they stand for...

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

He, undoubtedly, believes in equality like every other sane human being.

-snip-

Citation stated. There are more, but following the links will get you them.

Okay, here's the problem: I'm excessively dense. I don't say that because I was wrong and you're right and you showed me the error of my ways. I say that because I don't grasp subtlety. It's a problem I've suffered with all my life and has negatively impacted many of my personal relationships. It's an issue I try to resolve, but I'm a very literal person so it's rather difficult.

Where, specifically, did he advocate that gays should have fewer rights than straights? I didn't see it, I didn't hear it, I don't understand it. You're going to have to spell it out, because I'm not into victim-mongering and I don't read that "code."

In the first clip he says that you shouldn't mingle two groups of people that might be opposed to one another. Yeah, he's blowing things out of proportion, but that's what people on the News do. The news world would be boring if someone just had to announce "gay people and straight people attended an event and no one got hurt. There were ruffled feathers, but it wasn't a big deal." Controversy is what gets ratings, not people getting along at an event.

Where did he advocate that gays should not be treated as equals? Did I miss the part when he said they weren't human beings?

Yeah, he's wrong that gays and families shouldn't co-mingle at an event like this. But that's why I don't watch him.

The second clip was about gay marriage ban in California. So what? I don't get it, I don't see it. What did I miss?

The fact that you are so extremely lazy in your thought processes and argument is entirely offensive to me. You disgust me, grow up.

Well, you're Lazier than Thou. By the way, "grow up" failed to work on me 20 years ago.

Personally, if people had been telling me to grow up for two decades I'd start to think maybe I should improve myself. Maybe that's just me, though.

I don't know what that has to do with Glenn Beck,

You don't know what Glenn Beck has to do with Fox News?

A year ago I would have. He had a show back then on Fox. I don't know if you're aware of it or not, though, but he walked away(was fired?) from the deal back...last year? I don't know, google results are inconclusive and I'm not digging through pages of nonsense just to arrive at a specific date. I don't care enough to find it. Is he a contributor? I admit that I haven't watched Fox for quite a while so I have no clue as to how often he appears. Is it frequent?

By extension Fox News is becoming a better place by being dragged by their wallet to the obvious right decisions.

Nice. Pay people to have the "right" decisions.

Better than re-education camps.

Capitalism as a means for political correctness. Ain't it grand?

 

[lacktheknack]

Perhaps he isn't retarded like Glenn Beck... can we talk about Glenn Beck and how retarded he is now? No? Fine.

OT : Good for him. It is always nice to see mainstream media speaking out against things like this.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/02/07/glenn-defends-ellen-degeneres/

Hopefully your head didn't explode.

 

[axlryder]

He, undoubtedly, believes in equality like every other sane human being.

Citation stated. There are more, but following the links will get you them.

The fact that you are so extremely lazy in your thought processes and argument is entirely offensive to me. You disgust me, grow up.

Well, you're Lazier than Thou. By the way, "grow up" failed to work on me 20 years ago.

I don't know what that has to do with Glenn Beck,

You don't know what Glenn Beck has to do with Fox News?

By extension Fox News is becoming a better place by being dragged by their wallet to the obvious right decisions.

Nice. Pay people to have the "right" decisions.

After all, it's hard to make your ideological opponents into ridiculous caricatures...

...when they do such a great job on their own.

to be fair, I partially get where he's coming from in that first video. While the underlying motivation for his position may have been pure bias (a motivation reflected by his phrasing and some of the things he blatantly said), there is a potential misstep in hosting "children's night" the same night you're hosting any "x couples night". On the flip side, it's a baseball game so obviously people should be aware it's a family environment regardless of what "night" it is. Of course, one could argue the point that, baseball being a family oriented event, there's no reason for them to have an event exclusively geared towards adult relationships in the first place, at least not on "kids night". An obvious counter-point might be that just because the relationships are adult oriented doesn't mean there's anything overtly sexual going on or that such behavior would be deemed appropriate by anyone, it's not like people are going to be screwing in their seats. Though, where one draws the line for "appropriate" (regardless of orientation) is different for everyone and could spiral into a whole different debate. Ultimately, I'd think it would boil down to someone feeling uncomfortable with the fact that "X couples night" would increase the likelihood of their kids seeing somewhat drunk people making out in the bleachers or having their kids exposed to potentially vulgar dialogue. But seriously, it's a baseball game, that'd probably happen either way (though I'm not necessarily saying that's appropriate). Ultimately I imagine the whole "kids night thing" is being blown out of proportion, as the free hat deal was likely just an off handed gesture more so than a calculated promotion. If anything it's worth some minor controversy and certainly not newsworthy, but I can understand someone being a bit put off by that and I wouldn't consider them a raving homophobe by default for feeling that way. Of course, the fact that gays are being singled out here and that the fact that they're "gay" is being seen as an issue is both ridiculous and par for the course on fox.

However, I don't think that video is strong evidence against his position on "equal rights" as he said right at the end "have your gay night, just not on children's night". Second video either. That video was literally just about redefining marriage (prop 8). They made it clear in that video that they desired equal rights under a domestic partnership to be given to gay couples, merely that they didn't want to define it as marriage. Petty? Maybe. Perhaps even promoting segregation. But it still has little to do with "equal rights".

 

[Griffolion]

Wow. I never thought the day would come where I can truly say "I agree with Bill O'Reilly".

So the story is basically that Ellen was hired as a spokesperson for some random company. Then came the organization One Million Moms and voice their concern for "Gay propaganda" and demanded Ellen DeGeneres to be fired from her position as a spokesperson. What Bill says can be viewed in the video.

All I could think of was "I wish he was on our side". What a powerful ally he would've made.
I know people at the escapist hate the Fox New and everything that has to do with them, but this video really opened my eyes up.

http://youtu.be/qHEVu64pZsA

I don't know if this has been posted before. If it has, then I apologize. I made a search here and found nothing of it.

I can't exactly remember what it was about before, but I have found myself agreeing with O'Reilly before. Don't get me wrong, on the whole I really don't like him and he seriously needs to come off the air, but I guess even the most wrong of people can't ALWAYS get it wrong.

Good for him, then. I don't understand why these mothers hate gay people so much... maybe I'll send them a letter or something. Pricks...

Two words, my friend, "Fundamentalist Christians".

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

You see, I think Bill O'Reilly is probably the best news reporter on Fox. Sure, he's argumentative, stubborn, doesn't know certain things, and doesn't like liberals at all (Like almost everyone else on Fox), but at least he has the decency to defend people. If this were Glenn Beck, he'd be on the "One Million Moms" side. I applaud Bill for defending Ellen DeGeneres (Although I don't like her show at all)

there is good reason to not like liberals

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

to be fair, I partially get where he's coming from in that first video.

He may have a point behind his rhetoric. But given that he wants to keep children away from perfectly well-adjusted adults; it's hardly lazy to think there's an ulterior motive there.

So, belief in equality? Unlikely, isn't it?

And this is days after Glenn Beck defended her? Equally a "different rights for gay people" announcer.

It's a very interesting time to be having these views. Especially with 0:18 in the second video.

Very interesting indeed. Especially as 0:42 would have been a perfect time to say "Now, I think there's nothing wrong with civil partnerships".

I mean, it's not like J.C.Penney's have anything new...

On February 1, 2012, JCPenney began a new pricing method, with "Every Day" prices on most days reflecting what used to be sale prices, "Monthly Value" for certain items every month in place of sales, and "Best Price" two Fridays each month, tied to paydays.

That's interesting... So, let's recap -

Ron Johnson (ex SVP of Apple) sold stock options on Halloween, (Oh wait, that's the lazy research I've been doing) for a massive profit, jumped to J.C. Penney's in November, started a whole new campaign after they lost out to Macy's in the Christmas rush.

The campaign started on the 1st, the Ellen scandal hit on the 2nd, Fox prints glowing report on the 5th, Beck (ex-Fox) goes against perceived character on the 7th, Ellen puts on her programme on the 8th, O'Reilly jumps against perceived character on the 9th.

One Million Mums, however, are part of the AFA, "and owns 180 American Family Radio stations in 28 states."

So, they're an extreme right wing organisation with wide spread among the media, and have been labelled a hate group in November 2010.

Both Bill videos are pre 2010.

Even if you're not into the whole idea of conspiracies to defraud; isn't there a lot of interesting correlations between the benefits such a pairing of J.C.Penney's and FOX News against a known hate group that has multiple media outlets?

8 days, 3 glowing reviews, 180 stations to snatch up, lots of new customers who defend J.C.Penney with their new price promise...

/Littlejohn
You couldn't make this stuff up.

 

[axlryder]

to be fair, I partially get where he's coming from in that first video.

He may have a point behind his rhetoric. But given that he wants to keep children away from perfectly well-adjusted adults; it's hardly lazy to think there's an ulterior motive there.

So, belief in equality? Unlikely, isn't it?

And this is days after Glenn Beck defended her? Equally a "different rights for gay people" announcer.

It's a very interesting time to be having these views. Especially with 0:18 in the second video.

Very interesting indeed. Especially as 0:42 would have been a perfect time to say "Now, I think there's nothing wrong with civil partnerships".

I mean, it's not like J.C.Penney's have anything new...

On February 1, 2012, JCPenney began a new pricing method, with "Every Day" prices on most days reflecting what used to be sale prices, "Monthly Value" for certain items every month in place of sales, and "Best Price" two Fridays each month, tied to paydays.

That's interesting... So, let's recap -

Ron Johnson (ex SVP of Apple) sold stock options on Halloween, (Oh wait, that's the lazy research I've been doing) for a massive profit, jumped to J.C. Penney's in November, started a whole new campaign after they lost out to Macy's in the Christmas rush.

The campaign started on the 1st, the Ellen scandal hit on the 2nd, Fox prints glowing report on the 5th, Beck (ex-Fox) goes against perceived character on the 7th, Ellen puts on her programme on the 8th, O'Reilly jumps against perceived character on the 9th.

One Million Mums, however, are part of the AFA, "and owns 180 American Family Radio stations in 28 states."

So, they're an extreme right wing organisation with wide spread among the media, and have been labelled a hate group in November 2010.

Both Bill videos are pre 2010.

Even if you're not into the whole idea of conspiracies to defraud; isn't there a lot of interesting correlations between the benefits such a pairing of J.C.Penney's and FOX News against a known hate group that has multiple media outlets?

I wasn't really talking about your hypothesis as to whether or not Fox news is in cahoots with J.C. Penny to ride the wave of liberalism for profit, merely Bill's position on equal rights. However, he never overtly says in either of those videos that he doesn't want equal rights. Again, he said "have your gay night". It's not about keeping children away from well adjusted adults (though I'd say it seems apparent that Bill doesn't believe they're well adjusted), it's about having children's night on a night also reserved for adult relationships. There is an increased likelihood that potential "inappropriate" behavior (regardless of gender) will be displayed on such nights. He was also saying it was insensitive to conservative families who might take issue with that sort of thing. I find the "sexually repressed" bit to be insulting though, it treats gays as if they have no self control or that they have warped psyches. It seems obvious that he personally objects to gays and that he's highly biased, but I don't think he's against equal rights. Though, this is really just going off from the 4 or so videos I've seen of Bill. In all of them he never actually objects to equal rights for gays.

as to your interesting conjecture, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. Fox news has never had a lot of integrity, why would they change now?

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

However, he never overtly says in either of those videos that he doesn't want equal rights.

He never overtly says anything. He does compare gay people to terrorists; and then asks why Muslims can kill gays while Christians can't?

Equally, I'm not saying that Bill O'Reilly is anti-gay, that's just how he's perceived.

as to your interesting conjecture, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. Fox news has never had a lot of integrity, why would they change now?

Because they may change tack, given what's happened to the other arm of Murdoch's Journalism. That doesn't mean they're not still working the truths. Or that Beck still isn't "employed" by them.

 

[axlryder]

However, he never overtly says in either of those videos that he doesn't want equal rights.

He never overtly says anything. He does compare gay people to terrorists; and then asks why Muslims can kill gays while Christians can't?

Equally, I'm not saying that Bill O'Reilly is anti-gay, that's just how he's perceived.

as to your interesting conjecture, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. Fox news has never had a lot of integrity, why would they change now?

Because they may change tack, given what's happened to the other arm of Murdoch's Journalism. That doesn't mean they're not still working the truths. Or that Beck still isn't "employed" by them.

haha, nice vids. Those do seem a bit more condemning, I'll admit. Still though, I think the man is for equals rights. I think he's just biased against gays. I really do hate watching videos in which the video poster puts commentary over the video though. We can see what's happening, we don't need you to spoon feed us your perspective.

Also, what I mean is that they've never had a lot of integrity as an objective news source. Them going along with this little scheme really just seems par for the course. Though, again, I don't want to try and make an concrete statements about either J.C. or Fox and their potential dealings with one another.

 

[BOOM headshot65]

You see, THIS is why I like Bill O'Rielly. Sure, he has some stuff I dont agree with him on, but the gap is so tiny it doesnt matter.


On A side note, WHY does everyone on here hate the man? Glenn Beck, Heck yah, the man was a nut and needed to go. But really, O'Rielly is a good commentaters, and lightyears better than most other Fox commentaters.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

You see, I think Bill O'Reilly is probably the best news reporter on Fox. Sure, he's argumentative, stubborn, doesn't know certain things, and doesn't like liberals at all (Like almost everyone else on Fox), but at least he has the decency to defend people. If this were Glenn Beck, he'd be on the "One Million Moms" side. I applaud Bill for defending Ellen DeGeneres (Although I don't like her show at all)

there is good reason to not like liberals

Yeah, I know that. I myself am not a Liberal, I am a Libertarian. I just don't like Fox or the Current Republican Party.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Glenn Beck, Heck yah, the man was a nut and needed to go.

If this were Glenn Beck, he'd be on the "One Million Moms" side.

Beck supported Ellen. Two days before.

Where is your God now?

 

[Something Amyss]

Again, when you look at independent research, it is clear that across the board news organizations appear to report subjects, twist the truth, or flat out "lie" in order to further certain agendas (normally those of the adverts).

First, I applaud you for making personal attacks and then editing them out so what's in my inbox is completely different from what's posted here. Bravo.

Second, this statement specifically stuck out. What "independent research?" I've only ever seen two pieces of "research" that come close to what you say, both citing the same source, both hardly "independent."

Go on, come up with some source, instead of some vague "when you look at the independent research" cop-out.

Option 1 (boycotting) is what O'Reilly thinks they should be doing. Option 2 (being pains in the ass) is what they are doing. He is fine with them boycotting.

Option 2 is also boycotting. So you're pro-boycott but against boycotts.

 

[Sejs Cube]

I don't think I ever would have seen this had I not had the opportunity to see Bill O'Reilly outside of his normal environment on Fox, but Bill's actually not that bad of a guy. Watch him when he does some interviews on the Daily Show, for example. You get the chance to see past the pundit veneer when he's not on the job.

Good for him speaking up on Ellen's behalf. It's a shame he's so carefully managed; I think he'd get a lot more respect if he were allowed to speak his own opinions more often. I mean yeah that guy's still a conservative, but it's all wrapped up in so much persona at this point that it can be hard to sift through.


Also, it really should be pointed out, but Sandy Rios' face is terrifying in that clip. Content of her comments aside, but from the moment she appears she looks like some sort of particularly smug reptile.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

You see, I think Bill O'Reilly is probably the best news reporter on Fox. Sure, he's argumentative, stubborn, doesn't know certain things, and doesn't like liberals at all (Like almost everyone else on Fox), but at least he has the decency to defend people. If this were Glenn Beck, he'd be on the "One Million Moms" side. I applaud Bill for defending Ellen DeGeneres (Although I don't like her show at all)

there is good reason to not like liberals

Yeah, I know that. I myself am not a Liberal, I am a Libertarian. I just don't like Fox or the Current Republican Party.

fair enough, I'm a moderate so no hard feelings.

 

[Lilani]

Bill O`Rielly wasn't really defending Ellen though, or anything related to homosexuality. He was defending JC Penny and it's freedom to select employees. I'm sure if the corporation chose to fire Ellen for being a homosexual he would defend that too since his argument is for free enterpise.
The underlying point though is that even the most polar opposite people will inevitably agree on some issues. The world isn't black and white.

You sort of take what you can get with BillO ;-P I simply like the fact that he would make the distinction and not be like those other conservatives who take swings at homosexuality in any way they can.

 

[BOOM headshot65]

Glenn Beck, Heck yah, the man was a nut and needed to go.

Beck supported Ellen. Two days before.

Where is your God now?

And what, exactly does God have to do with this.

I say Beck is a nut for WAY more substancial reasons though. He is the face of the Tea Party (while O'Rielly is a "Traditionalist"), and he believed in the Illumnitari conspiracy. That alone is enough to make we shun him. Even my bus driver, who watches pretty much nothing but fox news and is Pretty far right (but not as right as the tea party) didnt even like Beck.