BioShock 2 DRM Explained

[ThrobbingEgo]

It may have changed but games like Farcy 2 do run shit in the background, how do I know? I installed the bloody game and it's clear as day in the process tree. If it HAS changed, it hasn't changed that it's still a anti-consumer software that does not fight piracy at all.

I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore, be smug all you want, install what you want on your PC.

So you really have no idea what DRM even is, but you saw one program do something sketchy and now all DRM is the devil?

There are logically sound reasons not to like it, especially with music and movies which I may want to play on something other than iTunes, but a disc check and what amounts to a pin for online play? That isn't insane. What do you think the XBox does?

 

[UnravThreads]

If BioShock 2 is anything like FO3 and GTAIV, I have news... You won't have to sign in unless you want to play Multiplayer.

This news doesn't register with me at all, mainly because I'm buying the Steam version and secondly because GFWL doesn't really bother me in the slightest.

 

[Snotnarok]

It may have changed but games like Farcy 2 do run shit in the background, how do I know? I installed the bloody game and it's clear as day in the process tree. If it HAS changed, it hasn't changed that it's still a anti-consumer software that does not fight piracy at all.

I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore, be smug all you want, install what you want on your PC.

So you really have no idea what DRM even is, but you saw one program do something sketchy and now all DRM is the devil?

There are logically sound reasons not to like it, especially with music and movies which I may want to play on something other than iTunes, but a disc check and what amounts to a pin for online play? That isn't insane. What do you think the XBox does?

Okay I'm confused here, I know what DRM is. They've changed it is all, that doesn't make me wrong about DRM considering they haven't changed the DRM on the older games, so what's to miss about this? The reasons I do not like it is because it limits the installs I have on a game, I have games that are 12 years old that I still play.

12 years from now I could run out of installs or the servers could simply not be there. And it's easier than they say it is to run out of installs, change your ram? That's an install, add a new drive? That's an install too. THAT is why I hate it, it limits something that I bought. Xbox live doesn't limit what you install to your system, XBLA games are linked to your email. They say it targets pirates but they just remove it and play happily while the consumer is the asshole and left with a game they can't play because they chose to support the bloody thing. I could have pirated your game but I chose to buy it to support games like it and I get boned?

They don't list anywhere on the box that DRM is there, perhaps now they've started, I heard they did for Riddick but I wound up getting it for 360 anyway.

 

[300lb. Samoan]

Seems like this copyright system will really throw a wrench in second-hand sales of the game. I can't tell if they're saying it can be activated on 15 Games-for-Windows accounts or if one GfWl account can activate it on 15 different systems/hardware configs.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

It may have changed but games like Farcy 2 do run shit in the background, how do I know? I installed the bloody game and it's clear as day in the process tree. If it HAS changed, it hasn't changed that it's still a anti-consumer software that does not fight piracy at all.

I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore, be smug all you want, install what you want on your PC.

So you really have no idea what DRM even is, but you saw one program do something sketchy and now all DRM is the devil?

There are logically sound reasons not to like it, especially with music and movies which I may want to play on something other than iTunes, but a disc check and what amounts to a pin for online play? That isn't insane. What do you think the XBox does?

Okay I'm confused here, I know what DRM is. They've changed it is all, that doesn't make me wrong about DRM considering they haven't changed the DRM on the older games, so what's to miss about this? The reasons I do not like it is because it limits the installs I have on a game, I have games that are 12 years old that I still play.

Now if you had said that from the beginning, that would be valid. Except that has nothing to do with Bioshock 2. The limits in Bioshock 2 only apply to online multiplayer, which won't work anyway if the Windows Live service (which is who you'd contact if you ran out of installs) is closed.

Yeah, have fun not playing Bioshock 2.

 

[Chirez]

From a practical standpoint it's worth getting worked up because it will not work.
I remember the original bioshock, and the horrors I went through to get it working.
Never again, if I want to play 2 I'll do it without securom, thankyou.

[edit] Oh, yeah and if you say GFWL is only for mp, no. You cannot save without being logged into GFWL, so MS basically hold your savegames hostage, not nice. Not useful and certainly not necessary either.
I miss the days when savegames had a savegame folder inside the game folder, rather than being handed over to windows' ridiculous filing system.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Putting sequins on your flip-flops won't hide the fact that they are flip-flops.

GFWL is just as obtrusive and bloatfull as securerom is.

 

[Snotnarok]

It may have changed but games like Farcy 2 do run shit in the background, how do I know? I installed the bloody game and it's clear as day in the process tree. If it HAS changed, it hasn't changed that it's still a anti-consumer software that does not fight piracy at all.

I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore, be smug all you want, install what you want on your PC.

So you really have no idea what DRM even is, but you saw one program do something sketchy and now all DRM is the devil?

There are logically sound reasons not to like it, especially with music and movies which I may want to play on something other than iTunes, but a disc check and what amounts to a pin for online play? That isn't insane. What do you think the XBox does?

Okay I'm confused here, I know what DRM is. They've changed it is all, that doesn't make me wrong about DRM considering they haven't changed the DRM on the older games, so what's to miss about this? The reasons I do not like it is because it limits the installs I have on a game, I have games that are 12 years old that I still play.

Now if you had said that from the beginning, that would be valid. Except that has nothing to do with Bioshock 2. The limits in Bioshock 2 only apply to online multiplayer, which won't work anyway if the Windows Live service (which is who you'd contact if you ran out of installs) is closed.

Yeah, have fun not playing Bioshock 2.

The point is, they're limiting you anyway. And they're still under the guise of it's anti-piracy.

Have fun supporting a product with DRM in it.

 

[SimuLord]

SecuROM disc checking I can live with. I don't like it, not since I've been spoiled by Steam's very reasonable DRM, but I can live with it.

Activation/install limits can put a game off my list of games to buy.

 

[atalanta]

There's more to it than activation limits. I for one don't want Games for Windows Live. Won't use it, won't buy a game that requires it. SecuRom is just another nail in a long-buried coffin.

Its true, Games for Windows Live is what hurts the most.

Its just such a pointless yet terribly intrusive piece of software. I swear MS must be paying developers big money to put that shit in their games, no sane devs would voluntarily use it.

This, a million times this. I can deal with SecuROM if I have to, I can deal with activation limits if I have to, but being forced to use GFWL makes me want to punch kittens. Having to use it even if you buy the game on Steam is just so unnecessary and stupid.

 

[Wicky_42]

There's more to it than activation limits. I for one don't want Games for Windows Live. Won't use it, won't buy a game that requires it. SecuRom is just another nail in a long-buried coffin.

Its true, Games for Windows Live is what hurts the most.

Its just such a pointless yet terribly intrusive piece of software. I swear MS must be paying developers big money to put that shit in their games, no sane devs would voluntarily use it.

This, a million times this. I can deal with SecuROM if I have to, I can deal with activation limits if I have to, but being forced to use GFWL makes me want to punch kittens. Having to use it even if you buy the game on Steam is just so unnecessary and stupid.

Again, quoted for truth. Steam + GFWL is a retarded redundancy, made worse in DoW 2 where the only way to get the game was through Steam anyway, so what GFWL was doing there I don't know :/

 

[WhiteTigerShiro]

Just get it on a console instead if you're really that worried about it.

You know that gaming is in a sad state when you feel obligated to buy an FPS title on the console instead of the PC version because it's just less hassle that way.

*Note: Yes, I am aware that some people actually prefer FPS games on the console. I am not one of those people.

 

[aaron552]

You cannot save without being logged into GFWL, so MS basically hold your savegames hostage, not nice. Not useful and certainly not necessary either.
I miss the days when savegames had a savegame folder inside the game folder, rather than being handed over to windows' ridiculous filing system.

You can, however, create an "offline profile" for when you don't have access to an internet connection. It worked for Batman: AA.

 

[Earthmonger]

I am NOT installing and running GFWL just so I can save my game. Securom, whatever, a hard disk wipe cleans up after it. But I won't be held prisoner by yet another shitty M$ app when playing. Crack Time. Pretty sad to do this with legal software (AGAIN), but they leave me no alternative except "Don't bother to play", which is unacceptable.

 

[Dogstile]

I'm going to get it for console. If it was a PC release only then i would even consider pirating it, but of course, i could never do that. But they make it tempting as all hell.

Idiots.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Buh? So you can d/l it on Steam but it needs to make a disc check? There's no freakin' disc...

GFWL is just another M$ heap of droppings to try and turn PCs into Xboxs.

Arkham Asylum nearly pissed me off with that - GTA 4 did piss me off. Never again. And I don't care if I miss Half Life Ep 3 because of it. No more shitty DRM.

 

[Malcheior Sveth]

Sweet. I'm still not going to buy it, because GFWL is shit, and telling me when/where/how many times I can do something is also shit, no matter what the limit is.

 

[BlackWidower]

Fine, I'll just do what I was originally planning on doing anyway: NOT BUY IT!

 

[hansari]

Even with 15 its a pain...if your exceptionally unlucky...

I cannot fathom any single gamer installing/reinstalling a game for his own personal use 15 times...

 

[Worgen]

meh, Ill wait and get it when its dirt cheap, stupid publishers fucking up good games with drm bullshit, I want to give you money, dont make it a pain in the ass