Bioware: FF13 is not an RPG

[I Max95]

in a RPG i'm expecting me (I,Ego,thyself) to be the main protagonist and no-one else otherwise this would contradict the meaning of "role-playing"

In an RPG you are expecting to play yourself because that is "roleplay"?
*facepalm* You might want to think about what you just said, and everything that is wrong with it.

Spoiler: Hints in case you're stuck

Psst! Actors roleplay. Actors don't play themselves. They play a role, a character, usually one that is written by someone else in a script. But definitely not themsleves...

[sub]I couldn't bite my tongue anymore. This post just took the cake[/sub]

to use your 'actor' analogy your really just being their stunt double
doing all the work in the action while they jump in as soon as the talking starts

your analogy would work for a game like Half Life
your definently not the main character nor shouuld you pretend to be it was a character made by the developers not yourself
and yet you are almost always in control
is this an rpg,
no

and by your definition every single game out their is an RPG

role playing means so diferent a thing in games than in real life

 

[I Max95]

im sorry i post too much
but i want to know why calling FF not an RPG is an insult

halo is a great game is it an RPG
no
god of war is a great game is it an rpg
no

does it at all matter what genre FF is

 

[Daedalus1942]

To be fair neither is Mass Effect. Mass Effect 2 is a JRPG in disguise.

how the hell is mass effect (one or two) not an rpg
and how dare you insult mass effect 2 in such a manner jrpg's suck

Mass Effect only just passes as an RPG, whereas I'm sorry but Mass effect II (apart from being an absolute piece of shit) was also not an rpg. Mass Effect II was a third person shooter, plain and simple.

might you alaborate
fallout three is a game where you shoot ...in first person so is it a first person shooter
what makes it a an rpg and mass effect just a third person shooter
or is it not an rpg either
is the world flipped all of a sudden

Fallout three is a first person shooter with RPG elements. Mass Effect (the first one) had much more of a focus on the RPG elements within the game as well as effectively incorporating the 3rd person shooter elements.
Mass Effect II was neither of these. It's primarily a 3rd person shooter first, and they gutted most of the RPG elements, shortened the game for mainstream audiences and pretty much destroyed the majority of good ideas from the first game (possibly poorly executed, but still decent concepts).
On top of all that, Drew Karpyshyn didn't even try to tie the good plot points from the first game with the second one (and i'm not talking about direct story elements affected by your previous decisions). The best thing about II was the new characters. They were literally the only reason I finished MEII.

Also, the fact that you believe Japanese Role playing Games suck... I have a feeling this comment will go straight over your head, but I shall try anyway.

 

[Legion IV]

My god i guess the escapist has really showed ther true colours. Just a bunch of Sheep! who praise games like mass effect that arnt even all that good. Then once a developer from bioware purposfley trys to stir up some drama they just jump all over this. This thread has been going on to long just a bunch of fanatic bioware supporters thinking oh our leader as attacked lets join him.

Really guys grow up or at least get some common sence. Stop posting FF is an RPG and o is oblivion. you guys hate calling FF and rpg i hate thinking oblivion is and rpg. Final fantasy is at least intresting since there not adding a couple dozen diffrent endings or choices wich in turn make them all seem very bleh they decide on one story and its soo much better. Look at mass effect how many choices were there really? you were just living out other versions of shepard no game will ever be me unless the developers make it just for me.

Just let this thread die. there both rpgs. Now as Mark Twain once said

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. --Mark Twain

So everybody shush let this thread die and stop making fools of yourselfs and act like you are still civil people and have some dignity.

 

[I Max95]

To be fair neither is Mass Effect. Mass Effect 2 is a JRPG in disguise.

how the hell is mass effect (one or two) not an rpg
and how dare you insult mass effect 2 in such a manner jrpg's suck

Mass Effect only just passes as an RPG, whereas I'm sorry but Mass effect II (apart from being an absolute piece of shit) was also not an rpg. Mass Effect II was a third person shooter, plain and simple.

might you alaborate
fallout three is a game where you shoot ...in first person so is it a first person shooter
what makes it a an rpg and mass effect just a third person shooter
or is it not an rpg either
is the world flipped all of a sudden

Fallout three is a first person shooter with RPG elements. Mass Effect (the first one) had much more of a focus on the RPG elements within the game as well as effectively incorporating the 3rd person shooter elements.
Mass Effect II was neither of these. It's primarily a 3rd person shooter first, and they gutted most of the RPG elements, shortened the game for mainstream audiences and pretty much destroyed the majority of good ideas from the first game (possibly poorly executed, but still decent concepts).
On top of all that, Drew Karpyshyn didn't even try to tie the good plot points from the first game with the second one (and i'm not talking about direct story elements affected by your previous decisions). The best thing about II was the new characters. They were literally the only reason I finished MEII.

Also, the fact that you believe Japanese Role playing Games suck... I have a feeling this comment will go straight over your head, but I shall try anyway.

1. ill admit they dont all suck but im bored with turn based combat and thats what most of them are. i played Kingdom Hearts and thought it was alright marring the complete embarassment i get from playing it
2.at least both ME games actually...well try i still think their RPGs and your not changing my mind on the subject but theoretically if they are not RPGs than FF is even less of an RPG than Mass Effect
3. the reason that i think they are distancing the first two games (story wise) is that it all comes together in the third one which you'll probobly be missing
4.in a critical sense their both of course shooters you point a gun and SHOOT, can i call FF an adventure game because you go on an ADVENTURE
5. must a game fall and be imprisoned in a single genre i call Mass Effect a third person shooter RPG and i also call the second one that as well

 

[Tony2077]

its a jrpg get used to it and move on already

 

[I Max95]

My god i guess the escapist has really showed ther true colours. Just a bunch of Sheep! who praise games like mass effect that arnt even all that good. Then once a developer from bioware purposfley trys to stir up some drama they just jump all over this. This thread has been going on to long just a bunch of fanatic bioware supporters thinking oh our leader as attacked lets join him.

Really guys grow up or at least get some common sence. Stop posting FF is an RPG and o is oblivion. you guys hate calling FF and rpg i hate thinking oblivion is and rpg. Final fantasy is at least intresting since there not adding a couple dozen diffrent endings or choices wich in turn make them all seem very bleh they decide on one story and its soo much better. Look at mass effect how many choices were there really? you were just living out other versions of shepard no game will ever be me unless the developers make it just for me.

Just let this thread die. there both rpgs. Now as Mark Twain once said

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. --Mark Twain

So everybody shush let this thread die and stop making fools of yourselfs and act like you are still civil people and have some dignity.

way to be a hypocrite
you just simoultaniously argued your point on the thread question
while insulting us for doing the same

im a total Bioware Fanboy ill defend their games if it gets me banned
why
cause its the internet damnit nothing stopping me from just finding a diferent site to gipe about JRPGs on

dont take things so seriously

 

[Daedalus1942]

To be fair neither is Mass Effect. Mass Effect 2 is a JRPG in disguise.

how the hell is mass effect (one or two) not an rpg
and how dare you insult mass effect 2 in such a manner jrpg's suck

Mass Effect only just passes as an RPG, whereas I'm sorry but Mass effect II (apart from being an absolute piece of shit) was also not an rpg. Mass Effect II was a third person shooter, plain and simple.

might you alaborate
fallout three is a game where you shoot ...in first person so is it a first person shooter
what makes it a an rpg and mass effect just a third person shooter
or is it not an rpg either
is the world flipped all of a sudden

Fallout three is a first person shooter with RPG elements. Mass Effect (the first one) had much more of a focus on the RPG elements within the game as well as effectively incorporating the 3rd person shooter elements.
Mass Effect II was neither of these. It's primarily a 3rd person shooter first, and they gutted most of the RPG elements, shortened the game for mainstream audiences and pretty much destroyed the majority of good ideas from the first game (possibly poorly executed, but still decent concepts).
On top of all that, Drew Karpyshyn didn't even try to tie the good plot points from the first game with the second one (and i'm not talking about direct story elements affected by your previous decisions). The best thing about II was the new characters. They were literally the only reason I finished MEII.

Also, the fact that you believe Japanese Role playing Games suck... I have a feeling this comment will go straight over your head, but I shall try anyway.

1. ill admit they dont all suck but im bored with turn based combat and thats what most of them are. i played Kingdom Hearts and thought it was alright marring the complete embarassment i get from playing it
2.at least both ME games actually...well try i still think their RPGs and your not changing my mind on the subject but theoretically if they are not RPGs than FF is even less of an RPG than Mass Effect
3. the reason that i think they are distancing the first two games (story wise) is that it all comes together in the third one which you'll probobly be missing
4.in a critical sense their both of course shooters you point a gun and SHOOT, can i call FF an adventure game because you go on an ADVENTURE
5. must a game fall and be imprisoned in a single genre i call Mass Effect a third person shooter RPG and i also call the second one that as well

I realize there's plot elements in 3 that will probably be referred to, but what I'm having a go at is the blatantly big obvious plotholes that were made clear in the 2nd one and I believe Drew didn't even reread the plot from the first game when he was writing II.
He took what could potentially have been a great series with limitless possibilities and depth, and basically shat on it.
I believe Mass Effect 3 could be great, if they just hire a better writer, but unfortunately he has all the rights.

 

[I Max95]

in a RPG i'm expecting me (I,Ego,thyself) to be the main protagonist and no-one else otherwise this would contradict the meaning of "role-playing"

In an RPG you are expecting to play yourself because that is "roleplay"?
*facepalm* You might want to think about what you just said, and everything that is wrong with it.

Spoiler: Hints in case you're stuck

Psst! Actors roleplay. Actors don't play themselves. They play a role, a character, usually one that is written by someone else in a script. But definitely not themsleves...

[sub]I couldn't bite my tongue anymore. This post just took the cake[/sub]

and by your definition every single game out their is an RPG

role playing means so diferent a thing in games than in real life

When did I define what an RPG was?

All I did was to contradict the false statement that was made by Mad. Roleplay by definition, is not playing yourself. Roleplay is acting out a role, much like an actor does. Whether that role is improv or scripted matters not, it is still roleplay.

Now look at the statement I put in bold. Notice that the Bioware employee's comment does not agree with this statement, thus rendering any agreement you might have with said statement, null and void. Thanks for undoing your own argument...

Aside from that, I'm not going to be dragged into this shit again. Expect no more responses unless one is absolutely necessary.

i dont expect you to respond only to read

you just admitted that both scripted and improv games make you role play
can you think of a game that isnt like those two
so your saying every single games where you play as some person that does stuff in a story is roleplaying
your points are too general
in a game role playing means that you take on a role you choose
i cant think of a single RPG ouside of Japan where that doesnt happen
so what makes JRPGs RPGs
nothing
im willing to accept that what japan calls an rpg is diferent from what western people do but citicaly speaking FF is not an RPG
and for the last time that shouldnt make it any less good a game

 

[Subzerowings]

did anyone on this thread say that non rpgs were shite
if so their wrong
the diference is simple
in rpgs you feel like you ARE the character
in non rpgs you are simply controlling the character
niether one is worse than the other
you dont have to create a character to feel like you are them
in an fps you can feel like you are the main character and in that regard some FPSs have rpg elements


P.S. calm down

I believe you misunderstood most of what I meant.
Any game is an rpg if the creators of the game say it is.
BioWare might say that FF XIII isn't an rpg, but they're wrong because Square Enix says it is.
That's why this thread shouldn't have been so long.
I'll also tell you why it's an insult not to call FF XIII an rpg.
Square Enix has been around longer than BioWare.
They helped establish the games-industry and deserve to be treated with respect.
It's arrogant for BioWare to call Square Enix wrong without even giving valid arguments.
I think of it like a 5 year-old kid saying that Halo was a greater addition to human culture than Citizen Kane.

 

[CmdrGoob]

did anyone on this thread say that non rpgs were shite
if so their wrong
the diference is simple
in rpgs you feel like you ARE the character
in non rpgs you are simply controlling the character
niether one is worse than the other
you dont have to create a character to feel like you are them
in an fps you can feel like you are the main character and in that regard some FPSs have rpg elements


P.S. calm down

I believe you misunderstood most of what I meant.
Any game is an rpg if the creators of the game say it is.
BioWare might say that FF XIII isn't an rpg, but they're wrong because Square Enix says it is.
That's why this thread shouldn't have been so long.
I'll also tell you why it's an insult not to call FF XIII an rpg.
Square Enix has been around longer than BioWare.
They helped establish the games-industry and deserve to be treated with respect.
It's arrogant for BioWare to call Square Enix wrong without even giving valid arguments.
I think of it like a 5 year-old kid saying that Halo was a greater addition to human culture than Citizen Kane.

*Ahem*

You know who else doesn't think FF13 is really a true RPG?

FF13 producers Kitase and Toriyama [http://www.gamegrep.com/previews/30446-final_fantasy_xiii_not_an_rpg_says_producer_new_1up_exclusive_screens/]

"We didn't really intend to work within with the RPG template," he (Kitase) says. "We wanted to create a new game, even a new genre."

"Because players are presented with multiple different situations on the field, in a lot of senses FFXIII is more like an FPS than an RPG," says director Motomu Toriyama.


So if you're flaming Bioware for saying the same thing, I guess the jokes on you.

 

[gerrymander61]

Nah man, FF7 qualifies as an RPG for me because I'm so badass that I can readily identify with Cloud. Y'all are just wimps

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

If dragon age didnt have the dailog tree....neither would it be a RPG....oh hell and you know ME2 is no damn RPG.....

 

[Rakkana]

Your right...

Cant believe i never noticed this. My idea of reality has now been changed.

 

[Subzerowings]

*Ahem*

You know who else doesn't think FF13 is really a true RPG?

FF13 producers Kitase and Toriyama [http://www.gamegrep.com/previews/30446-final_fantasy_xiii_not_an_rpg_says_producer_new_1up_exclusive_screens/]

"We didn't really intend to work within with the RPG template," he (Kitase) says. "We wanted to create a new game, even a new genre."

"Because players are presented with multiple different situations on the field, in a lot of senses FFXIII is more like an FPS than an RPG," says director Motomu Toriyama.


So if you're flaming Bioware for saying the same thing, I guess the jokes on you.

You would be right if I used the words "true rpg".
I don't care if they're trying to take it into a new direction to target a bigger audience, because like they say in the article: "in a lot of senses FFXIII is more like an FPS than an RPG", which means it's still an rpg.
They just say that it's more like an fps in some ways.

 

[grayjo]

Ummm... I didn't hear the Bioware guy claim Mass Effect was a straight up RPG... everything I've seen of Mass Effect calls it an Action-RPG.

Final Fantasy 13 on the other hand, claims to be a RPG.

I hate genres to be honest, trying to put games in boxes when we mostly got bored of the boxes a long time ago. Now games try to go in as many boxes as possible without compromising quality with varying degrees of success.

We need to redefine the genres or eliminate them entirely.