Bioshock Infinite THE REAL TWIST [spoilers]

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

If you haven't played Bioshock 1 I suggest you exist the topic right now.

What we have is a game about infinite versions of reality. Infinite is a very large number. Like, it's bigger than 100! And in one reality where Booker is baptized, he becomes Comstock.

However, that's not the real twist. The real twist is that in another reality something else happens to Booker. In one reality he becomes Andrew Ryan.

Think about it. Why would Booker and Elizabeth visit Rapture? They are visiting Booker's alternate realities. Who else would build an underwater city and have Plasmids that are practically the same stuff as Vigors? It makes perfect sense.

And as we've seen with Lutece "twins", gender is also relative when you're dealing with infinite possibilities. Constants and variables. This also means that we play as Elizabeth in Bioshock 1. Only it's a male version of Elizabeth in an infinite ocean of other possibilities. Mind blown yet? Have fun thinking about this.

 

[hazabaza1]

Mind blown yet?

Not really.
I think it was just a neat callback and an excuse to kill Songbird. Plus most of the other stuff can be explained.
In fact, the more apt comparison would be Subject Delta and Eleanor.

Spoiler: Spoilers for people who are dumb and don't want to be spoiled but entered the thread anyway just in case.

-Last name "Lamb" and Elizabeth being the "Lamb".
-"Big Daddy". Y'know.
-Daughter being removed from father at a young age, and when they next meet they're not certain of their relationship. (I think. Been a while since BS2.)
-Delta and Eleanor leave Bioshock in all the endings, as do Liz and Booker, and whilst Jack does leave Ryan never does.

Although part of me thinks this was just a big pisstake because this does seem kind of silly.

 

[Extra-Ordinary]

Eh...
I don't think it was anything more than a tip of the hat to old Bioshock fans.
I guess with the infinite universe thing, you can believe that if you want but I'm having a hard time believing that Dewitt is Ryan.
Especially when Ryan is Russian and even if Booker was Ryan he'd be fifty or sixty by the time the events of Bioshock 1 happen. Ryan looks to be at the most forty in the game. If Booker was really Ryan he'd look like, well, Comstock.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

If Booker was really Ryan he'd look like, well, Comstock.

Not necessarily. Time is relative and it's obviously not important. Both Booker and Comstock exist in the 1912 version that we played in, yet Booker is a young man and Comstock is an old man.

Mind blown yet?

Not really.
I think it was just a neat callback and an excuse to kill Songbird. Plus most of the other stuff can be explained.
In fact, the more apt comparison would be Subject Delta and Eleanor.

Spoiler: Spoilers for people who are dumb and don't want to be spoiled but entered the thread anyway just in case.

-Last name "Lamb" and Elizabeth being the "Lamb".
-"Big Daddy". Y'know.
-Daughter being removed from father at a young age, and when they next meet they're not certain of their relationship. (I think. Been a while since BS2.)
-Delta and Eleanor leave Bioshock in all the endings, as do Liz and Booker, and whilst Jack does leave Ryan never does.

Although part of me thinks this was just a big pisstake because this does seem kind of silly.

I never finished Bioshock 2. Only played it for a little while. But holy crap. This is a very good theory. Not silly at all. I should install Bioshock 2 again and finish it.

 

[RebsA]

I think you are totally wrong. First of all if Booker would be Ryan he would be around 90 years old by the time Rapture happens.

Second thing: It seems to have been established that in all of the multiverses these characters look the same, of course after birth things can change and they have different sorts of scar and things like that, but the adult person they grow up to be looks the same if nothing horrible happens.

Third thing: I think the Rapture part is mostly a callback to BioShocks 1 and 2, it's a neat little thing but doesn't actually mean anything in the larger scale of things(also don't you start with babyspheres and "only Ryan could use them!" it was only Ryan and his close circle and even then it was established as being horribly horribly unreliable as "sisters and cousins and basically anyone in the same ballpark could use them" to paraphrase the game. So maybe Elizabeth moved to Rapture in her older days in some of the multiverses and that's why we can use the Babyspheres, because we are her father and share half the same genes.

Fourthly the "There is always lighthouse, always a man, always a city"- line seems to be very meta. One of it's meanings is that no matter how you play the game and the choices you make, there is always a man and always a lighthouse and that you go to columbia. That's a constant and the way you play are the variables. Of course there are other constants and variables too.

In universe we can also take this to mean that in all of the universes there is a man, a lighthouse and a very unconveniently placed city. It doesn't mean that the man, the lighthouse and the city are the same, it just means that they exist in all of the multiverses. For example in one of the universes Mr. Fink could've become a crazy extremist ruler of a city. It's also a reference to the games story itself even in universe. In all of the universes we explore the one constant that always happens is that Booker goes to the lighthouse and goes to Columbia. Everything else can change, we see that in some universes Booker has failed horribly (such as the revolutionary hero universe where he is killed). They Letuces have tried their plan over a 100 times and our Booker is the only one who succeeds, that's the big variable in that certain universe.

TLR so basically as the constants and variables go the only "Constant" is the man the lighthouse and the city. Who the man is, where the lighthouse is and what the city is are variables.

 

[Sigmund Av Volsung]

Mind blown yet?

Not really.
I think it was just a neat callback and an excuse to kill Songbird. Plus most of the other stuff can be explained.
In fact, the more apt comparison would be Subject Delta and Eleanor.

Spoiler: Spoilers for people who are dumb and don't want to be spoiled but entered the thread anyway just in case.

-Last name "Lamb" and Elizabeth being the "Lamb".
-"Big Daddy". Y'know.
-Daughter being removed from father at a young age, and when they next meet they're not certain of their relationship. (I think. Been a while since BS2.)
-Delta and Eleanor leave Bioshock in all the endings, as do Liz and Booker, and whilst Jack does leave Ryan never does.

Although part of me thinks this was just a big pisstake because this does seem kind of silly.

Bioshock 2 wasn't made by Irrational, so I don't think that sticks.

I think it was just to showcase the "constants and variables" thing that Eliabeth kept going on about; Rapture's universe is supposed to be a radically different one to Colombia's.

Also the connection between Rapture & Colombia was a sort of fourth-wall breaking thing that explains why the two games are so similar in actual gameplay, how there still are two characters that have a "protector-prey" relationship (i.e. Big Daddy & Little Sister) etc.

 

[hazabaza1]

Mind blown yet?

Not really.
I think it was just a neat callback and an excuse to kill Songbird. Plus most of the other stuff can be explained.
In fact, the more apt comparison would be Subject Delta and Eleanor.

Spoiler: Spoilers for people who are dumb and don't want to be spoiled but entered the thread anyway just in case.

-Last name "Lamb" and Elizabeth being the "Lamb".
-"Big Daddy". Y'know.
-Daughter being removed from father at a young age, and when they next meet they're not certain of their relationship. (I think. Been a while since BS2.)
-Delta and Eleanor leave Bioshock in all the endings, as do Liz and Booker, and whilst Jack does leave Ryan never does.

Although part of me thinks this was just a big pisstake because this does seem kind of silly.

Bioshock 2 wasn't made by Irrational, so I don't think that sticks.

I think it was just to showcase the "constants and variables" thing that Eliabeth kept going on about; Rapture's universe is supposed to be a radically different one to Colombia's.

Also the connection between Rapture & Colombia was a sort of fourth-wall breaking thing that explains why the two games are so similar in actual gameplay, how there still are two characters that have a "protector-prey" relationship (i.e. Big Daddy & Little Sister).

Oh yeah, this is probably full of holes. It's something I came up with in 10 minutes because I figured OP was taking the piss so I thought I'd share a silly idea.

 

[zumbledum]

i dont think so , mainly for the reason that ryan has to exist at teh same time as comstock does or they couldnt steal the plasmids from rapture.

that whole there is always a man a city and a lighthouse bit is just a bit of fun, i think we are meant to think of all those other images as well other people playing infinite and going through the same story , we made diffferent decisions and took differnet paths but we all end up there , because well in an infinite multiverse there obviously isnt always anything.

 

[Winnosh]

Fink designs the Songbird but he gets the technology for it from a tear that leads to Rapture where they examine a Big Daddy. That's something revealed in an audiolog

 

[daveman247]

Basically what everyone else has said. A bit of fanservice and perhaps a system for how bioshock games will be basically laid out (starts at a lighthouse, goes to a city which is ran by one man). A fourth-wall breaker saying that each bioshock game is an alternate universe that is different but also very similar. All those lighthouses could possibly lead to another bioshock game.

Fink designs the Songbird but he gets the technology for it from a tear that leads to Rapture where they examine a Big Daddy. That's something revealed in an audiolog

Must have missed that one! I found a similar audiolog explaining how Fink creates the vigors - he opens a tear and sees a woman (possibly tennonbaum) creating the plasmids.

 

[Furioso]

And in one reality where Booker refuses to be baptized, he becomes Comstock.

Quick note, he becomes Comstock if he DOES get baptized. He is "reborn" and the priest allows him to take on a new name to complete the baptismal rebirth, so he chooses the name Comstock and becomes a holy man.

Other than that, everyone else speaks for me, I think they just headed to Rapture as it was one place in one reality where they could bring Songbird so far beneath the ocean that the pressure killed him, yet Elizabeth and Booker could be safe.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

Wait wait wait, isn't Bioshock 1 set in like the 60's? And isn't Bioshock Infinite set in 1912? Comstock was already an old guy, and while Booker looked Normal aged, how the heck would he survive into the 40's to form Rapture?! That doesn't make sense at all!

 

[Winnosh]

Wait wait wait, isn't Bioshock 1 set in like the 60's? And isn't Bioshock Infinite set in 1912? Comstock was already an old guy, and while Booker looked Normal aged, how the heck would he survive into the 40's to form Rapture?! That doesn't make sense at all!

Comstock wasn't old he was just ill from the experiments. It's what made him sterile. and also there is some timetravel around the movie

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Quick note, he becomes Comstock if he DOES get baptized.

Yeah I know. I must have been typing faster than I was thinking. It was long past midnight when I created this topic.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

I took the Rapture visit as a nod to the roots of the series and as a joke.

"A city under the sea? Ridiculous." Really, Booker? After EVERYTHING you've seen, everything you've done, everything you've caused, a city under the sea is too much? So yeah, I view it as the Infinite developers poking fun at the original developers while also paying their respects.