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The_root_of_all_evil said:
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b) This is an EA press stunt. (Tell me that you can't completely ignore that chance)
I doubt it. I really, really doubt it.
... What you're suggesting would just be plain malevolent.
But you're not saying no, are you?



I think that says it all.
You could also say the whole metal of honor Talaban thing too, theres no way a week or so before release they could change everything from Talaban to "opposition forces" or whatever it was.
 

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I heard about her new book, how piss poor it is, plus she wrote some really bad parts of DA:O and I just have to say this, the fact that they are adding male homosexuality in the last installment of Shepard's story seems very off if you ask me.

All the same, saw the title of this article, had to grab this.

What parts? She wrote most of the Dwarven stuff, which was all fantastic, IMO.

Not to mention, as so many people like to disregard, she has NOTHING to do with Mass Effect.
never said she did.
Ok, fair enough. Mind answering my other question?
and that was?
... Seriously? Read my post. "What parts?" As in, what parts of Dragon Age: Origins did she write that were terrible?
 

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ZeroMachine said:
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ZeroMachine said:
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I heard about her new book, how piss poor it is, plus she wrote some really bad parts of DA:O and I just have to say this, the fact that they are adding male homosexuality in the last installment of Shepard's story seems very off if you ask me.

All the same, saw the title of this article, had to grab this.

What parts? She wrote most of the Dwarven stuff, which was all fantastic, IMO.

Not to mention, as so many people like to disregard, she has NOTHING to do with Mass Effect.
never said she did.
Ok, fair enough. Mind answering my other question?
and that was?
... Seriously? Read my post. "What parts?" As in, what parts of Dragon Age: Origins did she write that were terrible?
I was being lazy, and The anvil, i did not feel that was good, It just felt long and dragged out.
 

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I heard about her new book, how piss poor it is, plus she wrote some really bad parts of DA:O and I just have to say this, the fact that they are adding male homosexuality in the last installment of Shepard's story seems very off if you ask me.

All the same, saw the title of this article, had to grab this.

Wow, there were so many things wrong with that sentence. A series that started off by advertising lesbian sex and it's a bad move that they appeal to women who like guy on guy action...the Hell?

OT: The guy is getting flamed like Hell...I don't really feel sorry for him.
do you people even read? I said MALE.
Did you read my post? I flat out stated that ME started by advertising lesbian sex, and now they're appealing to women by adding guy on guy action. (Yes girls like that, it's what girl on girl is to us)

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YaoiFangirl

Check the real life folder.

So what are you trying to say? Girl on girl is fine in ME but guy on guy is going too far? Word that in a way that actually makes sense please.
What im saying is that has been in there sense game one, and im fine with that, but Male Shepard has had no homosexual options for the first two games, it feels shoehorned in.
Really? Funny, I seem to recall that romancing Tali with a Femshep was impossible in the second game but now is possible in the first game. So is that shoehorned in? And can you remind me why adding things to a game is bad? Do you just want something to stay the same forever? Also it was aliens only, which was cheating.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DiscountLesbians

By the way, you do know that it was originally going to be possible to romance Kaiden and Ashley in the first game right?
Ok, lets start this off by saying Tali is only able to be romanced with Male Shepard, 2, Now that im thinking about it, Is it a homosexual relationship with an alien of an asexual race? and 3, it did not make it in, so its non canon.
Yes, in the second game, in the third game it has been confirmed that a Femshep can woo her. Also, it means that they wanted it to be a part of the original game, of course they would work it in when they got the chance. Also what's the big deal? This is one of those things that you have to hunt for, they're not shoving it down your throat. You don't like it? Well...it wasn't for you.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
This is not a press stunt by EA.
Have you ever heard of or visited a place called /v/?

Right now they are gloating at success if you catch my meaning. As I said, I watched this happen.
 
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Knight Templar said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
This is not a press stunt by EA.
Have you ever heard of or visited a place called /v/?

Right now they are gloating at success if you catch my meaning. As I said, I watched this happen.
I'm aware of /v/. I'm just saying that it was feasible.

If she's an enemy of the Vidya though, that's quite weak by their standards. I'd expect them to go after Chris-chan or Jeff Gerstmann first.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Knight Templar said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
This is not a press stunt by EA.
Have you ever heard of or visited a place called /v/?

Right now they are gloating at success if you catch my meaning. As I said, I watched this happen.
I'm aware of /v/. I'm just saying that it was feasible.

If she's an enemy of the Vidya though, that's quite weak by their standards.
Well it's just one step up from the hate threads they constantly have running.

I'd expect them to go after Chris-chan or Jeff Gerstmann first.
I don't pay attention to that first fellow, last I heard they were celebrating him becoming a wizard, or something along those lines.
 

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As much as I don't consider the bullying of anyone on the internet a good thing, I wish Bioware could cut the crap a bit on the whole "same sex/relationship" storyline catering that should be waaay secondary in the development of a game, and focus more on their gameplay. As far as Ms. Hepler goes...well I do think that she worked on the DA2 franchise and some really sub par SW:TOR dialogue, so sadly could not really care less about her influence in bioware, as I'm hoping it's not too much.
 

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I must ask, since I'm not certain I understand the string of events clearly (though, probably, I just do not want to believe this of people): this woman is under attack from groups of people merely because she does not share their choice of hobby? Or did I miss out on something she said or did that might have provoked this pathetic spectacle?

(The fact that she is a writer at Bioware is less consequential than some might think. Bringing in non-gaming writers in game development is actually an old trend, and one that is often said to improve the quality of the writing. Personally, I find the fact that she writes for the love of writing rather than the love of gaming to be a good thing, and a possible indication of quality. A game writer that wrote solely for the love of gaming, without any passion for narration, written drama and textual work in general, is not one I'd trust to bring a good story to the gaming screen.)
Nope that is the whole story. Its is basically the Internet yelling "STOP NOT LIKING WHAT WE LIKE (insert appropriate derogatory insult). YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON SO STOP EXISTING."

Thats it. Some gamers needed a new target to hate on so they attacked her. This is because us gamers contain the biggest, self entitled whiners on the Internet. I don't know any other community that feels as self entitled as gamers, and it makes me sad to see this. It slowly kills my hope in humanity. To be honest there is no reason to hate her just because she doesn't like video games. I don't hate people because they don't like tomatoes and I do.
 

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I kinda want to remind some things:

Mrs Hepler is not really talented in her domain: she wrote the abysmal M.I.T.H (http://www.amazon.com/M-I-T-H-Operation-Jennifer-Brandes-Hepler/dp/1582405158/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1329868011&sr=1-5) which had a scenario who made Armaggedon look like Catcher in the Rye, and which only highlight was the two male characters having buttsex at one moment.

I think the general hate directed towards her is not only because of her statement of being dispationate towards her medium, but also because she's kinda hold as a key writer in the bioware team for some reason...and can't really write that good it seems.
 

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But what if she's not talented after all?
Maybe she's not, but that doesn't make it ok for people to call her slut, whore, pig, etc. People in this thread have found ways to comment on her work, and BioWare in general, without resorting to name calling, so clearly it's possible to express a negative opinion without being a bully.

I've not read her books, but I enjoyed DA just fine, for what it's worth.
 

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https://twitter.com/#!/LukeParr/status/171422782389891072 .....I hate people. ¬_¬

I haven't read her books but I liked DA: Origins story very much. She got so much shit for nothing, ugh...
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
You seem to have missed the part where she fanned the flames by retorting to her detractors. Honestly, this is a situation where I just hate everyone involved. Responding to torrents of bile with the phrase "I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either." is just asking for trouble.
I'm sorry but thats a hot retort
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
You seem to have missed the part where she fanned the flames by retorting to her detractors. Honestly, this is a situation where I just hate everyone involved. Responding to torrents of bile with the phrase "I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either." is just asking for trouble.
I'm sorry but thats a hot retort
Even if it is, she should have known that it would only make them more aggressive. When one person tries to use a mob's tactics against them, that one person is going to be creamed.
 

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Andronicus said:
Brad Shepard said:
ZeroMachine said:
Brad Shepard said:
I heard about her new book, how piss poor it is, plus she wrote some really bad parts of DA:O and I just have to say this, the fact that they are adding male homosexuality in the last installment of Shepard's story seems very off if you ask me.

All the same, saw the title of this article, had to grab this.

What parts? She wrote most of the Dwarven stuff, which was all fantastic, IMO.

Not to mention, as so many people like to disregard, she has NOTHING to do with Mass Effect.
never said she did.
This person is someone who posts on forums with content concerning their own opinions in current affairs. It is often theorised by social commentators that people who post forums with content concerning their own opinions in current affairs are moronic, homosexual twats.


See what I did there? It might look like I just called you a moronic, homosexual twat, but in actual fact, what I wrote were two completely unrelated sentences (the accuracy of the second notwithstanding). Still, because both sentences featured a similar "linking" theme (ie. people who post on forums with content regarding their own opinions in current affairs), there is an implication that I called you a moronic, homosexual twat.

For another example of this literary phenomenon, I shall draw your attention to the author's original statement. First of all, it is one single, long sentence, but can be split into two, which feature seemingly-related topics.

The first,
"I heard about her new book, how piss poor it is, plus she wrote some really bad parts of DA:O..."
draws attention initially to the author's opinions regarding [Hepler's] writing in EA games, specifically how "piss poor" it is. Notably, half of the author's opinion is based solely on word-of-mouth reviews of [Hepler's] new book, and thus doesn't even really represent his actual views. Not relevant for the purposes of this analysis, but interesting nonetheless.

The second,
"...and I just have to say this, the fact that they are adding male homosexuality in the last installment of Shepard's story seems very off if you ask me"
draws upon the similar theme of the writing in EA's games. Examined closely, it clearly shows no mention of [Hepler's] writing, or suggestion that she was part of the writing team for Mass Effect. However, seeing as it's relationship to the actual topic being discussed (ie. Hepler's writing] is cursory at best, one would question its relevance to the discussion at all. In truth, the answer is none: there is no relevance. However, coupled with the previous statement, regarding [Hepler's] writing, and further exemplified by the linking of the similar underlying theme, ie. writing in EA's games, there is no reason why the reader shouldn't come to the conclusion that the author is of the opinion that [Hepler] is responsible, at least in part, for a very specific aspect of Mass Effect 3's plot, which for unspecified reasons he feels are "off". Thus I have established the presence of an "implication" in the author's writing.

However, after having this implication drawn to his attention, he denies partaking in any such opinion, or so it would appear. Instead, he specifies that he "never said [Hepler had anything to do with Mass Effect 3]" which is, as I have demonstrated above, entirely accurate. Instead of denying that this is his opinion, clarifying his original statement, or showing any indication that he has given the matter more than the most cursory of deliberations, he simply brushes off the accusation with an accurate yet misleading comment.

The fact that the author didn't even attempt to separate the two original sentences throws further suspicion on his supposed obliviousness to the implication he was making. The use of implications in both writing prose and everyday conversation is universal and far-reaching, and thus I surmise that the author is suitably familiar with the concept, enough to know exactly what he is implying, and is therefore being purposefully obtuse and inflammatory, with the intention of "trolling", disguised as a (poor) attempt at simply appearing critical.

tl;dr: GTFO troll.
I have my own opinion, so i must be a troll, classy.
 

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Brad Shepard said:
Andronicus said:
Brad Shepard said:
ZeroMachine said:
Brad Shepard said:
I heard about her new book, how piss poor it is, plus she wrote some really bad parts of DA:O and I just have to say this, the fact that they are adding male homosexuality in the last installment of Shepard's story seems very off if you ask me.

All the same, saw the title of this article, had to grab this.

What parts? She wrote most of the Dwarven stuff, which was all fantastic, IMO.

Not to mention, as so many people like to disregard, she has NOTHING to do with Mass Effect.
never said she did.
This person is someone who posts on forums with content concerning their own opinions in current affairs. It is often theorised by social commentators that people who post forums with content concerning their own opinions in current affairs are moronic, homosexual twats.


See what I did there? It might look like I just called you a moronic, homosexual twat, but in actual fact, what I wrote were two completely unrelated sentences (the accuracy of the second notwithstanding). Still, because both sentences featured a similar "linking" theme (ie. people who post on forums with content regarding their own opinions in current affairs), there is an implication that I called you a moronic, homosexual twat.

For another example of this literary phenomenon, I shall draw your attention to the author's original statement. First of all, it is one single, long sentence, but can be split into two, which feature seemingly-related topics.

The first,
"I heard about her new book, how piss poor it is, plus she wrote some really bad parts of DA:O..."
draws attention initially to the author's opinions regarding [Hepler's] writing in EA games, specifically how "piss poor" it is. Notably, half of the author's opinion is based solely on word-of-mouth reviews of [Hepler's] new book, and thus doesn't even really represent his actual views. Not relevant for the purposes of this analysis, but interesting nonetheless.

The second,
"...and I just have to say this, the fact that they are adding male homosexuality in the last installment of Shepard's story seems very off if you ask me"
draws upon the similar theme of the writing in EA's games. Examined closely, it clearly shows no mention of [Hepler's] writing, or suggestion that she was part of the writing team for Mass Effect. However, seeing as it's relationship to the actual topic being discussed (ie. Hepler's writing] is cursory at best, one would question its relevance to the discussion at all. In truth, the answer is none: there is no relevance. However, coupled with the previous statement, regarding [Hepler's] writing, and further exemplified by the linking of the similar underlying theme, ie. writing in EA's games, there is no reason why the reader shouldn't come to the conclusion that the author is of the opinion that [Hepler] is responsible, at least in part, for a very specific aspect of Mass Effect 3's plot, which for unspecified reasons he feels are "off". Thus I have established the presence of an "implication" in the author's writing.

However, after having this implication drawn to his attention, he denies partaking in any such opinion, or so it would appear. Instead, he specifies that he "never said [Hepler had anything to do with Mass Effect 3]" which is, as I have demonstrated above, entirely accurate. Instead of denying that this is his opinion, clarifying his original statement, or showing any indication that he has given the matter more than the most cursory of deliberations, he simply brushes off the accusation with an accurate yet misleading comment.

The fact that the author didn't even attempt to separate the two original sentences throws further suspicion on his supposed obliviousness to the implication he was making. The use of implications in both writing prose and everyday conversation is universal and far-reaching, and thus I surmise that the author is suitably familiar with the concept, enough to know exactly what he is implying, and is therefore being purposefully obtuse and inflammatory, with the intention of "trolling", disguised as a (poor) attempt at simply appearing critical.

tl;dr: GTFO troll.
I have my own opinion, so i must be a troll, classy.
Whether you were trolling or not (I don't believe you were) you have to admit, that guy can analyze a sentence like a boss.

Oh, and re: what you didn't like about DA:O, fair enough. I disagree, but hey, opinions are opinions.