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Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
 
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Spartan753 said:
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.
 

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Android2137 said:
They all added something to the story.
So expanding the story through DLC=bad.

Optional characters already exist in the story as-is. I'm pretty sure you can't get all the dialogue options on one playthrough, but adding more options is wrong because....
 

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Spartan753 said:
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
Still haven't gotten around to Witcher 2, and know nothing about it, its DLC, or its company, but two letters are all you need to know about the difference between some Polish company and Bioware. EA. There ya go, the mystery is solved :). Back on topic, I'm not a big fan of day one DLC, but flat out calling a company liars with no proof or any kind of solid evidence? I hate that even more. Ignorance is not bliss when it comes from a fan/hater base, it's either headache-inducing stupid or gut busting hilarious. And yes I am aware many people probably said something similar, but I feel the need to keep this going because gosh darn it I just want Zeel to come back!
 

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CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.
So what? People would pirate the shit out of the Witcher 2 anyway. And despite restrictive copy protection, people will pirate the shit out of Mass Effect 3. People will likely pirate the shit out of the paid DLC, as well.

It's what pirates do. Which brings me back to "so what?"
 
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Zachary Amaranth said:
Daystar Clarion said:
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.
So what? People would pirate the shit out of the Witcher 2 anyway. And despite restrictive copy protection, people will pirate the shit out of Mass Effect 3. People will likely pirate the shit out of the paid DLC, as well.

It's what pirates do. Which brings me back to "so what?"
Nothing really.

I just thought it was a funny observation.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.
Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.

And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together :p
 
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dyre said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.
Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.

And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together :p
I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
dyre said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.
Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.

And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together :p
I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.
Eh, well, it's hard to measure the tangible benefit that goodwill towards a company creates, but I'm sure there is some benefit. In other industries, it might save you from costly regulation or from people leaving to purchase from more ethical competitors.

In the gaming industry, I dunno, it might get you some more sales from pirates who buy the occasional game on a steam sale or w/e. As someone who buys only a small portion of the games I play, I did end up happily buying Witcher 2.*

*this statement in no way implies that I pirated the portion of games I didn't buy.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
dyre said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.
Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.

And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together :p
I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.
It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).

I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
 
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Spartan753 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
dyre said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.
Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.

And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together :p
I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.
It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).

I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
Oh, I agree with you, and I really like the business practices of devs like CD Projekt. But money makes everything they do possible, and sometimes, charging for DLC is that little extra cash that might make all the difference.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
dyre said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.

Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.

And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together :p
I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.
It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).

I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
Oh, I agree with you, and I really like the business practices of devs like CD Projekt. But money makes everything they do possible, and sometimes, charging for DLC is that little extra cash that might make all the difference.
Not this time, though. Even if ME3 didn't have any DLC whatsoever it would be much more profitable than The Witcher 2 could ever dream of.

EA is really milking the cow with this one.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
dyre said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.
Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.

And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together :p
I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.
It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).

I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
Oh, I agree with you, and I really like the business practices of devs like CD Projekt. But money makes everything they do possible, and sometimes, charging for DLC is that little extra cash that might make all the difference.
I do agree with you there, and I am happy to support some developers who needs money by buying DLCs, but I hardly think Bioware "need" that money. Seems to me like its more of a "we do it because we can". That is an attitude I really dont care for. And what is worse is they try to defend themselves. Cant they just be honest and say that they charge for DLCs because they want to be even richer than they are. I might actually start buying Bioware products again just for the refreshing honesty :p
 
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zinho73 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
dyre said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.

Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.

And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together :p
I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.
It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).

I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
Oh, I agree with you, and I really like the business practices of devs like CD Projekt. But money makes everything they do possible, and sometimes, charging for DLC is that little extra cash that might make all the difference.
Not this time, though. Even if ME3 didn't have any DLC whatsoever it would be much more profitable than The Witcher 2 could ever dream of.

EA is really milking the cow with this one.
Spartan753 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
dyre said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Spartan753 said:
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.

As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.

You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.
Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.

And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together :p
I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.
It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).

I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
Oh, I agree with you, and I really like the business practices of devs like CD Projekt. But money makes everything they do possible, and sometimes, charging for DLC is that little extra cash that might make all the difference.
I do agree with you there, and I am happy to support some developers who needs money by buying DLCs, but I hardly think Bioware "need" that money. Seems to me like its more of a "we do it because we can". That is an attitude I really dont care for. And what is worse is they try to defend themselves. Cant they just be honest and say that they charge for DLCs because they want to be even richer than they are. I might actually start buying Bioware products again just for the refreshing honesty :p
Maybe EA is at a stage where they think.

'Hmm, nobody is going to like us any more whether we give away this DLC for free or not, so fuck it. More moneyz' :D
 

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"Dear Goddy, it appears fairness is dead in the Gaming industry..." This is from a member of a forum I blog for.

"The defence put up by Casey Hudson and Michael Gamble in regards to the "From Dust" Day one DLC is spurious at best. Whether or not it was EA that demanded this story crucial material be discluded from the main game is irrelevant. The fact that Bioware, a well respected developer for over 10 years, can put such an irresistable carrot on a 10 dollar string and attach it to a stick on the gaming communities backs is a dirty business tactic and one that will ultimately come back to damage their reputation even further post Dragon Age 2. Sooner or later, there will be nowhere left to hide for the fleecers and racketeers that now smell the freshly baked pie of ignorance that now wofts from the gaming world.

[Name withheld]"

While I have stated in my other thread that I have already purchased Mass Effect 3 and fully intend to play it, I ultimately have to agree with him, and to add further to his statement, for respected figures at Bioware such as Casey Hudson of all people to come out and toe EA's line is both surprising and saddening. You would never see Gabe Newell come out and seemingly lie in the face of Valves fanbase.

In a perfect world, Bioware and any other cultivator of decent products in the gaming industry would have the financial power to go it alone, but the reality is somewhat different, and it is a circumstance that we will inevitably have to put up with.

That's the point I have been making from day one: No amount of boycotts or forum protests will change the direction of the current. EA will make millions off Mass Effect 3 and will know full well that any minority of gamers that have taken up the sword against their swindling will soon falter and give up, what I like to call the Heart of Wallmart effect.
 

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animehermit said:
Yet no one complained when they did the same thing in ME2. Somebody honestly tell me that Shadow Broker and Arrival aren't important to the overall plot of the franchise.
Played ME1, and ME2. Bought no DLCs. They're not important to the overall plot of the franchise.
Glad to oblige.
Arrival is because it bridges ME2 and 3. I think ME1 had one that was important too.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
LastGreatBlasphemer said:
animehermit said:
Yet no one complained when they did the same thing in ME2. Somebody honestly tell me that Shadow Broker and Arrival aren't important to the overall plot of the franchise.
Played ME1, and ME2. Bought no DLCs. They're not important to the overall plot of the franchise.
Glad to oblige.
Arrival is because it bridges ME2 and 3. I think ME1 had one that was important too.
SHIT!

I just remembered that I haven't played Arrival yet!

*goes off to purchase*