BioShock 2 System Requirements, DRM Revealed
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Just say "no" for me.
I don't like using SecuRom, Steam or GFWL, so there's no way in hell I'm paying for this.
Plenty of other games around for me to play, no biggie.
I don't like using SecuRom, Steam or GFWL, so there's no way in hell I'm paying for this.
Plenty of other games around for me to play, no biggie.
I've had mixed results with GFWL. My first encounter with it was with Fallout3 via Steam, at which it totally blew chunks (refused to login, refused to update itself, refused to start the game until it updated itself which it refused to do... it was just in a complete mess at least half of the time). I later bought FO3GotY on disc, and GFWL worked perfectly (albeit still being pretty useless except as an achievement tracker). More recently, both Steam+GFWL+ArkhamAsylum and Steam+GFWL+RockstarBloatware+GTAIV have been behaving themselves reasonably well, so it's likely Bioshock2 will be fine too.
The "must log in to save" thing is going way too far, though; hopefully that's just a miscommunication.
For now, I'm still planning to get the PC version (of course, I don't have a console, so my choices are limited). Though I would be happier if they adapted themselves properly to the platforms they're using -- if they release via Steam then they should be using Steam achievements, not GFWL achievements. This trend (of adding publisher/developer/game-specific background apps that then start to stack up) worries me.
The "must log in to save" thing is going way too far, though; hopefully that's just a miscommunication.
For now, I'm still planning to get the PC version (of course, I don't have a console, so my choices are limited). Though I would be happier if they adapted themselves properly to the platforms they're using -- if they release via Steam then they should be using Steam achievements, not GFWL achievements. This trend (of adding publisher/developer/game-specific background apps that then start to stack up) worries me.
Bioshock 2 isn't that much different from the first one for me to let it slap me in the face again with authentication servers being down, this is what happened to me with the first one, I couldn't play it for almost 2 days after I purchased it.
Well, on the bright side, with a 15 install limit I can give up to 14 other people the gift of inconvenience via SecuROM.
Man you think it will take that long? I estimate you'll have a stable cracked version before the retail version is available by at least a week if not more. . .ZippyDSMlee said:
What really gets me though is the fact that these companies just refuse to learn from past mistakes. I understand the whole piracy banner is just a poorly disguised lie they use to kill any kind of preowned market for PC games. That being said, when companies go all crazy with DRM like this title, Spore, Mass Effect, Bio Shock, etc I have no compassion what-so-ever seeing their games getting pirated weeks before they hit the shelves. I mean if they want to pull a dick move of charging 60 dollars to RENT a game then they deserve what they get from the piracy scene.
Yeah... I could care less about SecuROM, since after all the original on Steam had it too and then they removed it by the time I bought it, and I'm planning to wait for the price to go down anyway so maybe they'll have removed it by then? But having to be signed in to Games for Windows Live just to play the game (practically)? So it really IS Microsoft's version of Steam. This infuriates me slightly less than Valve's willingness to carry it on Steam anyway. It'd be like if iTunes sold music in Zune format or something, and you still had to install the Zune software to play them. In fact, IT IS EXACTLY LIKE THAT.
Congratulations, Valve. You've officially proven you're stupider than Apple when it comes to this stuff.
Congratulations, Valve. You've officially proven you're stupider than Apple when it comes to this stuff.
Ya your right I think BS 1 came out with new stuff and that took a couple weeks or 3 longer than it should. But you also have to account for game patches but there again it took months for them to take the time to make a half assed patch for a million unit seller.....Xanthious said:
With digital distro in play they should focus on "attrition" as cheap as you can go with no protection when they focus on "war" they lose profits to poorly defend their monopoly....
Unless things have changed secrom will be on the steam version.....Steve the Pocket said:
This makes me sad. I was really excited for Bioshock 2 and then this has to happen. Sadly, I am not willing to let some nanny program onto my computer as I am paranoid enough and monitor every single process that tries to access the internet as it is. Hopefully the massive piracy they suffer will teach them the error of their ways.
Actually, the SecuROM on Steam was apparently a mix-up caused by someone lazily typing-in information: http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=597096&postcount=1Andy Chalk said:
Still, I have to agree about the SecuROM thing. Gaming is in a really sad state right now, and it isn't helped by companies like 2K insisting on putting limit after limit after limit on all of their games. For all the money they "gain" by preventing a couple LAN parties from being able to share a single copy, they just lose anyway to customers who refuse to buy a game that's advertised like a rental. I would argue that they in fact stand to lose from using SecuROM. Sure a few people might be forced to buy the game, but a larger majority of people whom the DRM would hinder will just pirate a copy of the game regardless.
They're basically hurting their own customer base and gaining nothing in return.
Games for Windows makes it easier to just offer a single DLC package that everyone can download and use. Otherwise they would have to go through the added hassle of creating DLC for both Steam and for Retail.sirdanrhodes said:
Screw this. I'm going through another session of DRM hell like I did with the first Bioshock. And what the hell is this trend of needing Steam AND Games For Windows? What the hell benefit does GFW give to anyone with Steam already? It's a crappy service that does nothing for the gamer. When, oh when, will these publishers learn?
Dell XPS M1530elitepie931 said:Seriously off topic but,what kind of laptop do you have?Aunel said:yay, my trusty laptop can run it
although I only have
chrome
Acoustica (recording program)
Guitar pro
MSN
on my laptop now, and I aim to keep it that way,
2.something ghz duo CPU
geforce 8800gt GPU
2 gigs of ram (thinking about upgrading it to 4 today)
15.4 inch screen
[small]and it has a remote control...[/small]
It's Dawn of War II and Fallout 3 all over again. Great.
Well screw this, I have enough issue with Steam failing to log on to then want to have to log on to GFW Live as well. It's all just excessive and pointless.
Does anyone else get the feeling they're kind of just adding things to the existing software without actually considering how big the pile is getting?
Well screw this, I have enough issue with Steam failing to log on to then want to have to log on to GFW Live as well. It's all just excessive and pointless.
Does anyone else get the feeling they're kind of just adding things to the existing software without actually considering how big the pile is getting?
