In any case, in my opinion its silly to target the writer for any dislike about content put into a game. In the end, its not the writers decision what she writes gets added.
BioWare Supports Beleaguered Writer
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No argument about that... I think it's kind of nonsensical to even debate that point. I think I even said something to that effect. Let me check...Andy Chalk said:
Yeah, right there. I think it's still relevant to the topic though, as that's what caused it. Of course, knee jerk reactions based on not reading all the facts are a waste of every ones time, and can lead to the problem we're talking about.beniki said:
I just thought it was odd that she was in that position in the first place. Seems kind of weird she would write for a medium she doesn't enjoy.
I'd like to end on another flippant remark about one of the fabricated posts made about her, but I'm afraid that I'm no longer in the mood.
I'm sure it's already been stated numerous times, but the only cancer killing Bioware are these "fans".
They whine when the company wants to change things up, they whine when the company doesn't change things up, and they're using her as a scapegoat.
Grow the F up, people. This whole things disgusts me.
They whine when the company wants to change things up, they whine when the company doesn't change things up, and they're using her as a scapegoat.
Grow the F up, people. This whole things disgusts me.
People that take video games seriously are video gamers. People want other people's acceptance that this is a valid form of entertainment and that they won't go on school shootings. This will perhaps only happen when the people that do try and connect video games with shootings die or find another form new tech to complain about. Video games aren't the real issue at all, people not having to filter their vile comments because there is no real backlash is the real issue here.Volothos said:
Because you know, you didn't start the Ad Hominim attacks with the "what's your job here" post or anything, or your blatant disregard for counter arguments, or your total lack of support evidence other that "I think I read it somewhere". All that was fine I guess,cause yousaid it and that makes it okay.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
The whole reason for this shitstorm is DA2's fake critical reception. People were assured they were getting a 10/10 game, but instead got something that was disappointing at best if they liked DA:O, and a goddamn insult if they ever played RPGs before 2007.
Exactly the same thing happened with SW:TOR. It was obvious from the start it would be another short-lasting mediocrity like WAR, yet it was hailed as the MMO revolution to change MMOs forever because of the EA stamp on it. People looked for an explanation, weren't given one, so they found a scapegoat.
Yes, this event is unfortunate and disgraceful, but it's only a symptom of a dysfunctional and detatched gaming media that keeps testing its audience's patience.
I hope the ad revenue, press packages and invitations are worth it.
Exactly the same thing happened with SW:TOR. It was obvious from the start it would be another short-lasting mediocrity like WAR, yet it was hailed as the MMO revolution to change MMOs forever because of the EA stamp on it. People looked for an explanation, weren't given one, so they found a scapegoat.
Yes, this event is unfortunate and disgraceful, but it's only a symptom of a dysfunctional and detatched gaming media that keeps testing its audience's patience.
I hope the ad revenue, press packages and invitations are worth it.
What in the fuck is wrong with you, Internet?
The internet is like the bi-polar co-worker we're required to get along with because (s)he's the boss' kid and we don't want to get fired. You do one little thing wrong that in any way conflicts with their ever-changing mood and judgement day is brought down upon thee.
The internet is like the bi-polar co-worker we're required to get along with because (s)he's the boss' kid and we don't want to get fired. You do one little thing wrong that in any way conflicts with their ever-changing mood and judgement day is brought down upon thee.
I call BS on the whole jennifer helper "games should have a fast forward button" being something that only just exploded in interest the last 2 week, I've been seeing that image+ helper being denounced as one of the signs that bioware is slipping for....Well since Dragon age 2 came out.
Guess bioware only just caught on the hate that was brewing with the jennifer twitter. Nothing they can do besides let the storm blow over and hope the growing anti bioware crusade loses focus and steam.
Edit: Helper didn't exactly help by saying things like "I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either." though.
That's just the exact kinda crap people would expect her to say based on the popular (negative)image of her. Not to mention rather insulting as I know for a fact the anti helper mob isn't 100% male inclusive.
Guess bioware only just caught on the hate that was brewing with the jennifer twitter. Nothing they can do besides let the storm blow over and hope the growing anti bioware crusade loses focus and steam.
Edit: Helper didn't exactly help by saying things like "I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either." though.
That's just the exact kinda crap people would expect her to say based on the popular (negative)image of her. Not to mention rather insulting as I know for a fact the anti helper mob isn't 100% male inclusive.
How does one even think about generalizing a medium that combines people across the globe? What the hell?TitanAura said:
No, it's definitely not debatable, but a surprising and disappointing number of people have offered "yes, but..." responses, as though there's some possible bit of justification for hurling a concentrated stream of abuse at someone because they hold a different opinion about videogames. This is really a very black-and-white situation: it's wrong, it's inexcusable and for anyone who wants to see videogames taken seriously as a mature medium, it's embarrassing.beniki said:
Yep. That is pretty much a pixel-perfect recap. Sad, but very true.Andy Chalk said:
If gamers want gaming to be considered art so bad, why couldn't they have just written a collectively-signed email to Hepler, saying "We disapprove of what you say, but we will defend to the death your right to say it." or something similar?
But hey, as long as we all want to be viewed as immature dillweeds, why not go around shouting "I disapprove of what you say, and now I will act like a 5 yr old & slander and defame you in public with paper-thin justifications!"
I mean, yeah. The way people insulted her, rather than actually criticizing her, is what makes this bad. People on the internet will overreact, and it does not reflect on everyone who has games or even everyone that has a distaste for Hepler. I think Anders and the other characters she has written are generally duller than the other characters in DA:O and DA2. I will say that Varric was well written, but I don't think she wrote him based on what I've read. The writing in ME was better than in DA:O (and that's like, my opinion man) and if I'm pressed to find a good example of well written dialogue in video games my first stop is the ME series.
But she should have had the sense not to say something like she wants to skip gameplay in... video games. Sure, hold whatever opinion you like, but anyone with some sense would know that would be a pretty controversial opinion to hold. There's no reason she needed to say it. It's all well and good that she's a writer and is primarily interested in the narrative elements of Bioware's games, but if she wants a medium where people can enjoy her writing without the need to play the game she should write a book or direct a movie, pure and simple. The cynical portion of me says she would like to strip out what makes a game unique to give greater access to her writing rather than writing a book/movie because the standards for writing in video games are generally lower than they are in a medium that is solely devoted to story telling.
I mean, it's one thing to not consume what you produce because you don't actually like games. No one cares about that I suspect. It's just how arrogant such a statement comes across to me. Games are games because they have game elements? To hell with that, I'm trying to tell a story here and will gladly try to break the medium rather than find one that is more appropriate to accommodate my needs. It's the equivalent of an American going in to a foreign film about a heavy social/philosophical issue and saying it wasn't bad, but it'd be better if they spoke English, Mark Wahlberg was the lead and there were more explosions. At that point, I should probably just find a different movie to watch.
But she should have had the sense not to say something like she wants to skip gameplay in... video games. Sure, hold whatever opinion you like, but anyone with some sense would know that would be a pretty controversial opinion to hold. There's no reason she needed to say it. It's all well and good that she's a writer and is primarily interested in the narrative elements of Bioware's games, but if she wants a medium where people can enjoy her writing without the need to play the game she should write a book or direct a movie, pure and simple. The cynical portion of me says she would like to strip out what makes a game unique to give greater access to her writing rather than writing a book/movie because the standards for writing in video games are generally lower than they are in a medium that is solely devoted to story telling.
I mean, it's one thing to not consume what you produce because you don't actually like games. No one cares about that I suspect. It's just how arrogant such a statement comes across to me. Games are games because they have game elements? To hell with that, I'm trying to tell a story here and will gladly try to break the medium rather than find one that is more appropriate to accommodate my needs. It's the equivalent of an American going in to a foreign film about a heavy social/philosophical issue and saying it wasn't bad, but it'd be better if they spoke English, Mark Wahlberg was the lead and there were more explosions. At that point, I should probably just find a different movie to watch.
Oh but they DO have something to do with each other. It shows your post characteristics, and is all very telling, and ties in with his assessment of your character, resulting in the aforementioned "stop posting" comment.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Also, telling a person "I don;t know why you work here" is a personal attack, you are not critiquing his work, you are just saying he sucks, albeit thinly veiled. You then go on to say he has bias, which is silly really, bias in an opinion section. And if all news was written with "just the facts", all you would need is the headline and 1-2 more sentences. Bor-ring. no one would read it. Furthermore, you may disagree with his opinion or assessment of the situation, but criticizing him as a writer overall is pretty baseless. At least it looks that way because you have zero supporting arguments. Hell even your disagreement with his opinion is completely without any back up evidence. Others in this thread have pointed out her work with DA2 anders etc etc, but you have literally nothing supporting you, and are provably factually wrong. But when shown evidence your response is "I don't really care". You are contributing nothing to this discussion except flames. Baseless opinions, refusal to change your mind, ad hominim attacks. All these combined make Andy's comment extremely justified.
Bias is so often misused on the internet. Bias Means the initial judgement was corrupted or altered in some way other than the facts. It does NOT mean you picked a side. Picking a side is fine. If a study shows that say.... there is no reason to not have gay marriage, provably, (just an example) and after reading I say I support gay marriage, that doesn't make me biased towards gay marriage, it just makes me a sensible person. You need a WAY stronger case to claim bias, especially on a story like this, where the facts are laid out, and he gives his opinion.