BioWare Co-Founder Accuses JRPGs of Stagnation

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Canid117

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JoonaspEST said:
Judge me stupid for this but my first ever experience with Japanese style cartooning(which elements also go over to the games) was Digimon and Yu-gi-oh. Basicly these show ran on one of our commercial channels every morning as part of the children programm. So i watched it and even enjoyed it until i faced a characteristic of the style. Overuse of dialouge. Basicly with every 2 sec a random guy says a random stuff inbetween the battle's. I started to hate those because i wanted some action also but when it came it was just broken by some boy saying his encourageing words all over again. Feel's the whole show is a shouting arena with little action.

Another irritateing thing I hate with JRPG's is the flashy graphics. I mean after every combe,crit etc is a flashy whole screen everlaping sign saying like: CRITICAL!!.
Gundam Wing was where it was at
 

tkioz

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He is 100% correct, I wouldn't call JRPGs RPGs at all, you don't play a freaking role, you've got no choices, you're going from point a to point b, and that's it, sure it's the same in western RPGs to a degree, you're going to slay the dragon and save the world at the end, but hell you've at least got a lot of choices on how to get there and giving your character a different motivation.

In JRPGs you're force fed the story, which is fine if they were called "Interactive Movies" but they are not, they are called RPGs, which means role playing game, we don't get to get into the role and make choices.
 

ReverseEngineered

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Sorry, but it doesn't "beg the question". Begging the question is when you argue the premise by assuming the premise is true, e.g.:
1 He is mad right now.
2 How do you know?
1 Well, because he is really angry.
(from Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question])

The phrase you are looking for is, "it raises the question."
 

Gindil

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tkioz said:
He is 100% correct, I wouldn't call JRPGs RPGs at all, you don't play a freaking role, you've got no choices, you're going from point a to point b, and that's it, sure it's the same in western RPGs to a degree, you're going to slay the dragon and save the world at the end, but hell you've at least got a lot of choices on how to get there and giving your character a different motivation.

In JRPGs you're force fed the story, which is fine if they were called "Interactive Movies" but they are not, they are called RPGs, which means role playing game, we don't get to get into the role and make choices.
I'm kind of against this "you have to define your own role" thing that supposedly JRPGs don't do. I'm not against a linear story in any way shape or form. But the fact remains that JRPGs are a different flavor of game compared to WRPGs. That I don't argue.

But it's just like playing DnD or LARPing. Sometimes you roleplay a part of a story. Someone's in control of it and you don't know where it will go.

It's kind of why I wanted to finish FFX. Tidus may have been a whiny little emo child but after seeing so much of what was done to him, the story was engaging enough to keep me there till the end. Same as Chrono in his own Trigger. I wanted to see what would happen next. But saying that we don't get a role is a little limiting compared to other forms of entertainment.
 

daftnoize

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I can't stand Bioware and can't believe hes got the cheek to bash some of the best games of all time look at the differnce between ff6 and 12 for example. Trying so hard not to flame....knights.....of...republic....awful.............J..R..P...G....AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though i have such a bias opinion loving pretty much all jrpgs and hating every bioware realese (trying to like them mind) thats its pretty clear that i'm going to get a tad pissed over these comments!
 

lacktheknack

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daftnoize said:
I can't stand Bioware and can't believe hes got the cheek to bash some of the best games of all time look at the differnce between ff6 and 12 for example. Trying so hard not to flame....knights.....of...republic....awful.............J..R..P...G....AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though i have such a bias opinion loving pretty much all jrpgs and hating every bioware realese (trying to like them mind) thats its pretty clear that i'm going to get a tad pissed over these comments!
...Why necro the page most of us were trying to forget?
 

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lacktheknack said:
daftnoize said:
I can't stand Bioware and can't believe hes got the cheek to bash some of the best games of all time look at the differnce between ff6 and 12 for example. Trying so hard not to flame....knights.....of...republic....awful.............J..R..P...G....AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though i have such a bias opinion loving pretty much all jrpgs and hating every bioware realese (trying to like them mind) thats its pretty clear that i'm going to get a tad pissed over these comments!
...Why necro the page most of us were trying to forget?
Sorry didn't realise this wound had salt on it. Was reading about the final fantasy francise (yes whilst listening to terra's theme!) on the escapist and this abomination popped up