BioWare discussing ME3 MP

[Deathfyre]

Not suprised.
I mean ME3 is the end, cant really do quests after you beat the villan, so only way is MP.
And the MP team they hired before ME3 announced.
ANd ME/ME2 was already downgraded to a tps, making it easier for MP.
Not suprised, just glad I lost interest in ME after finding out 3 will be like 2.

Oh and you may get a BW guy commenting in this thread. Cant remembe his name but he has a purple penguin or something as an avatar.

James Henley? He works on The Old Republic these days, I vaguely remember him posting on the old Bioware forums back in the day though.

OT: I think I remember the thread Bourne Endeavor is talking about, although I don't really visit the BSN much these days. My money is on a separate MP game set in the Mass Effect universe developed by the new MP team they hired that you mentioned.

I dont know, all I know is some guy on here wwith some purple bird avatar with red eyes, claims to work for BW, I dont know if he would be able to comment on this thread though.

I dont visit BW mch either, Mass effect is dead to me, and I am not interested in DA2, so unless I want to see tips for DAO no real reason to visit.

I think it will be ME3,I mean the team was hired before the announcement, the mechanics are all there after ME2s "streamlining" for a tps hence people call it "Gears with dialouge" and they arent saying there wont be MP, only they cant comment atm.

After being initially skeptical toward ACB and then being pleasantly surprised, I'm going to keep an open mind here. Overall though, nothing I know of will keep me from getting ME3. I get goosebumps just thinking about the conclusion to this story.

You mean the story where the writers will pull some crap so you can win, even though logically you should lose ? The same crp they pulled throught ME1 and got worse in 2.

You mean, like, a science fiction story?

but seriously, the story is what drives ME3, along with the choices through the first two games, it will be awesome. I'll buy it and then play through all three, one after other and see how the choices I make turn out. I'm excited for it. Probably the biggest game I'm looking forward to right now.

No I mean crap like making the enimies weaker, just so you can win, soverign crippled the citadel fleet in 1 alone, now they cant take out earth in a week, and ill be beaten by shepard, just because your the good guy. Films dont always end with the good guy winning, games do if you are the good guy.

Choices were patheticly shallow, there was a "glitched" conrad quest, shialas quest, a rachni conversation and emails. Then some like Samesh, didnt even have 2 options despite there being 2 endings. I will just be enjoying skyrim.

Well, remember that Earth would be heavily defended, unlike the Citadel, where they clearly stated that most of the citadel fleet wasn't there. If they were, Sovereign might not have had such an easy time. Plus, technically you don't always win. My first playthrough of ME2, I lost the crew, and half the party. So in ME3, there's probably going to be a "well, Earth is gone, that's a shame" ending. Or probably even a point where you have to choose between trying to save Earth with whatever armies you massed up, or sacrificing it to build an even bigger army. Since Reapers have only ever fought one race at a time (as far as we know), they might find out that an alliance of races can be enough to make them go boom.

 

[Deathfyre]

To be honest, I'm more interested in Co-op gameplay. It seems like something that would fit perfectly into Mass Effect or Dragon Age.

I couldn't disagree more.

'Jesus skip the dialogue'
'Fuck off, I haven't seen this bit'
'Ya but it's a crap conversation'
'Shut up'
'Pick Renegade!'
'No I want to go paragon'
'Goddamn it I hate this stupid game, it was way more fun playing by myself'

Or they could set it up like they have in Old Republic, Each person picks their own responses, and receives the consequences as far as pragon/renegade points, but whoever is, I guess hosting, would be the one whose choices determine the cut-scenes. Or if it's online co-op, each player would view the same cut-scene and just take part in the following action

 

[manythings]

You mean, like, a science fiction story?

but seriously, the story is what drives ME3, along with the choices through the first two games, it will be awesome. I'll buy it and then play through all three, one after other and see how the choices I make turn out. I'm excited for it. Probably the biggest game I'm looking forward to right now.

I'm planning the three game straight play as well. 11 months...

OT: I think co-op could be cool but I can live without it. Chances are my laptops hardware will make playing online unlikely if there is competitive MP but even if it doesn't I don't think I care enough.

ME3 is not going to be the end.
The Reapers attack Earth, and Shepard is going to have to muster all of his allies to go and defend it. Once he does so, 4 will probably be the counter attack, or a filler game until the counter attack. I bet we're going to see at least 1-2 more.

They've said for years, "It's a trilogy, no fourth game, it's a trilogy, it ends with the third game, that's how trilogies work."

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

I couldn't disagree more.

'Jesus skip the dialogue'
'Fuck off, I haven't seen this bit'
'Ya but it's a crap conversation'
'Shut up'
'Pick Renegade!'
'No I want to go paragon'
'Goddamn it I hate this stupid game, it was way more fun playing by myself'

Woah, Miracle. Hold it.

No one's really talking about online matchmaking coop. I mean, I could expect you to behave like that ("Another camping little Harbringer, bullshit!"), but with your friends it could be tons of fun.

It would be great exploring character interactions and have coop integrated into the game meaningfully. It could add so much to the story, the characters, present them from different sides. It could have an appropriate ending and confrontation in case one is Paragon and the other is Renegade...

If that ever happens and I find a person to play that with, Mass Effect *insert number here* will be my favorite game of all-time.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Or they could set it up like they have in Old Republic, Each person picks their own responses, and receives the consequences as far as pragon/renegade points, but whoever is, I guess hosting, would be the one whose choices determine the cut-scenes. Or if it's online co-op, each player would view the same cut-scene and just take part in the following action

I know plenty of people myself that would love to play Mass Effect in Co-op AND would eat up whatever story comes around. I've thought Mass Effect would be perfect with Co-op since the very first game.

While I respect both of your views, I maintain that for me the experience would be somewhat ruined by being designed around 2 players.

The choices in Mass Effect make you think deeply about yourself, your values and your ethics. To me it is a very introspective experience that benefits from being played alone.

And I would find it impossible to feel immersed and drawn into the story and world the same way with a friend beside me or chatting in my ear.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Woah, Miracle. Hold it.

No one's really talking about online matchmaking coop. I mean, I could expect you to behave like that ("Another camping little Harbringer, bullshit!"), but with your friends it could be tons of fun.

It would be great exploring character interactions and have coop integrated into the game meaningfully. It could add so much to the story, the characters, present them from different sides. It could have an appropriate ending and confrontation in case one is Paragon and the other is Renegade...

If that ever happens and I find a person to play that with, Mass Effect *insert number here* will be my favorite game of all-time.

You know what... all of that could be great.... in a new game in the same universe. But I love ME the way it is and don't want it to change.

 

[akibawall95]

I'm hoping for no Multiplayer, not every game nowadays needs it, and RPGs especially don't need it.
But whatever, I'll just most likely ignore it if Mass Effect 3 has it in.

Second that - third person games just don't work in MP for me *cough* Gears *cough*.

True but there was a third person MP mode for Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 that I thought was kind of neat.

 

[ProtoChimp]

I couldn't disagree more.

'Jesus skip the dialogue'
'Fuck off, I haven't seen this bit'
'Ya but it's a crap conversation'
'Shut up'
'Pick Renegade!'
'No I want to go paragon'
'Goddamn it I hate this stupid game, it was way more fun playing by myself'

Woah, Miracle. Hold it.

No one's really talking about online matchmaking coop. I mean, I could expect you to behave like that ("Another camping little Harbringer, bullshit!"), but with your friends it could be tons of fun.

It would be great exploring character interactions and have coop integrated into the game meaningfully. It could add so much to the story, the characters, present them from different sides. It could have an appropriate ending and confrontation in case one is Paragon and the other is Renegade...

If that ever happens and I find a person to play that with, Mass Effect *insert number here* will be my favorite game of all-time.

Soooo, not Fable 3 then OH SNAP

 

[Deathfyre]

Not suprised.
I mean ME3 is the end, cant really do quests after you beat the villan, so only way is MP.
And the MP team they hired before ME3 announced.
ANd ME/ME2 was already downgraded to a tps, making it easier for MP.
Not suprised, just glad I lost interest in ME after finding out 3 will be like 2.

Oh and you may get a BW guy commenting in this thread. Cant remembe his name but he has a purple penguin or something as an avatar.

ME3 is not going to be the end.
The Reapers attack Earth, and Shepard is going to have to muster all of his allies to go and defend it. Once he does so, 4 will probably be the counter attack, or a filler game until the counter attack. I bet we're going to see at least 1-2 more.

It was confirmed from the start as a trilogy.

Not suprised.
I mean ME3 is the end, cant really do quests after you beat the villan, so only way is MP.
And the MP team they hired before ME3 announced.
ANd ME/ME2 was already downgraded to a tps, making it easier for MP.
Not suprised, just glad I lost interest in ME after finding out 3 will be like 2.

Oh and you may get a BW guy commenting in this thread. Cant remembe his name but he has a purple penguin or something as an avatar.

James Henley? He works on The Old Republic these days, I vaguely remember him posting on the old Bioware forums back in the day though.

OT: I think I remember the thread Bourne Endeavor is talking about, although I don't really visit the BSN much these days. My money is on a separate MP game set in the Mass Effect universe developed by the new MP team they hired that you mentioned.

I dont know, all I know is some guy on here wwith some purple bird avatar with red eyes, claims to work for BW, I dont know if he would be able to comment on this thread though.

I dont visit BW mch either, Mass effect is dead to me, and I am not interested in DA2, so unless I want to see tips for DAO no real reason to visit.

I think it will be ME3,I mean the team was hired before the announcement, the mechanics are all there after ME2s "streamlining" for a tps hence people call it "Gears with dialouge" and they arent saying there wont be MP, only they cant comment atm.

After being initially skeptical toward ACB and then being pleasantly surprised, I'm going to keep an open mind here. Overall though, nothing I know of will keep me from getting ME3. I get goosebumps just thinking about the conclusion to this story.

You mean the story where the writers will pull some crap so you can win, even though logically you should lose ? The same crp they pulled throught ME1 and got worse in 2.

You mean, like, a science fiction story?

but seriously, the story is what drives ME3, along with the choices through the first two games, it will be awesome. I'll buy it and then play through all three, one after other and see how the choices I make turn out. I'm excited for it. Probably the biggest game I'm looking forward to right now.

No I mean crap like making the enimies weaker, just so you can win, soverign crippled the citadel fleet in 1 alone, now they cant take out earth in a week, and ill be beaten by shepard, just because your the good guy. Films dont always end with the good guy winning, games do if you are the good guy.

Choices were patheticly shallow, there was a "glitched" conrad quest, shialas quest, a rachni conversation and emails. Then some like Samesh, didnt even have 2 options despite there being 2 endings. I will just be enjoying skyrim.

Well, remember that Earth would be heavily defended, unlike the Citadel, where they clearly stated that most of the citadel fleet wasn't there. If they were, Sovereign might not have had such an easy time. Plus, technically you don't always win. My first playthrough of ME2, I lost the crew, and half the party. So in ME3, there's probably going to be a "well, Earth is gone, that's a shame" ending. Or probably even a point where you have to choose between trying to save Earth with whatever armies you massed up, or sacrificing it to build an even bigger army. Since Reapers have only ever fought one race at a time (as far as we know), they might find out that an alliance of races can be enough to make them go boom.

Most likely ending is citadel or earth.
And yes its likely, like 2 there is an ending you have to try to fail to get it.
The citadel fleet may not have een full, but soverign only lost pwer after losing conrol on seren, he wasnt focused like he should have been. If h manually opened it, reapers, win, instead he messed around with shep who at that point couldnt help. And soverign had say 1000 ships attacking 1 reaper, in 3, there will be more reapers, meaning they wont be able to focus on one at a time, and those reapers will kill them quicker. Reapers win.

But, we don't know that every Reaper is as strong as Sovereign. If I was gonna take my entire species into a place that relies on ONE dude to bring us back, I'm not gonna leave regular Joe in charge of it, I'm gonna leave one of my strongest, so as to help ensure we don't end up stuck in what is essentially eternal baggage claim. sitting there, with nothing to do but wait for that guy to brainwash some other guy into pushing a button. (Which is why Sovereign had to focus on Saren. Since Saren was kinda dead, it's hard to get him to push said button)

 

[Vet2501]

Not suprised.
I mean ME3 is the end, cant really do quests after you beat the villan, so only way is MP.
And the MP team they hired before ME3 announced.
ANd ME/ME2 was already downgraded to a tps, making it easier for MP.
Not suprised, just glad I lost interest in ME after finding out 3 will be like 2.

Oh and you may get a BW guy commenting in this thread. Cant remembe his name but he has a purple penguin or something as an avatar.

James Henley? He works on The Old Republic these days, I vaguely remember him posting on the old Bioware forums back in the day though.

OT: I think I remember the thread Bourne Endeavor is talking about, although I don't really visit the BSN much these days. My money is on a separate MP game set in the Mass Effect universe developed by the new MP team they hired that you mentioned.

I think he's talking about Chris Priestly, he has an account here.

OT: I hope this isn't true, I don't like this trend that everything needs multiplayer these days. BioWare should stick to doing what they do best, making fantastic single player games.

 

[Deathfyre]

Or they could set it up like they have in Old Republic, Each person picks their own responses, and receives the consequences as far as pragon/renegade points, but whoever is, I guess hosting, would be the one whose choices determine the cut-scenes. Or if it's online co-op, each player would view the same cut-scene and just take part in the following action

I know plenty of people myself that would love to play Mass Effect in Co-op AND would eat up whatever story comes around. I've thought Mass Effect would be perfect with Co-op since the very first game.

While I respect both of your views, I maintain that for me the experience would be somewhat ruined by being designed around 2 players.

The choices in Mass Effect make you think deeply about yourself, your values and your ethics. To me it is a very introspective experience that benefits from being played alone.

And I would find it impossible to feel immersed and drawn into the story and world the same way with a friend beside me or chatting in my ear.

I see where you're coming from there, and I'm not saying the game should be purely co-op, but as an addition, once you've played through a game, it's sometimes fun to re-visit it and have someone other than you add their views to your own. As long as you find the right kind of person to go through the game with, it can add a lot of fun, and even get you to look at a choice or a challenge in a different way.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

You know what... all of that could be great.... in a new game in the same universe. But I love ME the way it is and don't want it to change.

Well, I never said the coop mode should be a standalone game, rather than a game mode.

The choices in Mass Effect make you think deeply about yourself, your values and your ethics. To me it is a very introspective experience that benefits from being played alone.

And I would find it impossible to feel immersed and drawn into the story and world the same way with a friend beside me or chatting in my ear.

If a film's good enough, no one's chatting or discussing it when we're watching. Mass Effect 2 does fall under the "good enough" category.

Besides, finding out new things about each other is just as great, if not more so.

Soooo, not Fable 3 then OH SNAP

Yes, apparently the coop in the game completely disregards the second player, who could very well be a stand in for an NPC.

Dissapointing.

 

[spartandude]

I'm hoping for no Multiplayer, not every game nowadays needs it, and RPGs especially don't need it.
But whatever, I'll just most likely ignore it if Mass Effect 3 has it in.

Agreedm but i love Mass Effect, this i really dont wont them to take valuable time and resorces away from making a great single player to multiplayer, especially as they have very little time to work with for starters

 

[MiracleOfSound]

I see where you're coming from there, and I'm not saying the game should be purely co-op, but as an addition, once you've played through a game, it's sometimes fun to re-visit it and have someone other than you add their views to your own. As long as you find the right kind of person to go through the game with, it can add a lot of fun, and even get you to look at a choice or a challenge in a different way.

I agree it could be an amazing prospect, but the risk is too big for ME. They risk screwing up everything that makes the game great, especially if the co-op feels shitty and tacked on.

If they announce their next game as a co-op one, it wouldn't bother me. But the thought of having it in Mass Effect scares me.

Speaking of shitty co-op modes...


Fable 2's co-op was a joke. And then fable 3 came along and the joke wasn't funny anymore.

 

[Grey_Focks]

Am willing to bet those images are fake, but I wouldn't rule out MP in Mass Effect. I personally hope that ME3 is single player only, but I think a three person co-op Mass Effect where all members of your party have an actual input on conversations and decisions would be awesome. And this is a bit of a "probably not gonna happen" but I personally would LOVE to see a "Mass Effect: Battlefront" type game, where the 6 classes from ME become the classes in the game, and space combat, RPG elements, and all sorts of cool stuff....yea, that kinda stopped making sense half-way through, but the idea of a game like that existing has that sort of effect on me.

 

[RA92]

Not suprised.
I mean ME3 is the end, cant really do quests after you beat the villan, so only way is MP.
And the MP team they hired before ME3 announced.
ANd ME/ME2 was already downgraded to a tps, making it easier for MP.
Not suprised, just glad I lost interest in ME after finding out 3 will be like 2.

No I mean crap like making the enimies weaker, just so you can win, soverign crippled the citadel fleet in 1 alone, now they cant take out earth in a week, and ill be beaten by shepard, just because your the good guy. Films dont always end with the good guy winning, games do if you are the good guy.

Choices were patheticly shallow, there was a "glitched" conrad quest, shialas quest, a rachni conversation and emails. Then some like Samesh, didnt even have 2 options despite there being 2 endings. I will just be enjoying skyrim.

Wow. You're presuming a lot from a trailer. Overreaching much? How do you know that it's the Reapers who haven't been able to penetrate Earth's defenses in a week? All I saw was the Reapers just landing on Earth - why can't it be possible that it was their goons (maybe the Heretic Geth) who have been carrying out the initial assault? How do you know that the Reapers being defeated will not have any coherence with the internal reality of the ME universe, considering the writing is one of the strongest points of the franchise?

And yes, there were many shortcomings in ME2 - the choices had no ramifications and exploration was very limited. But here's the thing that has slipped your mind - when we bitched about ME1, BioWare actually listened to us (getting rid of the vehicle missions, inventory and streamlining the combat system). Who's to say they won't listen again? They have already said player's choices in the previous games will have a much more significant impact on the plot than the choices in Mass Effect had on Mass Effect 2. They've also promised richer RPG features, more combat options and complex enemies. Hell, even vehicular combat is making a comeback after they tested it in DLC. And considering their track record, I can trust their promises.

I, for one, will actually wait for the game to come out before judging it. And sorry, I just see a hater-hating-for-hating's-sake in you...

Reach was its own story, and it ended with you losing, the oint it, it dosent feel bad.
And the good guys didnt win, the halos never went off, the flood could still exist, the elites left the covenant but it is still a threat, just no longer has the prophets. I wouldnt ay they won, just suspened the fighting for a bit.

... and thus leaving EA to milk the franchise for the next few generations.